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I personally don’t agree on the JuJu thing and think you may be overstating his value a tiny bit, but I hear what you’re saying. I would say that the #1 seed thing is a little overblown given that we lost at home. I think the Jaguars may have beaten us in the divisional round last year. Ultimately, I think our chances of winning an SB last year went out the window after the Hamlin incident. Too much trauma for a team to remain locked in (understandably so)

It’s a total specious argument. And while I have nothing personal against @Shaw66, he makes the same specious arguments year after year. “Beane isn’t concerned about IOL because he didn’t address it.” ”McD isn’t concerned about safety play without Hyde because he has Hamlin and Cam Lewis” ”Beane isn’t concerned about our WR after Diggs and Davis or else he would have done something else.” Etc etc etc. every year it’s “I’m not worried about this position group because McBeane didn’t do much so they must not be worried either.” Someone had to tell this man that just because something is ostensibly plausible does not make it true or even likely, shout out @birdog1960 and @Jauronimo. As a side note, these arguments always come out after the fact. Prior to Edmunds leaving in FA, we would have NEVER heard that the brain trust at OBD thinks the MLB position is the next fullback.

I actually disagree that the records would not be different. I think that IOL is and has been a major Achilles’ heel on this Bills team since 2020. But I hear what you are saying, the lack of a true defensive superstar has also hurt, a lot. Von’s injury was a major blow. He was also available the year prior via trade in which he remained healthy for the Rams run but hey. I will continue to hammer this point forever, which I think you would agree. The biggest difference between the best season of this era (2020) and every other season is that 2020 had the best overall OL and overall receiving group. The defense wasn’t even that good that season and it was still our best year. Now, do I think we win the Super Bowl if we swap classes? No. Do I think we win the Super Bowl if we sign JuJu instead of Crowder? Also no. But it’s a combination of being second or third best in the conference in FA/draft and other major decisions that, surprise surprise, keep us second or third best in the conference.

TBD is the best because we can vehemently disagree in one thread and be perfectly aligned in another lmao

Completely fair and totally agree.

He wasn't drafted in 2021 or 2022. I'd love to see your argument for taking Rousseau and the bums over those Chiefs players.

TEAMS WHO THINK THE MLB IS THE LEAST IMPORTANT DEFENSIVE POSITION DO NOT TRADE UP IN THE FIRST ROUND TO TAKE AN MLB AT PICK #16. THEY DO NOT DRAFT AN MLB #9 OVERALL. This flies in the face of a decade of decisions that McD/Beane have been involved in. This is total and absolute appeal to authority combined with revisionist history. This is like saying "Shanahan doesn't believe in investing heavily in the QB position because he's starting Mr. Irrelevant. Just pretend that he didn't make a blockbuster trade for Trey Lance or another blockbuster trade for Jimmy G. He must not believe you need to invest a lot in the QB position." I have read a lot of your posts Shaw, and they are pretty consistently, "McBeane must believe this is the best thing to do and who am I to argue" combined with a shoulder shrug. And that's fine that you believe that. But the history of how these guys operate is out there. If McDermott didn't think MLB was important, why did he trade up for Edmunds in the first? Why was he the DC on the team who took Kuechly at #9? Are you seriously arguing that they decided MLB wasn't that important coincidentally when they trotted out the worst MLB group they ever have in the NFL? They must be the luckiest GM/HC's in history that their decisions to not invest in positions comes at the perfect time when those positions suck. What's next? McBeane must believe that Tyrod Taylor is good enough to be the QB for the Buffalo Bills because they started him in 2017 and passed on drafting a QB. McBeane must believe that the WR group doesn't need much help because they only brought in Jamison Crowder and the corpses of John Brown/Cole Beasley in 2022. You in particular need to grapple with the fact that just because the people in charge make a decision, it doesn't mean their decision was correct and it doesn't mean they are content with their decision. There is ACTUAL evidence that McBeane weren't happy with the WR group last year. There is ACTUAL evidence that they believe that MLB is an important position. I could easily say "I believe that McBeane are nervous as hell that they misjudged the MLB position since last offseason, and while they made the tough decision to let Edmunds walk, they now wish they probably made other moves to address the position." But because they will NEVER say that in a press conference, you will never believe that's possible.

