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Okay so you think that this is a bottom 5-6 WR group is a reasonable take. WTF are we even arguing then lol.

Overwhelming trend with a league filled with bums like Mac Jones and Gardner Minshew? Probably. Overwhelming trend with elite QB’s? Probs not.

Speak subjectively. If you want to dispute someone else’s subjective opinion that this is a bottom 5 group, post your own.

Okay. I am not comfortable with their talent level. I think they are full of guys who actually kinda suck and/or are unproven and/or who are limited compared to the NFL at large. I think anyone who argues to the contrary but also won’t rate their talent compared to the NFL at large is at best a coward and at worst completely dishonest.

We lose more games needing Josh to get a score in the fourth than we do blowing 4thQ leads fyi.

It’s about the talent at the position relative to the rest of the NFL ie our competition to win the Lombardi trophy If you don’t care about how good the WR’s are, go ahead and have that take.

Just list the teams you think are better or worse than the Bills WR’s. If your subjective take is that we are the 10th best group or whatever, post it. If you won’t, it just means you don’t really believe it lol.

Cover1 can write more articles on how it’s impossible to trade Diggs until after 2025.

The primary point… that it’s coaching. Not that losses and rushing yards allowed have been correlated since like 1924. Couldn’t be. McD should have broken Tua’s knees during the bye week, so the Bills had no challengers for the playoffs. Herbert got hurt because of how great the Chiefs were, his index finger snapped right in half vs the Broncos because of Andy Reid. Like I said, back to the drawing board.

Josh doesn’t even have the best playoff numbers of active players. that anonymous NFL executive must read TBD.

obviously, it must have changed for KC because their coaches sucked this year? The difference has gotta be coaching. Oh wait. Lmao. Btw, we were the second seed, higher than KC. We were guaranteed playoffs going into week 18. I guess KC having 3 dog ***** teams in their division is just because of just how good they are. If the Bills were better, the Dolphins wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Except for the whole 2-0 thing against them. Your takes are usually well-reasoned, but this one sucks. Back to the workshop.

Chicago too high, Bengals too low, Packers too high, Falcons too high, Chiefs too high, Bucs too low, Bills bottom five just right.

It’s certainly possible. If it doesn’t, we can make the WR group even worse, and say “maybe this is the year.” Lol

Yes yes, we have heard “win now and win in the future” as Beano’s philosophy for 4-5 seasons. That philosophy only works if you win now. We are now into the fifth season of Josh Allen’s dominant era, and the 7th of his career and we have played in one conference title game in a blow out loss. It might be time to double down and try to get one as fast as possible. For all we know, Josh starts to fall apart at 30 and our window snaps shut.

I’m not worried. I just don’t want him to be successful. I hope he’s a bust, because if he’s great it sucks for us. Beane is hoping he’s a bust too lol. FWIW, Mahomes has had his IAY/A drop from 9.1 in 2018 to 6.5 in 2023. Part of that is Mahomes taking more short stuff because of the way he is defended, but also because of the loss of a great deep threat. If Worthy is good, I expect that number to be higher in 24, especially with Hollywood.

I think Beane is actually afraid the Bills are gonna be picking as high as 15 or so in 2025.

They could afford it. you are confused on the definition of could. I have linked it below to help. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/could# They didn’t want to. Which is the point, as @HappyDays said. Your cute stat of 1/6th of the cap invested to WR notwithstanding (including a player no longer on the roster is by definition not an investment to the position on the roster). Besides, they had no idea they were going to trade Diggs in the summer of 23. They had just extended him, they clearly wouldn’t have done that if they thought they were gonna eat his cap hit in a season. Bad take palooza continues. Anyway, you were clearly a fan of the “spend the same cap space on bums like Harty/Sherfield to recreate Hopkins in the aggregate,” approach last year. They are trying the same experiment writ large this year, with the same predictably crappy results.

Hopkins cost $4M against the cap in 2023. Harty cost $4M against the cap in 2023. Sherfield cost $1.7M. Bad take palooza continues.

I am old enough to remember the same questions about Devonta Smith and his frame. Worthy wasn’t the same level of prospect and I think he’s even slighter than DeVonta, but Smith is a borderline WR1 in this league. Time will tell if Worthy is more Smith or more Goodwin. Either way, I mislike the idea of an elite deep threat on a conference rival. Hopefully he sucks.

Not even a no-show, in some of our losses they actively threw the game away. The Jets were cooked if the Bills just punted every drive. Who can forget the multiple turnovers before the half in Denver to let them get free points?

Wow, the Chiefs lost 5 of their top 8 games where their opponents rushed the most. The Ravens lost 3/4. It’s almost like teams run the ball more when they are winning. Shocking development. Somebody send a letter to the Bills brass to let them know!

So do you think we will have two top 32 producers next year? I think it’s possible, I don’t know about likely. We have only done it once in the last 4 seasons, and it was when Diggs was elite and Beasley was an All-Pro slot in 2020. Now, the corollary is that we don’t have a Diggs soaking up the lion-share of the targets, so is it possible that we have a 29th and a 31st with those extra targets? Absolutely. But as we saw with KC last year, even when one of those guys is a HoFer and and the other a promising rookie, they still had an average offense which imo is not good enough with a top 2 QB in football. We literally did this debate annually for the last few years. These folks coming out of the woodwork being like, “how could the Bills have avoided coming into the season with a cast of unproven and lotto ticket red flag WR’s???” takes are driving me insane.

Huh? Like it or not, turnovers matter. He can still be awesome and be a top 2 QB. No one says Mahomes’ TO’s are good, they are bad, just like Josh’s are bad. There’s no reason to pretend otherwise lol

first of all, Brown was here 1 year with Diggs when he was still an NFL player. Him and Bease were on retirement’s door by 21, which is why Beasley’s numbers dropped and Brown was cut outright. Brown and Beasley harm your point. They had to sign them back as retired corpses midseason because of how bad the WR room was otherwise in 2022. It was an obvious symptom.

What lmao. During Tyreek’s tenure in KC, they drafted another WR in the second. We did not draft a WR even close to that high during Diggs’ tenure.