Nephilim17

Von wearing the Josh shirt is a good show of support.

Exactly. Palmer saying this a) diminishes Josh's abilities (the greatness could only be harnessed by one man who isn't Josh and b) makes Palmer's influence seem insignificant. Josh IS responsible for his poor play week 1 and league-leading turnover over long stretches of time and needs to be held accountable. But Palmer should be more careful when discussing his clients in public.

Wow, respect for Irvin... Never would have anticipated that. Maybe he's right, at least about Diggs doing that. There's a time and a place to tell your QB he's being dumb. Then again, losing your season opener maybe waiting to get to the dressing room is too late. But I respect Irvin for what he said.

Good line. I'll have to remember that. And I agree with much if not all of what you said. Not sure about the "third world" conjecture but I get your broader point.

Have not read through the thread so sorry if I'm repeating what many have said... I would have been OK with losing. But it's how and why we lost that makes me so upset. Our elite QB has not been elite for a long stretch now and says the right things but does consistently does the wrong ones. I hope it/he can turn around.

Yikes. Really really bad quote from Terry there. I was hoping that quote was by someone else. It's not. It's Terry. If this is a legit quote, there will be hell to pay for this.

Reasonable logical conclusions need to be drawn on a dataset that has a large enough sample size. Josh has the most turnovers (and overall touchdowns) in the last five years or so, I heard in a video today. And Beast's thread on his TD/INT ratio since last year's KC game is a large sample of very recent evidence that Josh has been a turnover machine for a long stretch now. He played poorly against Miami and Cincy in the playoffs. And then, after all the talk and off-season resetting and "focus," he played a horrible game last night. The sample size is large and it absolutely recent. Is his elbow to blame? His O-line? His coaching? His head-space? I don't know. And I hope I'm wrong but until Josh starts to play at an elite level for a good stretch and including against elite teams, I think at the moment he is no longer an elite QB. An elite athlete, yes, but he has not shown elite game processing for a long time time. I hope I'm wrong and/or it turns around. I'm not super confident. 😕

Josh should have elected to take what the D gave him all game.

My crappy overreaction is we have a QB with a cannon for an arm, who is a terror running with the ball (until he fumbles it), but does not have elite field processing ability. I hope I'm wrong.

The D was good enough. This is on Josh. He didn't play anywhere near enough to be elite, a quarter-billion player or the star on the cover of Madden. He was less than average. He had a decent first half but a crap second half and a poor game. Don't blame the Bills D for this.

Sweet Baby Heyzeus!!!!

I'm doing a shot of vodka now... Who's with me? If the Bills can't get at least 3 with 1:51, we deserve to lose... But we can win.

Love the flip pass play to Murray!!!!

All the talking head idiots who say the Bills D has regressed with Von out/older and losing Edmunds never mention getting Floyd.

The irony tonight... Josh has looked efficient with the short game but horrible with the deep throws.

Looks like the O is gettin in a rhythm now... Short passes, use Cook, use th TEs...

That little swing pass to Kincaid was sweet! Love the dive for the first down!

Where are all the "sky is falling" people now?

The Roose is loose! (I used it earlier, wrongly, for the Floyd sack)

Good play by Bernard there... keep stacking them...

That wasn't very minimalist Zen-Budhist.

Great play, dumb-ass taunt

Kincaid! His first catch of his career?

This is why we took the 3 when we did.

Beats a punt actually, but bad for Josh's stats and possibly morale.