Creed Humphrey was a second round pick. I'll post them out for you. Rousseau Basham (who is not even on the Bills lmao) Elam Cook vs. Trent McDuffie George Karlaftis Skyy Moore Creed Humphrey Bryan Cook Nick Bolton Take your pick which players were better lol. I think 31 GM's would want group 2. Do we just live in a world where the Bills have just as good drafting as the best teams in the league, just as good of a QB as the best teams in the league, just as good of a GM/coaching as the best teams in the league, just as good players as the best teams in the league, but we are just so unlucky that we haven't gotten past getting blown out in the conference championship or is it just possible, maybe, that we haven't been as good?

Topic Title. We discuss draft and free agency hits and misses pretty frequently on this board. But the ultimate goal is to be the team last standing. Over the last 3, now approaching 4 years of clawing at the door, I think this question is important. QB: Equal because Josh rules RB: Potentially best this year with Cook and co. but remains to be seen, the other years were pretty equal. WR: 2020 probably has this group beat, but if Kincaid pops in his WR role, this may be the best year as well OL: Again, 2020 was sneaky a solid OL year, a lot of guys played above their ability, but hopefully 2023 is even better DL: 2022 pre-Von injury, but if Von comes back at his usual level this should be just as good, if not better with Floyd LB: The 2022 had the two best seasons out of Milano/Tremaine in Bills uni's. 2023 takes a big hit this year. CB: 2020 probably has the best CB group by default because Tre was healthy all year. Hopefully Benford outperforms Levi and Tre returns to form S: 2021 probably takes this because Hyde/Poyer were healthy and 2 years younger, but if those old guys can hang on, 2023 should be around that level. STer: We have lost future Bills Wall of Famer Taiwain Jones, but ST doesn't really matter so who cares. What say you.

Then you can compare their top rounds. There’s a reason the Chiefs traded away a future HoF receiver and ended up with a better season by winning the Super Bowl, and it’s because they hit in the positions they needed to in the draft.

Compare the Chiefs 2021 and 2022 drafts to the Bills and tell me which team did better.

Sean Payton sucks. Nothing would make me happier than the Broncos sucking just as hard as they did last year. Then Payton can field questions about what’s different about last year and the worst coach job in NFL history

I already made this point!

2017 was an all time coach job. Legit legendary stuff out of McD. That roster had no business picker higher than 6

Tommy Sweeney was 6’5” and 251 and somehow we didn’t dominate running the ball with him.

Eh, if I was the Jets, I'd put a nickel DB on Kincaid and take my chances.

Teller started 7 games for the Bills lmao.

Does 12 personnel help that much when Kincaid isn't really an in-line guy and isn't really known for his blocking ability?

Saleh is kind of a golden boy still. Maybe the NYC media saw the disaster under center last year and said “hey, seven wins is pretty impressive”

No way man. We win one with Josh and I’d sign up for 0-17 for the next decade.

He went 10 years without winning a Super Bowl. He had a 10 year gap in his career where he was 0-2 in the big game. It is true. I’m sorry you cannot comprehend that.

I don’t know if anyone has the exact same success as BB/Brady but I do think other NFL coaches could’ve been in charge long enough for him to be the GOAT.

Epenesa has no value. Boogie barely did.

It was very brutal. It felt like a need pick, but the need wasn’t really there with Addison/Huges/AJE and Rousseau the round before on the roster already. Really one of Beane’s worst picks from a process standpoint IMO. Cody Ford busted but I saw the vision. I have no idea what they were doing with Boogie.

Peyton set the season TD record in Denver. More than one, and I say that with tremendous respect for BB and that he’s the GOAT coach.