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Look at the HoF finalists and who is up next year. NE already has Ty Law in the Hall, finalists were McGinnest, Harrison, Seymour, and Wilfork is eligible next year. That's 5 probable HoF'rs from their first 3 SBs and 07 Defense. Then there's Vinatieri in there somewhere too who is likely a 1st ballot HoF'r. Yes Brady was there for 20 years, but not alone and its not like their offense will only play with 10 now. Their defense is likely a top 5 defense this season, it was only season before last they were number 1. So yeah, Brady is gone but they're still dangerous, restocked and reloaded. Our future is extremely bright because of JA17, but I see too many people walking around with the impression that with Brady gone it's "our turn" to run the division for a decade or better. Nothing is guaranteed and don't expect the media to crown the Bills as a dynasty tomorrow. Exactly

No, the reaction is generally along the lines of laughing at taking pride in something not even worthy of note to anyone outside of our region. They might as well smirk and pat you on the head rather than say anything. Go to Metlife Stadium, try an experiment. Anyway....pointless digression.

Curious why Rodney Harrison is not on the list. Dirty player reputation keeping him off? By performance stats he should be number 1.

No, not really... Was just sharing an observation. Assume what you will.

All arguments aside, the fact remains it looks and sounds different to anyone outside WNY and doesn't reflect well. I've seen the reaction many times.

They are the NY Giants and Jets, as in representing the city and not the state, no? Seems their stadium is right in the middle of the NYC metro area. Go figure https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=ajOOypNa&id=3B8C2EBBCFB44712036E211E23634A62F1D35DF4&thid=OIP.ajOOypNaOIfZoq9cqtxC-gHaFL&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fstatic.vecteezy.com%2fsystem%2fresources%2fpreviews%2f000%2f162%2f877%2foriginal%2fgreater-new-york-city-map-vector.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.6a338eca935a3887d9a2af5caadc42fa%3frik%3d9F3T8WJKYyMeIQ%26pid%3dImgRaw%26r%3d0&exph=980&expw=1400&q=New+York+City+Metro+Area+Map&simid=607994071604857208&FORM=IRPRST&ck=307620E2B0780E122B4D0164FF5388EE&selectedIndex=28&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0 I cringe when I hear my fellow Bills fans say that age old remark that just makes us look like Gomers.... Travel more.

I know we all say that the Bills are the only team in NY State, but in reality the Giants and Jets play next to their City's skyline, we don't. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-p_KZqj2YVSM/UrrvDrJ7hCI/AAAAAAAAUt4/vwOuBwVjhIM/s1600/metlife_gallery.jpg

Thats pretty much what I came away with from all the different sources on the net. I think in game one last year they put JC Jackson on Diggs with Safety help, Gilmore covered someone else. I could see them doing that again and now they have a much better front seven to contend with. According to Youtube videos from NE's camp, Newton is healthy and looking much better than last year. I'll believe that when he can do it week in week out in the regular season. So... pending that doubtful reality coming to pass, 🙄 on "improvement". Everything I found on the net more or less corroborates the idea that they are better or at least equal at every position group outside QB and WR, its in the links I posted. Does that make it true? Dunno... The regular season will tell us the truth, I just think its notable and worth looking at. Bottom line here is that the OP is true "NE QB's suck", because if they had Brady with their current roster we'd likely be underdogs this year. He's long gone and we win a tough division this year, which I find much more interesting and more satisfying personally. Makes us a tougher team in the playoffs.

Its really odd how during the entire Marino era in Miami they were never able to run or stop the run.

I see, you want to play one upper with dumb statements. You win. 😂 (This is where I apply the never argue with an idiot advice)

No idea how you could pull delusional out of that post. Its probably beyond explanation....

Pretty much every "2021 NFL O-line rankings" hit I got in a google search has them in the top 10, which we are not. Top three hits. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-line-units-entering-2021-season https://thehuddle.com/2021/06/25/2021-offensive-line-rankings/ https://www.profootballnetwork.com/best-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-ranked/3/ This site has them at #2 https://theanalyst.com/na/2021/06/which-2021-nfl-teams-will-have-the-best-and-worst-offensive-lines/ I did the same type of search for the other position groups, which is where I came up with what I stated previously. As a Bills fan, I feel you have to look for outside opinions to balance out the internal bias.

