Einstein

Again, it has nothing to do with the player. You just don’t do deals with your enemy. Ever. By virtue of KC taking our deal, it is common sense that our deal was the best offer. If another team had a better offer, they would have taken that offer instead. So: 1) Don’t do business with your enemy. 2) Make them take a worse offer with another team.

Correct. Even if we had blocked properly, the only real option was going to be Kincaid. I mean, you can throw the orbit but he likely isn’t getting the first with the wall of Chiefs defenders there. Any time the opposing team knows your play, you’re screwed.

That was the same fourth down beater we have ran all year. The mesh concept with the TE going down the middle (actually in the first KC game it was Hollins running seam), and the orbit/swing (which cook ran most of the time). It was so predictable, that even if Allen had time, the only open option was going to be Kincaid. Spags stacked the first down line with linebackers, because he knew exactly what was coming. If Allen threw to any of the mash routes, then they would’ve been blown up. If he threw to the orbit, there were three linebackers at the first down marker to stop him in the first down. Play was doomed from the start because Spags knew what we were running. The pressure issues just accelerated the issue. and I still do not understand what Torrance was doing. Forget the sliding of pressure, you’re telling me that you don’t put a hand on either free rudher coming through your gap? my goodness. .

While Brady called the same plays we have been calling all year (especially on 4th down), Reid actually did have new plays in his bag that he broke out on us.

We are not KC’s arch nemesis. We are the team they bully.

Woh, woh. Calm down. I wasn’t throwing it in your face. I was genuinely asking if you see what I meant by my prediction. Like if you see where I waa coming from now.

Peyton went to 4 Super Bowls. PS, see what I meant about the Chiefs scoring a ton even though they hadn’t all year?

He was. And he would have been blown up by the 3 Chiefs defenders they had guarding the first down line. Spags knew exactly what play we were running. Likely because we ran the same play half a dozen times this year in similar situations. Knowing our play, he called the perfect defense to stop it. And Allen STILL beat that perfect defense by getting the ball to Kincaid… who dropped it.

There are no hots on that mesh scheme. It would literally ruin the entire play (which a pick) for one player to alter his route to be the hot. There is a built-in check down, but Allen had no way to throw it there and even if he did, it would have been blown up. It’s exactly how Brady drew it up. We have run that play numerous times this year.

Been screaming this since it happened. He ran that same tired 4th down beater that takes several seconds to develop on the most crucial down of the season. Yeah. At best (they had been dropping that defender back all game). The numbers were not to the right.

This is wrong. There were 3 rushers on the left and 3 on the right. One of the 3 on the right was a showing blitzer that had dropped back all game long. So in the offenses mind it was 3 on the left and 2 on the right. The numbers were on the left. Or if you include the showing blitzer, it was even. And the left side had a DE split out wideeee.

Doesn’t matter. It’s not about Worthy vs Coleman. I don’t even want Worthy. But you don’t trade with your arch nemesis. You don’t give them what they want. You don’t gift wrap the player they desire and hand it to them with a bow. You don’t deal with your enemies! The players are irrelevant.

Yeah, this has been talked about all day. Spags showed that look all game long and never blitzed from the right. The offense had no reason to believe he would. Had we slid right and and he didn’t blitz right (like he hadn’t all game), then the left side would have been open. But the real problem here is Torrence and Brown. Torrence let 2 rushers go past him without laying a finger on either one. Even if you guess wrong on a protection, if Torrence can block just ONE GUY, then Allen can evade the other. OP knows this but is on an anti-Allen crusade.

Been saying that. Not only was Allen in no position to throw the orbit, Shakir would likely have been crushed at the first down line. There were 3 Chief defenders guarding that line. Yes. If Torrence just blocks ONE of the free rushers, Josh can evade the other one. Torrence literally just watched as TWO rushers went right past him.

Respectfully disagree. You can run that play 100 times and we are going to slide protection left 100 times. Spags set us up. He showed us that same look all game long, and *never* sent anyone. He never put it on tape either, from what I have read. So we had zero reason to believe that he was going to do that. With no tape and no tendency indicators, I dont see how the offense would ever know to slide right in that situation. It was a great defensive call.

I'll take Allen over Mahomes any day. The Worthy trade on the other hand? Beyond dumb.

You see 45 year old uncles making that type of catch on the beach every weekend.

A lot of posters are okay with this as long as we win regular season games!

Earth to Buffalo_Stampede … guessing is all you can do. They don’t tell us what they’re going to run before the snap. You make the best educated guess you can. That’s what every team in NFL history does. The true problem on that play is that Torrence blocked NOBODY. If Torrence just blocked 1 person, Allen can evade the other free rusher. But he can’t evade two.

Spags is all time great coach. He will set you up all game seeing one thing JUST so he can send the opposite at the key moment. And he knew our plays inside and out, left, right, backwards and forward. Even the plays that worked, he had players in position who just didn’t make the play. Certainly doesn’t help that Brady was predictable. Running the same 4th down beater we have all year. I wish we sent more pressure, like Spags did. The few times we did, it worked. I can only think of one play where Mahomes got it off when we sent pressure.

this crap is so passive aggressive and annoying on both sides.

I’m starting to think that people either don’t have eyes, or have no idea what they’re actually watching. Allen was 68% with almost 300 yards and two touchdowns and zero turnovers after the first drive. he played great. Did he play like the best game of his entire career? No. But he played great. Both of his touchdowns were absolutely insane throws. The fourth down heave to Kincaid would go down as one of the greatest plays in playoff history, with a statue of Allen chucking that, if Kincaid could catch the freaking ball. I’m not even going to bother arguing with anyone who thinks they or did not have a great day. As far as I’m concerned, they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Torrence completely whiffed. He literally blocked NO ONE.

Typical PR move after a big mistake.

Yep