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here you go. or just go back to pretending that you're a jets fan on jetnation.

lol, thank you for the chuckle.

Purchased that home in a very different portion of my life and there are lots of special memories in that home that I'm not willing to let go.

Sorry if you didn't realize it, but the post you quoted was talking about Florida homes. It never occurred to me that you quoted a post about Florida homes but meant a home in NY. I've posted before that my WNY home is only $250k. It's nothing special.

Ohhh you're talking about my house in WNY... Yes, I posted decorations there. You responded to a post talking about Florida homes and said "didnt you post your home?" Bit confusing.

There would be quotes from other posters that I couldn't delete. It didn't exist. I apologize about making whatever I made up about you. I don't even remember what you're speaking of, but it's clearly hurting you, so I apologize regardless.

Hard to find a post that doesn't exist.

That's what I figured.

I don't know, I haven't done the research on that yet. But that wasn't your argument, so it's irrelevant. You said it costs less to produce a paper today than in 1990. Which isn't true. You're only changing your narrative to focus on inflation-adjusted now that you realize you were wrong. You said the inflated PRICE is right (the $28 they charge now compared to $12.50 back then), but that their COST is lower. Which is 100% wrong. Their production costs DID skyrocket. You are 100% wrong. You were trying to make the argument that - yes, they raised the price along with inflation, but theircosts are less now, so they shouldn't have to raise their price that much. You're not fooling anyone. But I honestly don't think you have the computational ability to understand this, so i'm going to let it go. You can have the last word. .

This is where you're moving the goal post to. At no point before today, did you EVER say that you want me to prove that the 2023 cost should exceed inflation. You said: "You really think it costs more to print a paper than in 1990?" and "you go about your business thinking it costs more money to print paper than 1990" - What a Tuel I said: "Due to inflation which has caused wages, ink, paper, etc all to climb." I mentioned inflation several times, as being the primary factor. The only mention of inflation you ever made was that the inflated PRICE (how much they are charging) is right, but you said the COST is less.

I have never posted my home. Feel free to link the post you're talking about. Of course by that point you'll realize it wasn't me.

No I never showed my home, that was someone else. But in general, Florida vacation homes you don't get a lot for what you pay. $3M will get you the equivalent of a $700k Orchard Park home.

YOU said this. Not someone else. YOU. "You really think it costs more to print a paper than in 1990? Give me a break.” - What a Tuel That's not a derivative. It's what you wrote. It was your argument (until you realized you are wrong, of course). And it was not out of context. Just a few posts after that, you doubled down on your statement and said: "you go about your business thinking it costs more money to print paper than 1990" - What a Tuel Yes, it costs more to print a paper now than it did in 1990. ------------------ Soaring newsprint prices worsen local journalism crisis Newsprint prices rose more than 30% over the last two years. A major factor is mills closing or converting production to packaging materials used by e-commerce companies such as Amazon. That’s leading to soaring costs for remaining newspapers that are generally hanging on by a thread. Combined with high fuel prices and delivery labor shortages, this will lead to further cutbacks in distribution, the size of newspapers and potentially newsroom employment. “Mills have been shutting down pretty much everywhere — it’s really a global situation that has been a bit worsened by the pandemic,” said Francois Chastanet, director of graphic papers at Numera Analytics, a Montreal research firm affiliated with the Pulp and Paper Products Council trade group. link ------------------- Newspapers keep eliminating print days ...supply-chain issues are driving supply costs through the roof. In an earnings call last month, the publisher and president of the Dallas Morning News, which still prints daily, said the company’s newsprint costs had soared to about $720 a metric ton... In most cases, media companies are simply reacting to rising costs and a decline of print readers, said industry analyst Doug Arthur. In Gannett’s case, eliminating Saturday newspapers “likely removes the least profitable, smallest ad paper of the week.” Amalie Nash, Gannett’s senior vice president of local news, said there are “particular pressures” on print publications, including significant print costs, inflation and a shortage of drivers that has left 1 in 10 delivery routes unstaffed. link ------------------- Why paper has become a huge headache for publishers Before 2022, Jardin and the BPIF say, raw paper costs were what drove price increases for printers (newspapers). Those pressures persist: but now they’re joined by the same heaving energy prices to which every other industry and individual is subject. Some 68% of newspaper companies surveyed by BPIF in July put rising energy costs as a top business concern, and 65% the rising price of paper. Numerous printers are operating at full capacity to meet demand, but that capacity itself is constrained by a shortage of labour and supply chain issues. Every stage of the paper-production process - hauling felled trees, crushing them into splinters or zipping the resulting paper through room-sized printing machines - uses a lot of energy. link -------------------- All the news that’s eye-wateringly expensive to print Worries about the cost and supply of newsprint are not a new challenge for publishers. In 2018, as I reported for CJR at the time, the administration levied a range of tariffs on newsprint arriving from Canada... the Sydney Morning Herald reported on fears that independent papers in Australia could be forced out of business by impending steep price hikes at a key newsprint mill in that country—hikes, the Herald reported, driven by “electricity prices, the high cost of freight shipping, and reduced newsprint demand rather than an attempt to generate large profits.” Claudia Smukler, the production director of Mother Jones, wrote recently that procuring enough of the graphic paper needed to print that magazine—while always “a complex story of sourcing, sustainability, and logistics”—has been more challenging than ever in the past eighteen months, with supply constricted, prices soaring, and print deadlines nearly missed. -------------------- Paper crisis could put news titles out of business Paper is expensive because of the amount of energy needed to produce it. Publishing companies are competing against packaging and toilet paper companies for limited fibre resources globally, which are driving up costs. Failure of Norske Skog to secure the price increases will result in the closure of the Tasmanian mill, which would cause major problems for the local publishing industry. The company told publishers last year it planned to increase the price of newsprint by about 30 per cent and the cost of glossy paper – used for real-estate pullouts and suburban titles – by between 35 and 45 per cent. The decision was related to electricity prices, high cost of freight shipping and reduced newsprint demand rather than an attempt to generate large profits. You're just moving the goal posts again. You never said anything about outpacing inflation. You simply said it cost more to produce the newspaper in 1990. Which isnt true. And I said multiple times, "Due to inflation" costs have gone up. You kept arguing. You're wrong. .