Its not my personal opinion per se, its what I found at most sites around the web. Their O-line is rated at least 10 spots ahead of ours. Their RB group is rated higher also. As far as defense goes, all of their position groups are rated higher as is their defense overall. Some groups are really close, but overall this seems to be the common outlook: https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-defense-rankings/

As I recall the running joke during that period.... Which QB had the most home wins in Buffalo? Tom Brady..... 🤪

There's many scenarios, but what I keep coming back to is that we have a superstar QB1 and WR1, solid WR's overall, and NE is better at every other position group on both sides of the ball. All of our eggs are in one basket (passing game, JA17 being a superstar). To me, thats pretty one dimensional and fragile. If NE gets somewhere between decent and "good" QB play, they will be a very tough out. I expect to win the division, but its going to be tough and a lot can go wrong.

Relevant? They don't need us on a Bills board for that. People outside of NE are picking them to win the Div: Which team wins the AFC East this season? Which team wins the AFC East this season? | First Take - YouTube (edit-link not working???) Newton is likely to be better than last year, he's already showing that in camp apparently. I know in our Bills mafia world that 2020 is Josh's floor and 2020's stats are Newton's ceiling though, right? lol This brings back warm memories of August homerism on BBMB, where Brady was too old to play about 10 years ago. Just you wait they said. Its going to be a great season, we're going to win a tough division and the past doesn't mean squat.

The first measuring stick of whether or not Jones is worth anything is whether or not he can beat out a guy who is a shadow of what he once was. With that defense they've built and solid running game, all they need him to do is not turn it over and distribute the ball within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. They literally used the same game plan 20 years ago to great success. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess, but I'd bet it doesn't create dynasty 3.0

Agreed on all. I haven't seen it pointed out yet, but to me the most obvious coaching issue was the overall gameplan going in to all 4 match ups. If you have a smaller, fast defense that is going against the road grader O-lines of the NFC East... WHY TF do you run a no huddle offense and leave your defense out there???????????? The Bills O-line was just as good, just as big and just as capable of smash mouth as the NFC East teams and Levy couldn't identify the obvious. The obvious being in the Giants game, we got in the red zone and ran a conventional offense with a FB (Mueller) and deliberately rammed it down the Giants throats and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. We should have beat them at their own game and forced them to pass to keep up. The Redskins game....They were on a different level of physicality than us, not talent. They punched us in the mouth and we complained rather than punch back harder. Again, coaching and preparation. Go to YouTube, see for yourselves.

I concur, maybe it was at some point, but not in my last few visits. Way too much vinegar taste in their hot sauce, totally turned me off. Its seems cliche for natives to say that Anchor Bar is all reputation and no substance, but their wings are better than Duffs. Best Buffalo wings I ever had were actually Saratoga at a place called "Druthers" (micro-brew).

ESPN has a compelling argument for White and Bruce isn't even part of it. http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/041230

Charlie the Butcher!

The best wings in Buffalo is the worst reason to miss Beef on Weck. You can get wings anywhere in the country and beyond, but true blue Buffalo Beef on Weck??? Tell out of town people before they get average wings somewhere and miss the good stuff. Jus sayin.

I like when their LB body slams Jim Mcmahon, otherwise not interested. I used to like when they played TB back in the day and Pete Axthelm called it the "Bay of Pigs" game. lol

Not ignoring your point, its just that I went and watched a lot of the games in question on Youtube last night just for fun. I'm going with what my eyes told me and not empty stats from some guy on a forum. NE shut down the run, tried mostly successfully to take away the deep ball and appeared to double Kelce. The last 5 out of 6 times they played KC they've shut them down in the first half like no other team, that's called a trend. It was pointed out during one of the games by Jim Nantz actually. An article that lays it out nicely: https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article246149130.html Linked the wrong article: " Luckily for the Chiefs, that was enough to get the victory, but that doesn’t change the fact that New England’s defense played about as well as anybody previously had against Mahomes. Only five times with Mahomes as starting quarterback, the Chiefs have gone an entire half without scoring a touchdown. After Monday night, three of those instances have come against the Patriots. That makes it fair to ask how exactly New England was able to play that well against the Chiefs offense. The answer is really a mixture of talent and scheme, as well as Bill Belichick’s familiarity with Andy Reid." https://slantroute.substack.com/p/how-new-england-slowed-down-patrick

Exactly, its a somewhat delicate situation when you get all of the right people in the right scheme and reach a certain balance of talent. There's a dynamic that develops when you get all the right chess pieces. I think if the run game develops we'll see a drop if the passing game too, buts that's actually a good thing.