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IOL dominated. Great punt. Thats the Bills football I missed

I hope Edmunds is playing. Josh and the WR’s can build some easy confidence

Not doom. Just not good. We knew who we got in terms of pass rush. Oliver and nobody. Lmao.

Zero rush on third down. Eek.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-aiyuk-contract-extension-trade-rumors/1768034/ lmao [Maiocco] The 49ers worked out a deal with the Browns in which they would acquire veteran receiver Amari Cooper, as well as second- and fifth-round draft picks for Aiyuk. However, the Browns were not one of Aiyuk’s preferred destinations, so the trade was not completed

Josh laughs on the sidelines a lot in blow out wins. Brady was our daddy. It’s okay to admit now. He can’t hurt us anymore.

How did Carruth only get 18 years? Deplorable.

Sirianni has total "Brandon Staley entering 2023" vibes. Everyone knows he's gonna be canned, they are just gonna waste a season to do it.

Lmao Dorsey was “saddled” with Diggs, Davis, Knox and McKenzie with a generational QB. Daboll oversaw a bad offense with Zay Jones as WR1 and Bob Foster as WR2 with a rookie QB. Certainly an apples to apples comparison. Yup!

Okay, fair enough. IYO, Dorsey did a good job as OC.

There are two arguments. #1 McD/Beane want ball-control type offense with less TO's and less drives per game and this offense as it looks is intentional. #2 McD/Beane cobbled together a group for 2024 to get by with eyes on 2025. I don't have as much of a problem with this as trading Diggs away with his huge cap hit puts a huge black mark on the season already, with the large corollary that I would have liked more rookies or youngish talent in the WR room if they are viewing this as a stepping stone year. There is a case for #2 imo. I am down on Beane prioritizing WR because it felt increasingly obvious over the last 3 seasons to do so, but he did have that stretch across 19 and 20 where he built the room to be quite good over the course of two seasons.

It’s a compounding problem. Dorsey’s numbers and offense would’ve probably looked even better if he had 2020 offensive talent at his disposable. It may have been even better than Daboll’s 2020. But when you let receiving talent erode, then run an offense that relies predominantly on “beat your man” philosophies, you get what we got. We always mention that improving the weapons make Josh’s life easier. It also makes the OC’s life easier. Even great OC’s like Shanny can struggle when they don’t have Deebo or Trent Williams.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-guardian-caps-everything-you-need-to-know-about-football-s-new-protective-helmet/ar-AA1otexf Are Guardian Caps Mandatory? Yes and no. The NFL introduced Guardian Caps during 2022 training camps. In 2023, the league required positions that receive the most head contact — running backs, linemen, and linebackers — to wear the extra padding in camp. In 2024, every position, excluding quarterbacks and specialists, was mandated to use a Guardian Cap in training camp. NFL players who wore one of six new helmet models approved by the league and the NFLPA were exempt from using Guardian Caps.

I think the floor for a Josh Allen offense with a couple of good to great targets is about top 5 tbh. Lots of folks argued Daboll sucked/wasn't doing a good job and they were 3rd in points in 2021 and 2nd in points in 2020. The results speak for themselves, eh?

Oh I know lmao. In your defense, his EPA/Starbucks order in Cleveland is looking elite by all accounts this off-season.

Okay, so you think he did a good coaching job. Agree to disagree. @BADOLBILZ probably won’t agree he did a good job but will also nitpick a take he doesn’t even disagree with.

Got it. When you said neither Aiyuk or Deebo are in their plans two years from now, I thought you were trying to say they can’t keep either of them longer term. Philly interesting because Jalen Hurts’ deal is truly cap voodoo and I have no idea how it’s gonna play out lol. He had a void year with a $97M cap hit in 2029. I don’t even know where to start with interpreting it.

