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I really think you're taking "thousands" way too literally. That's a tweaked quote from Star Wars...

MY GOODNESS, tough crowd here! There have been a number of posters who really liked him, this obviously puts that to bed. But sure, let's take 5 pages to debate Jake Fromm having value 🤣

1,000,000% agree on Waddle.

Sorry to those of you who had the hots for him...

At 5’7??? Hard pass on that for me.

Another great list. I really like Basham, but not sure he's a great fit for us. Reminds me of Shaq Barrett coming out of college and I'd just be weary of having 2 high motor/lower athleticism guys on the ends. I think Basham becomes a good, maybe even great pro, but would like to have a better athlete to balance Epenesa... I think Hunter Long will be a fine player, but I think his 3rd round value is being elevated by lack of talent in the TE pool this year. He might turn into a starter, but I don't think he'll ever be anything special, hard to spend a 3rd on a guy like that when you can replace him with a 5th or 6th and get similar value... Collins is intriguing. Love the size and athleticism, love the former QB background... I doubt we end up drafting him and will be interested to see what kind of player he turns into, I can see a very broad array of outcomes for him...

I haven't watched enough of his tape to develop a really solid opinion, but I mentioned in the Smith-Marsette thread that a great way to make profit in the draft is to find guys playing in "less than ideal" circumstances in college. In this instance, Jalen Camp at Ga. Tech seems to perhaps fit that bill and I've liked what I've seen so far... Here's his pro day data: Height: 6’2″ Weight: 226 lbs Forty-Yard Dash: 4.43 Seconds Vertical Jump: 39.5″ Broad Jump: 10’5″ Three-Cone Drill: 7.02 Seconds Twenty-Yard Shuttle: 4.16 Seconds Bench Press: 30 Reps at 225 lbs (more than any WR in Combine history) Intriguing as a late round pick, for sure...

Great list! My brother went to UCLA, so I've seen a lot of Felton, definitely a fun player to watch. I'll be interested to see if he holds up in the NFL, reminds me a little bit of De'Anthony Thomas who was a stud weapon on offense in college but basically just a special teamer in the pros... Don't like Fehoko. Guy timed well but when you watch him play, his speed does not match those numbers AT ALL. I think he'll struggle in the pros. Good adds of Little and Green too. I think Little's upside is limited, meaning I don't see him ever being a star, but if he can turn into a consistent starter/swing tackle, I think that's plenty good enough. Conversely, LOVE Green's upside, wouldn't be shocked if he goes a lot higher than internet mocks (part of why I didn't list him). I missed Milton Williams on my list! Another great one, guy blew his pro day up and has the game to back it up. Great one. All good points on Trill. I'll take a second look.

At their sizes those are some impressive numbers!

Almost included him in my "prospects not talked about enough" thread... He's not "my type" so I didn't, but guy has great long speed and would fit nicely as a vertical element with Allen. I also think there's always opportunity for profit when you're getting a guy coming out of a system that's farther removed from a more of pro setting (also like Jalen Camp for that same reason)

I like Paye and Phillips more than Ojulari, but I don’t think he’s a fit here at all. He’s going to have to go to an odd front defense and be rush LB. Don’t see him as a good fit for us at all.

Yep. I feel like I remember Adebo playing injured in that one too?

Good/not great athlete. Really good first step and bend around the edge — that’s w/out question his best quality. More of a pass rusher than a run stopper or balanced edge player at this stage of his career. Does a decent job using his hands and setting up OLmen but wouldn’t call him a technician. Wouldn’t be a starter for us but would help in passing situations and feels like a guy who could develop similar to a Shaq Barrett type. I’m partial to Jordan Smith in that range because of his explosion and similar ability to bend the edge, but certainly don’t hate Odeyingbo at all.

Nope. Edmunds struggled this year, no question, but he’s not been Oliver-bad, ever, in my opinion. Oliver was the higher draft pick and has done far less in his time here.

I often find myself asking the wife to give the D a pass 🤣 In all seriousness... I’m sure not having Star did affect things, to some degree, but one thing I feel very confident in, it’s put up or shut up time for Oliver. Our defense needs him to take a step (wish I could’ve said “another” but I don’t feel like he’s developed much, as of yet.) Hopefully Star can absorb some OL attention and free Big Ed up, but that guy’s running out i of excuses. Defensive performance is all interconnected — DL play affects DB and LB play, etc., so hopefully getting him back, hopefully with a little added help through FA or the draft, will help everywhere.

I held off on listing Williams because he was one of the more hyped players coming into the season, and I think he probably goes higher than a lot of these other names, but no question, love his contested catch ability. Also just got out forgot Jordan Smith. Really love him too. He’s perfectly adept at both, but I think he’s better in the passing game. I won’t go so far as to say he’s Kamara-like as so often happens when guys can catch passes but he’s certainly not a liability in passing situations.

Yep. I'm a big believer in what's often called "breakout age" (but also other terms) -- basically when did this guy become a stud at his level -- that's often an indicator of success in the pros... Adebo was balling out as a freshman and sophomore in a pass-happy conference. If anything his early college career was even more special than later. If he checks out medically (and obviously stays healthy), somebody's going to get a 10-year starter out of him.