What part of Florida? Your companies former CEO and I may be neighbors. I have a vacation home near the water in St Pete. As far as humble goes, sure, there are all types. But that is the rare exception. I speak at conferences, have consulted, and am now the Presidoent of a company. The vast majority of executives are dreadfully arrogant. Far worse than I.

Hutch's, Bachus, Nosh and Good Luck (if you're in Rochester).

lol, thank you. I quite enjoyed this post.

Yes, your post is a perfect example of intellectual inferiority complex.

They actually have increased. A lot. Plastics being one exception since they can make resin from ethane feedstock.

Yeah it's common for individuals with lesser intelligence to believe that those with greater intelligence are not believable. Dunning-kruger and Inverse snobbery. Tell us that you have never met any global CEO's without telling us. .

You seem to have conveniently forgotten how this discussion started. You said: ”Oh come on man. You really think it costs more to print a paper than in 1990? Give me a break.” - What a Tuel To which I responded, of course it costs more! Inflation has pushed prices higher. Ink costs more, paper costs more, vehicles cost more, salaries cost more. Once you eventually realized that it does in fact cost more now, you switched to an efficiency argument. The entire basis of this entire argument is that it costs more now to print the paper than it did in 1990. Your computing advances argument is the same as your employee argument. The advance of computer power has simply reduced salaries, which I already showed you *still* doesn’t outpace inflation. There is no other way around it - it costs more to print and deliver the paper now than it did in 1990. .

No one said they are not more efficient now. What was said is that is still costs more. You're changing your argument from "it costs less now" to "well i guess it does cosst more but it would have been even worse if they didnt become more efficient". Well, duh. .

You not understanding inflation has truly opened my eyes. Our public school system is a disaster.

Maybe this will help @What a Tuelunderstand. Pretend you have a company that has $1,000,000 of expenses per year and 500,000 of that is salaries. Automation comes along, making 90% of your ENTIRE workforce obsolete. What is 90% of 500,000? $450,000 You just laid off 90% of your employees and saved 450k. Now your expenses are down to $550,000. Then inflation comes along and everything costs 2.4x more. What is $550,000 x 2.4? It’s $1,320,000. You're now paying $1,320,000. So you reduced your workforce by 90%, but still pay more… Are you starting to understand how inflation makes things cost more?

Yes, consider who is agreeing with you @oldmanfan. This poster, who agrees with you, can not grasp how inflation over the past 23 years has made the cost to print newspapers higher now (due to inflation of ink, salaries, paper, delivery vehicles, etc) now than in 1990. Think about that and the brainiacs that agree with you. May be enough to make you realize some things.