Let's just be frank. Do you think the Bills offense was well-coached in Dorsey's tenure? I had multiple views of receivers running into the same spots on their routes during the Dorsey era. Is that Dorsey or the players or the WR coach? In Dorsey's full year, the Bills had the second most TO's in football. Their worst ranking in Josh Allen's career. Is that Dorsey or the players or the position coaches? We can say it wasn't all Dorsey's fault because of the talent erosion, because McD made big mistakes too, because Josh got hurt. But the crux of the matter is, "was Dorsey doing a good job?" The answer, imo, is no, and with that this conversation can end lmao.

I thought it was turning it over 4 times vs the Broncos. Anyone got the numbers on if turnovers are bad when it comes to winning football games?

I agree with that. If they wanted to pay him, he'd be paid lmao. Like I said earlier, I think it may be true that they value Deebo more in their system. I think choosing Deebo over Aiyuk at this stage of the game is the wrong move, and if I made the call, I would choose Aiyuk over Deebo. Mostly because I think there's a strong possibility Deebo falls off a cliff and they end with the Brocketship inked on a huge deal, neither Aiyuk or Deebo on the roster and he proves himself to be the Tua-West that he clearly is and it cooks them for a couple seasons. IMO, the long-term play is to keep a great receiving talent around Brock Purdy as long as possible, and Aiyuk has a far better chance at being that.

The player who most notably saw very little PT and when he did he looked HORRIBLE was Dorian Williams last year. Before him was Bernard the year prior, who also looked horrible in spot duty. Bernard clearly benefited imo from waiting his turn and getting his sea legs under him. What player deserved more PT or to be more heralded during this regime? If the Bills believe that 2024 is a lost cause for an SB, I'd want a rookie/young guy playing at every position. But they don't believe that. The guy who they think will perform the best will play, and they are usually correct.

That's not the point. They would be signing him to a contract now. The argument that "they can't pay one of Deebo/Aiyuk a big contract now because Brock Purdy will eventually have a big cap hit" doesn't hold water. It's criminal for a Bills fan who watched the Bills sign Josh to a gigantic contract in 2021, and watched them pay Diggs big money and extend him to even bigger money during Josh's gigantic contract to believe. That's the point.

@DrDawkinstein More to the point: Jared Goff is the fifth highest paid QB in football right now. He has a $32M hit in 24. St. Brown, with his gigantic extension, has a cap hit of just $4M this season and only $13.9M net season. There is no Sophie's choice between paying a QB or paying a WR until well into a QB's extension. A Brock Purdy extension wouldn't even start until 2025 at the EARLIEST. If they keep his cap hit lower by amortizing his money into signing bonuses, they can easily give themselves 2-3 years of relatively low cap hits. So now, we are talking about 2027 at the EARLIEST that they start to take his cap medicine. They can easily pay Aiyuk through that point, and again, they can even keep his cap hit low for the first few years of his extension as well. Aiyuk couldn't be in their plans past 25? Bah.

What? I completely disagree with this entire take. They can easily pay Aiyuk 2 years from now while Brock’s contract is ramping up. Especially with a Deebo contract coming off the books along with Trent Williams likely retired by that point. The Bills were able to pay Diggs a really high salary for the first 3 seasons of Josh’s extension. Philly is paying Brown and Smith with Jalen Hurts locked up. When you are not a poverty franchise (read: the Bengals) it’s very easy to keep a big QB contract’s cap number low for the first couple years. The Bills just did this. The Eagles are doing this. The Bengals can’t/won’t because they are poor, which is why Burrow’s contract in its second year has a $13M BIGGER hit than Josh’s second year. This is a total meme take about not being able to pay a single WR because of QB contracts. Did we start paying Josh yesterday or did we give him gigantic money over 3 years ago?

Probably because we were stumbling with Dorsey’s offense and Josh had to do SOMETHING and that something involved Josh lowering his shoulder. If under Dorsey, we called less QB runs but Josh had to run more because the play was broken/didn’t work, it’s really 6 and 1/2 dozen. Either way, Josh ran too much with him throwing clipboard in the booth. Sayonara to the EPA king.