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Luckily I was able to snag some from a season ticket holder! It's a later start (11:45) so I'm excited about that.

Just think of what could've been if Da'Rick Rodgers had Allen tossing him the rock!

That's what I'm thinking, Kingcaid will have just about 110 on his own and Knox's contribution is gravy. @Special K, you should think about about bumping those numbers up to at least 130. if Kingcaid can build off last season and be a better/more consistent target and Knox is healthier and bounces back a little bit the sky is the limit.

I didn't read too many other comments but for me it boils down to a healthy Rodgers being much, much better than Tua. QB trumps all, regardless of your opinions of him, Rodgers has proven to be one of the GOATs. He used to be a favorite of mine until all his whining and shenanigans. I wish him the worst in NJ.

Awesome! I'm definitely leaning towards going. Is there a better time to go in regards to going at the start of tc or closer to the end? And thank you. That's some seriously great advise. My kids are finally old enough to start appreciating the finer things in life. Bills football!

Is it worth it to go? I might want to take my kids but it's about a two and a half hour drive.

Sounds to me like Diggs didn't buy in last year and only put in effort when it was 'his time to eat'. Not surprising the team decided to move in another direction. Diggs, understandably, wants the attention for being great. The issue lies in that he can't stand getting outshined, especially when the team loses and he thinks he didn't get his fair shake to make an impact. Honestly, the only ego the Bills should feed is Allen's. Look at the Pats and Chiefs, no one is bigger or more important than the head honcho (Allen/Brady/Mahomes). Mind you, in my glory days I was definitely more of a Diggs than an Allen. And in hindsight, it not only hindered my growth and development but the ceiling of the teams I played on. So I can see how Diggs impact could be both positive and negative on an aspiring championship team. I'm not sure if he'll ever win a superbowl as it stands, this might be his last best chance this year..

So when you talk about the value of players does every QB who makes more than Allen a better QB than him? What about the players who were traded for 1sts or other high picks? DeShawn Watson-Elite, Russell Wilson- Elite, Danny Dimes-GOAT. There's a lot of players who you might claim to be high value based off your metrics but in game situations have less value than their market value. In Diggs time here he was a great player, before that I'd put him on the cusp. It's all about perspective, and what you percieve as value, Diggs,when he was traded was playing second fiddle to Adam Thielan. I'm not sure what exactly was going on in MN at the time but that doesn't exactly scream elite to me. So yeah he had btb 1000+ yards, Claypool (lol about him not making the cut) had btb 800+ yards. Not last year, but as a rookie and 2nd year player (there's talent there). He fell off and may or may not suck now, we'll see. Cole Beasley was 2 years removed from his best season aside from Allen and he had 75-830-5 as a 5th year player, Shakir just last year had 39-610-2 as a second year player(including his 2nd half of the season uptick in production) John Brown actually has a better best season without Allen than I thought at 65-1003-7 which was 3 seasons before he played with Josh, Curtis Samuel had his best year 3 seasons before with 77-850-3 There's definitely a statistical drop-off when comparing just the raw data but that doesn't get into a more nuanced discussion about the players' traits and how they'll fit into the current offense Kincaid had 73-670-2 as a rookie TE which are top rookie Tight end numbers. If he can take a step that's half the battle. Cook last year had 44-440-4, Singletary had 38-280-1 last year. Admittedly RB and TE aren't WR, that doesn't diminish the role they'll play on the offense. I'm anticipating Cook and Kincaid to be main features in the Bills offensive attack. Which is something the Bills never done before in the Allen era. As much as I wanted to like Gabe, he, much like Mckittrick, was a clown and the Bills will be better simply not having him on the field. Coleman will probably see at least 75-100 targets this season and who knows how that shakes out. I'd reckon that its better than we saw with Davis last year Also when you look back at when the Bills signed Smoke and Beasley I would argue neither was particularly coveted by front offices. Sure they're good role players but that's about it. Honestly Brown and Samuel are essentially the same player in my mind, and from what I've seen from Shakir is a younger, faster, more agile player than Beasley ever was with the Bills. So apples to apples I feel pretty good about those 2. So all that's left is to replace Diggs and his massive target share. Which in theory will be distributed amongst the rest of the group and will determine the fate of the offense. The crux of this is that since the Bills are deeper overall that those 160 targets won't all be thrown into double coverage or against an elite CB1. They'll be able to attack the field in a variety of ways that wouldn't be possibly otherwise when they're funneling the ball to their high-value diva. Simply put I value the youth and potential of this group of pass catchers more than you, I also believe that Allen is a much better player than he was when he put up his best statistical season. He's gotten better every year. Unless you think he peaked, we all just saw it last year with Mahomes. Great QBs make the player around them better.

