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Yep. And it’s stupid. The voters have changed the meaning of Most Valuable Player.

3-2. Playoff losses don’t count in MVP voting. Unless you’re playing the semantics game where you don’t count the Denver game because Lamar played the first 4 snaps before Huntley played the final 62 snaps.

Words mean something. And it meant Most Valuable for 60 years of NFL history, before the talking heads took over voting. Before the last 10 years, it truly was a value award. Favre won it 3 times with 18+ turnovers and once with 21 turnovers, because he was the simm most VALUABLE. Not most consistent. Esiason won it with 18 turnovers. Montana won it with 18 turnovers. Again, it used to be most valuable. Now it’s most consistent - apparently. Which is not the same thing. 3-2 last season. Not 2-3.

But is it the Most Consistent Award or Most Valuable? It’s valuable - so why do we keep changing what words mean? Thats more a question for the voters than you. No player is more valuable to their team than Allen. None. Mahomes left the AFFCCG last year with an injury and his backup led a 99 yard TD drive the very next drive. And Tyler Huntley won 3 of the 5 games he played for the Ravens last year when Lamar was faking his injury. And Jake Browning went on a tear with the Burrow-less Browns. The Bills would implode without Allen.

More than that, right? I think something like 4 or 5 of the winners from 2008 to 2020 were not the 1 seed if I recall correctly.

Brett Favre also won it 3 years in a row with 21 turnovers, 19 turnovers, and 22 turnovers. Every one of those years, he had less TD’s than Allen had this year. And while winning only 11 games one of those years.

Montana won it with 20 turnovers too. Back when it wasn’t just a list of talking heads. I am downright shocked at the voting list now. It’s not just a few garbage names now - half the list is questionable.

Boomer Esiason won it with 19 turnovers. But he had 1 whole extra win (12 instead of 11).

I am shocked at this list. I too thought it was old school beat guys. This is a list of talking heads. The types we throw into the talking heads thread because they’re practically useless in analysis.

There was, but you’re incapable of admitting it, so we all moved on. Its like trying to convince the mother-in-law she puts too much celery in the macaroni salad. It’s a losing battle.

Which one. The original, or the one you changed to “pretty good” stats? Actually nevermind. I’m going to bed.

The point was that you know the ins and outs of the Bills games because you watched them. If you watch every NFL game you begin to see that even the blowouts, many of them are closer than the score appears. You don’t see them all, so you don’t see the flaws that the victor had in the game. But you intimately remember the Bills flaws in their TD+ victories, because you watched them all. So Lamar certainly didn’t win because of his record against playoff teams (Allen had a better record). And I don’t know how it could be about his margin of victory, because Allen had a 13 point MOV against playoff teams (even though you want to discredit some). And it can’t be about TD’s - because Allen had more of those. And they both won 6 of their last 7 games. But Lamar did have the #1 seed. So there is that. Congratulations Lamar - you had less TD’s and a worse record against playoff teams … but you got the #1 seed, so here’s your MVP. Hip hip hooray. Im going to bed.

No, earlier you said “great” stats. You’ve downgraded that to “pretty good” - right move - because Lamar’s stats certainly weren’t great. Tannehill in 2021 was on the Titans #1 seeded team had a 106 passer rating with 3700 yards and 28 TD’s. Again, zero MVP votes. In fact, Lamar’s stats may be the worst for an MVP winner in a decade or more.

That’s closer to accurate. “Pretty good” Definitely not great. So the path to MVP is have “pretty good” stats and be on the #1 seeded team.

It’s almost like games are more than the scores, huh? You point out the Bills needing a punt return TD against Miami but don’t mention how Baltimore blew out Cleveland the first game because Dorian Thompson-Robinson (a 3rd stringer) was their starting QB.

You missed the point. I was pointing out that Lamar’s stats weren’t great. They were Jared Goff 2022 level.

Not sure what you didn’t understand. The Bills had 5 wins against playoff teams. 4 of those came by a TD or more.

To put what you’re calling a great year into perspective, in 2022 a player had nearly identical stats to Lamar’s 2023 campaign. 99 passer rating, 31 TD, 7 INT’s. His name was Jared Goff and he didn’t receive even a single MVP vote. Not even a second or third plate vote.

4 of the Bills 5 wins against playoff teams were by a TD or more. Hardly an eeking, and I think i’m one of the last posters anyone on this forum would label a homer.

I guess that’s what it comes down to now. QB of the 1 seed… MVP. Which (checks notes), would make Tannehill the MVP a couple years ago.

Well it certainly wasn’t because of his record against playoff teams (Allen had a better record). And I don’t know how it could be about his margin of victory, because Allen had a 13 point MOV against playoff teams. And it can’t be about TD’s - because Allen had more of those. And they both won 6 of their last 7 games.

Allen’s 5-1 record against playoff teams came with average margin of victory of 13 points. There is no way around it. Lamar was no more the MVP than Allen.

Diggs answer in todays interview was significantly better. Perhaps someone talked to him and coached him on what to say.

Allen was 5-1 against playoff teams. Lamar was 6-3.

Narratives swing SO easily. - If he wins on Sunday, the "GOAT" talk will spring up. - But if he loses, that means he will have as lost as many Super Bowls as he has won and the GOAT talk will be down to it's embers. Just FYI for everyone, Mahomes stats in the Super Bowl is 5 TD's, 4 INT's and 3 Fumbles. At the same age, Brady's stats in the Super Bowl was 6 TD's, 1 INT, 1 Fumble.