FireChans

I didn’t say the Bengals haven’t drafted busts. I said that when we had high picks when we were bad and picking high we didn’t nail as many as they did. I know folks have memory-holed the Bills picking in the top 10 with this current staff and Josh Allen but it happened. We also had 2 first rounders in 2018 because of the previous trade down. we didn’t get enough impact players with those picks. Folks are out here acting like we’ve been picking at #28 for Beano’s whole tenure and it just ain’t true.

Yeah, he is. you seem to think there’s a vast gulf between picks 5 and 33 and 9, 16 and 38. From a draft value perspective, 5 is 2184 points and 33 is 1228 points. That’s a total of 3412 points. 9, 16 and 38 are 1887, 1595, 1157 for a total of 4639 points So really the Bills non-QB picks have been worth more than the Bengals. And they have drafted impact players with those picks, and we have not. Its kinda undeniable. https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart#google_vignette

So why is Tee Higgins better than Tremaine Edmunds or Ed Oliver? He was not picked higher than either of them.

What does this have to do with anything? We didn’t get the #1 and #5 pick by being really bad so it’s okay that Edmunds doesn’t play here anymore and Ed Oliver is the 4th best first round DT in his class and Cody Ford was a massive bust? Even though Tee Higgins was pick #33, there’s no way Beane could’ve gotten as good of a player with pick #9 or pick #16 or pick #38? Because he traded up in 2018? Is that the argument?

I think the quick release intermediate to short stuff went away after Crowder got hurt, no?

Bets with me about HC interviews. Of which he got zero lol

Idk man, sounds like he was an unethical EPA merchant, and that’s why he’s got a new job getting Stefanski’s coffee.

Dorsey was the EPA gawd/fraud confirmed? Say it ain’t so.

No one is pretending staying behind the LOS precludes injury. Zero.

Why are you including the Burrow pick and not the Josh and Edmunds picks lol

I promise the day after the Super Bowl, you will see a whole new FC. Yes, Josh can get hurt in the pocket. Every QB can get hurt in the pocket. Every player who steps on the field can get hurt. Some can get hurt in warm ups or in training camp. Does any of that mean that it’s a bad idea to protect your franchise QB’s body and avoid as many hits as possible? Of course not. This is the silliest point ever on TBD. “why protect Josh from having to run so much when he could get hurt in a car accident on the way to the stadium” type logic.

If the justification for A is that he drafted the second best QB in football and that matters more than literally anything else, I’m fine with the A votes. Any other justification for the A grade is pure bunk, imo.

You can win with me. Surround Josh with enough weapons that he doesn’t feel like he has to run through linebackers to win games in November a la 2020. Then, when it’s do or die in the ACTUAL playoffs, he can be as close to peak physical health as possible. Instead, they have limited his weapons so that our offense is weaker than it should be with a QB of his caliber, arbitrarily tell him not to scramble and not to play hero up ball so we lose games in October and end 6-6 mid season, then let the reins off because we have to win out to make the playoffs and it becomes a 9 game playoff run starting in December. Sign me up for the first strategy over the second and I’ll be the first to hold hands and sing kumbaya

Josh: “I had to rework my mechanics this off-season because my injuries had me compensating incorrectly and making me a worse player” Beane: “I want Josh to keep that LB mentality and never change” 2024 off-season in a nutshell.

They weren’t the same drafts. I know this. That’s why I said the years. If we had taken Wilkins, or Lawrence or Simmons at #9 (all impact players that are better DT’s than Ed) and DK in the second, I would not be sitting here talking about how we failed to find impact players with those picks. If we had taken Jaire Alexander or DJ Moore (guys that would’ve for sure gotten second contracts with the Bills) over Edmunds (who was not an impact player and did not get a second contract here), I would not be sitting here talking about how we failed to find impact players with that pick. Beane (and you) keep talking about how they didn’t suck the year before Chase was in the draft so it’s not their fault they don’t have him. That’s true. What’s also true is that we had our own bites at the apple to find impact players at high value positions, i.e. pass rusher, CB, WR with high picks and failed to do so. We took a solid LB who was a disappointment, a bust OT/OG, and like the 4th best DT in the first round who no-shows in the playoffs. When we had comparable picks to the Bengals during their period of suck. They drafted stars at high value positions. We drafted league averages and busts.

It's not a good point. We had high picks in 2019 and 2 first rounders in 2018. Bengals took Burrow, Chase, Higgins when they had 3 picks in the top 38. We took Josh, Edmunds, Oliver, Ford when we had 4 picks in the top 38. It's literally the reason they have better stars. They nailed 3 of their high picks, and we nailed 1.

Dude I know they aren’t the same year. The point is that they drafted impact players when they sucked. We didn’t.

Ooooo okay. that makes more sense. QB’s aside, I 1000% take the Bengals roster of the last 3 years. They are better at all the important positions. We have had great safeties and linebackers and running backs. Oh hey, don’t forget we took Cody Ford in our sucky year when they took Tee Higgins lol

Dude 100%. What? You can’t talk about WR’s being force multipliers for franchise QB’s for like 24 months and then change your tune now. I would trade rosters with the Dolphins, the Niners, the Eagles, the Bengals this SECOND. Josh would have 60+ tuddies with a stable of great pass catchers. Sure, they will have to pay Chase $30M but at least he’s a star. We are paying big money to stiffs like Von and Knox to do what, exactly? This is what I’m talking about. The Bills roster has been sooooo overrated lol

You know we won 6 games with a rookie Josh and picked Oliver in the top 10, right? You know we had 2 first round picks in 2018 and picked an amazing QB, and a MLB who is quite literally just “okay” and doesn’t play here no mo? The Bengals took Burrow and Chase in their 2 sucky years. We took Josh, Edmunds and Oliver. Chase >>>>> Edmunds+Oliver, obviously.

Best player is tough. most impactful? Yeah probably. The 20-25th best WR is probably more impactful than the 3rd best LB.

Elite JAG

They restructured Allen.

I don’t think Higgins is elite but him + Chase is an unbelievable tandem. I do think it’s funny we all talk about how we need to get more good weapons around Allen, because it will make an exponential difference in performance, then @GoBills808 says the Bengals are getting more with less compared to the Bills, because uh, they only have great wideouts and good pass rushers and we have a really good off ball linebacker.

Kinda the point, right?