I definitely understand the trepidation with the WR core the Bills are currently fielding. But, think about it this way.. when Diggs first came to the Bills he was a good player, when he played with Allen he was Elite, John Brown was good, and with Allen; he was close, but wasn't quite great, Beasley before was mediocre, and with Josh was good. On top of the fact these players grew with Josh over a few seasons. (Do you see where I'm going with this?) JOSH ALLEN MAKES THE PLAYERS AROUND HIM BETTER. Josh himself has grown as a player over the past few seasons and he is now in charge of the offense. He has a RB room that can (sometimes) catch and move with the ball, an upgraded OL and no more hand holding from OCs to reign him in or coddle him, no Diggs "teaching" him how to be a 'leader' in the NFL, he's the Franchise now. It's his ship and it's sink or swim, I hope he wears his big boy pants this season. To the recievers; as it stands they have a number of unknowns and reclamation projects. Hopefully it works out for the best, right? How I see it, the Bills have at least 2-3 "legit" starting options as you've called them in Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Coleman(?), possibly Knox, and maybe Claypool (based off of his 2 good years). While the team doesn't presently have a Diggs-level WR, there's talented players in place to step up. Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, or Coleman (and again the dark horse Claypool) all have a path to be the top receiver on the team and end up with 1000+ yards. While the top end isn't quite there yet (maybe it is? We won't know until after this season) this year's crop is almost undoubtedly deeper than years past and has a much higher potential ceiling. Sure the team lost a lot of targets, but the production based of those targets wasn't commensurate to a successful offense. Forcing the ball to one great player and hoping Gabe pulls out a miracle game, seems to me like a losing recipe when you have a player as good as Allen at the helm. The plan to load up on guys who are better than the CB2/3 or S/LB they're lined up against and let Allen play keep away seems to me, the better plan. Just let the man be great! IN JOSH WE TRUST

It's post like these that really take the boards to the next level. The thought and analysis are top notch and even if the conclusion was 'not so positive' there's so much to unpack that it makes for a good read even as a one off post!

At this point, from my perspective, the Bills brass wants two types of WRs; big strong bully types (Coleman, Shorter, Cephus, Hollins, Knox, maybe Kincaid), and fast, shifty, precision types (Samuel, Shakir, Hamler, Isabella, maybe Kincaid). Not only that, they want to be multiple, meaning, able to run the full playbook with each of these guys lined up at any of position. It's hard to type it all out but I'm imagining a playback where on any given play the defense is legitimately guessing who's getting the ball because anyone realistically anyone could and have not only a positive, but potentially major impact on any given play because of the mismatch problems these formations present. The Bills might even transition to a heavy screen team given the amount Coleman ran and having speedy WRs and backs to catch out of the backfield. Having Kincaid and Coleman lined up in trips with Samuel off the line behind them and Knox on the opposite side of the line and Cook lined up next to Allen in shotgun present a number of match up problems that I can't imagine many teams can run with. All of this said, that's my vision for the Bills offense, a multiple, spread offense that can condense to heavy formations and big body teams to wear them down and create even more opportunities late in the game from teams chasing around the fast guys and taking shots from the bullies.

Just from watching the first 10 minutes of that video I saw him make more, high degree of difficulty, catches than Diggs or Davis did all of last year. Without watching the actual all-22 footage it's tough to determine how open he was on a lot of routes and then the window closes due to his qb missing the read or poor ball placement. On top of the fact that half his targets were screens or go routes. I don't think this video is as damning as you think it is.