This post won't be for everybody and that's fine. But for those who enjoy discussing college prospects, who are the guys you're excited about that aren't getting talked about enough? I just made a post in H2O's Adebo thread that he's one of mine. A few others in no seriously particular order... RB: Jermar Jefferson -- phenomenal balance through contact, great vision, he's smaller but I think he can be effective in 3 down scenarios WR: Jonathan Adams Jr. Warren Jackson -- I've got a thing for big, bully WRs, what can I say -- everybody's got a type! OL: Pretty meh on this class after the first couple rounds Edge: Dayo Odeyingbo Rashad Weaver -- underratedly good/agile athletes with great bend. Josh Kaindoh Jenarius Robinson -- both of these guys have the body and athleticism to be pass rushing stars. Can somebody get that our of them? DL: Tadarrel Slaton -- posted about him earlier today, this is the guy we need to replace Star LB: Tony Fields II -- underrated athlete. Pretty impressive to transfer, immediately learn the defense and become an emotional and on-field leader as quickly as he did. Maybe never a star but I can see him doing something similar to Milano. Earnest Jones -- guy made plays all over in the SEC and tested out really well at his pro day. He's rated criminally low, in my opinion. CB: Adebo Keith Taylor Israel Mukuamu Benjamin St. Juste -- again, I have a type. Long, smooth, all solid technicians, willing tacklers. S: I'll be honest, I haven't even bother scouting safeties. What our staff has done with 2 former CBs makes me think they look for something different in CBs than a lot of staffs. That said, the duck fan in me believes that Deomo Lenoir would probably transition nicely to a ballhawking safety role. Who are yours???

I gushed about him in the "CB in the 1st round" thread. I really love this kid's game and fit in our scheme. I think @GunnerBill is way too low on him, but to each their own. I don't think there's a chance in hell he lasts to our 3rd round pick -- this is the type of kid that teams will be higher on than the draftnik community. Frankly I won't be shocked if he's gone before our pick in the second, but would be VERY happy with him at 62. He's a kid I can see Beane moving up in the 3rd for if he does slide that late, but again, I don't think he will. When you compare him to the guys in his same tier, most of them are "intriguing prospects", guys with "skyhigh upside", players who could really "develop into something" -- Adebo is already a rock solid cb with the athleticism, intelligence and body to have all the upside required in our scheme to be a phenomenal compliment to Tre. Give me Adebo over Trill, Melifonwu, Samuel, Molden, Robinson, Joseph, etc. He should be getting talked about with the likes of Stokes and Newsome and the fact that he isn't is mildly absurd to me.

This was mostly what I was going to say. Though I'd argue there IS a second wave, it just happens after the draft (and looks more like a ripple). I think this is as simple as teams are running out of cap space and all of the true difference makers are, by and large, off the board now. There's still talent left, but not a lot of guys who are so far above what a high-end rookie could be that you'd want to eliminate that flexibility. Our situation is a perfect example: sure, we could use a Carlos Dunlap or a Malcolm Butler, but what do we do then if, say, Kwitty Paye or Jaycee Horn fall to 30 for some reason? We'll see a trickle of activity here and there, but I'll be willing to bet you do see a smaller wave after teams know who they drafted and where they still need help.

Yep, exactly the type of guy you want to take Star's spot next year...

You're the first to mention Slaton (that I've seen), other than me on this board. I like him A LOT more than Wilson and think he'll be cheaper too...

I'm a little skeptical of Nas. Obviously you see the size/speed/length/versatility of a guy like Thomas Davis/Shaq Thompson, but those guys were special athletes. I have concerns about him being a little stiff for a guy we'd be playing closer to the LOS and something's missing with this picture... The league's headed in a direction where he should be an extremely highly coveted prospect but the draftnik world seems to see him as a mid-2nd round pick. So either we're off and the league has him a lot higher, OR , he's not quite what people want him to be, thus the non-elite grade. I've not watched enough of his tape to form a really strong opinion on him, but that's my general question/thinking. Marvin Wilson's an interesting one too... I can see him going in the 2nd or completely undrafted. Obviously a big recruit out of high school and when he flashes, HE FLASHES. But then there's HUGE stretches where he does absolutely nothing of impact. After what happened with Isaiah Wilson, I wonder if teams will take mental makeup, general approach to life a little more seriously. Wilson would make an intriguing 5th or 6th rounder for us, but I'd be willing to bet some team takes a risk on him a lot higher than that.

Nasildreen would be an interesting fit, Terry is an interesting developmental prospect. I think he's there for the DEs -- both of those guys have prototype size/length/athleticism and while we could certainly use an improved pass rush, we don't necessarily need a guy to come in and start from day 1 (we're good enough to "weather the storm" and allow a guy like that to potentially develop). Both great diamond in the rough candidates...

You obviously like JOK, and that’s fine. I agree that he’d add a really interesting dynamic to the defense. But I don’t see him as a 3 down player now that Milano is extended. He moves well, no question, but with a need at CB2, I think we’d be opening ourselves up for problems when teams spread us out. Beyond all that, my biggest point is just that your trade gives up way too much to replace Taron Johnson. When we’re still starting Knox, either Dane Jackson or Levi Wallace and relying on Addison for pass rush, that’s a luxury that we can’t really afford. We’ll obviously need development from Epanesa but you said it yourself, difference making DEs go early. We got Ep at the end of the 2nd round, and even if he does pan out, he’s limited athletically and Hughes isn’t getting any younger. I can definitely see Beane trading up, but I don’t see it being for a big nickel...