If I'm being honest that was the Bills WRs biggest problem last year "adjusting to the ball and catching in contested spaces" how many times did we fans watch Josh throw a dime to Davis and Diggs only to watch the ball hit the turf? I'm sick of fans talking up how good Diggs is, and that Davis is a huge loss. They're both overrated and I say good riddance. Maybe Coleman will actually make the circus catches I've grown accustomed to watching other teams make against the Bills. He cant be worse than Davis or Diggs, they're more liable to drop it than make a play. Samuel isn't going to be huge drop-off from Diggs and getting Davis subbed off the field by a jag is addition by subtraction

Fair enough. The Bills defense as currently stands is vastly different than the Def that played against the Bengals those few times. If the offense gets going and doesn't feel the need to force the rock to an overhyped malcontent the games turn into shootouts instead of blowouts. Which turn into coin flips at the end of the day. IMO, I'm glad they got rid of Tre, Hyde, Poyer, et al, I honestly think it boils down to the team being fed up with overpaid stars who've been playing well in spite of their talents, skills, athleticisim, etc. (Idk, maybe the defensive HC can actually coach guys up) I mean how much worse could the Def play against the Chiefs last year, Bengals the year before, or 13 second? I

Also I hope Rice rots in a cell for the rest of his life. And the Chiefs and Benglas miss the playoffs in for the rest of the NFL's existence. Both, those teams and their fans, can frig right off.

I mean the Bills have only played the Bengals 2.25 in the past few years since the Bills have been good, so to Cin has their number is disingenuous. Sure,they got their butts whooped twice and it might very well have been 3 times for all we know. But only 1.25 of those games correlate to each other. So many fans get caught up in these nuances instead of realizing how much actually luck goes into play during these games. Sure a great coach or player can swing some things but when you're talking the best of the best it's the little things that get lost in it all (for instance, Alllen missing Diggs in the Bengals game for a TD which without a doubt would've changed how the game played out) The Bills biggest challenge is simply being the best version of their current selves. Just like the Chiefs, just like Bengals, Just like 49ers. The best team at the end of the year is the one who plays the best in the final game. It's that simple. The Chiefs may not have been the best team the whole season last year but they were for the game counted most

@Billl Realistically, if I went to Chiefs planet or whatever cesspool you call home, and started trashing Chiefs fans and their critique of Diggs/the trade what would the response be? Honestly, we all get this is the internet and you're welcome to voice your opinions but there's a thing called tact which you clearly lack. If you want to have intelligent discussions about football or the Bills in general, this is the place. If you want to talk ***** to people about your favorite team go to fb, insta, or x and #Chiefs #NFL #Bills or whatever your proclivity. This is a Bills message board. Get over youself

Thanks for making the pick. I'll have to let someone else take the reigns next time around

Uh...., yeah, what he said @NewEra you're on the clock

With the 63rd pick in the TSW mock draft the 49ers select Christian Mahogany, G, Boston College. Not thrilled with the players available we decided to double dip on the OL. Mahogany slots in as a hopeful upgrade to Feliciano on the right side, where he can use his tenacity and pulling ability to open holes for McCaffrey and smash DBs in the open field in front of Deebo and Aiyuk on WR screens (Considered Braelon Allen here as the thunder the to McCaffrey's lightning, having Henry 2.0 in that backfield would be insane. McCaffrey, Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and Allen on the field in base sets would be insane)

Thank you for stepping in. I apologize for missing the pick. That's the guy I would've taken so I'm happy about that. Sorry for slowing things down for everyone Sorry guys

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In all fairness the past few years the only one of those who's been on Diggs level has been Jefferson. So really it's a pretty even swap. Especially when you consider that JJ was a rookie taken late in the first. No one could've anticipated he'd surpass Diggs at this point. He'd be the No 1 pick (or close to it in a redraft). So what you're saying is they correctly diagnosed (3 of 4) that Diggs would be better than. Maybe they didn't think Jefferson would be there and they're kicking themselves for it since they retroactively compared him to a Brian Thomas type prospect who'd be gone by their pick. Nobody knows. Hopefully we find out soon, they're freaking awesome at it