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Lol do some homework then. None of them are the second coming Bruce Smith but they’re all very talented pass rushers and great athletes. We would be extremely Lucky to land any of them.

At least one of ossai, paye and Phillips will be there in the teens.

I’m not sure Mayfield would even be in my top 5...

Sure we could use that kind of player, not to trade those picks up for it

WOAH! Hard pass on that trade value. Sorry mate but that’s a brutal trade. JOK’s fun and dynamic but that’s an absolute fortune to give up for a non-Kyle Pitts player. You can’t do that for a splurge spot with the amount of needs we still have.

“Second round pick” By whom? If it weren’t for Phillips’ concussion issues, he’d be a top 10-15 pick. He’s going to either be a first rounder or be off draft boards because of his concussion issues. Anyone who’s grading him in the 2nd probably shouldn’t be paid attention to because that’s bad. And Mock draft sites are not and should not be used as any sort of evidence of draft range except for in VERY broad terms — especially this far out. QBs will push the Kadarius Toneys and Wyatt Davises of the world down. They won’t push elite edge rushers down.

I'm biased against Molden in 2 ways. I prefer bigger DBs -- especially with Tre on the small side, and his dad was the duck legend and he chose to join the wrongest team in the nation. Those aside... great kid, very intelligent, good ball skills and instincts -- maybe a touch overagressive there, tough and not afraid of helping in the run game, plenty good enough speed to belong in the league, but probably will test as an average athlete, solid man and zone chops but probably better suited in man, the type of footwork and balance you'd expect from the kid of a former NFL DB, VERY confident without being cocky. His size and lack of elite length for that size will be his biggest detriment. If you can match him up against bigger/longer/box-out types, he'll have trouble. I think he'll have a good pro career but probably will never be great. I think he's primarily a slot guy in our scheme (when opposite Tre), so probably not the best fit, but as a player I think he's going to be solid. This is an interesting take, we're going to agree to disagree on CBs... I see at least 10 CBs that would walk right into that #2 cb spot...

Almost posted basically the exact same comment but it got too wordy lol Basically our "needs" are now: CB2, pass-rusher, NT, IOL, TE, RB and really none of them are dire (hence the parentheses). And maybe the best thing about each of those needs is that they can be depth/developmental needs -- not guys we're going to need to be stars right away. So while I'd LOOOOOVE an Ossai/Phillips/Paye, if we have to settle for more of a situational pass-rusher in the 5th (I've got my eye on Rashad Weaver and Kaindoh) -- a guy that might take a year or two to round out his game -- we can afford to do that. Same situation at RB, while you'd love an Ettiene, if you have to settle for a Kylin Hill or Jermar Jefferson, that guy's not going to need to tote the rock 25 times to start the season. Ditto for TE, NT, etc. I think it's perfectly okay to lean into the fact that we're really good already and can draft for ceiling, rather than immediate impact.

I get both sides of it... You want to love and support your guys, even if they're lesser than, and Wallace is a great story, so it'd be cool to see him succeed. Add to that that he performed admirably -- sometimes even well -- last season, and I'm not sure going into next season with him as CB2 would be cause to call it a year or anything like that. That said, yes, I definitely think he (and certainly Dane Jackson) can be upgraded. The good news is, our needs are shrinking by the day and there's a TON of CB talent between the FA pool and incoming draft class to help there.

Adebo killed his pro day today: Height: 6’1″ Weight: 198 lbs Forty-Yard Dash: 4.42 Seconds Vertical Jump: 36.5″ Broad Jump: 10’1″ Three-Cone Drill: 6.7 Seconds Twenty-Yard Shuttle: 4.09 Seconds Bench Press: 18 Reps at 225 lbs I think fans are sleeping on him. He'll go earlier than most think. His tape from a few years ago showed HIGH HIGH end talent...

Just saw that, thanks!

I don't mean he'll replace him literally, I mean he'll replace him schematically. The FB is a dying position, and this move -- to me -- feels like we'll see a bit of evolution of the offense. I think we'll see more one back sets with an H-Back, as opposed to a fullback. That help?

Maybe/maybe not. They're definitely different players. Said this in the Hollister thread, but I think Hollister will be more of an "evolved FB"/replacement for DiMarco, than just our straight-up TE2...

Another name I'd hope we're asking about... Foster Moreau. Had a great rookie year for the Raiders, then rode the pine behind Waller and Witten.

I kinda doubt it. This feels like more of a replacement for DiMarco. We'll see I guess...

Sure, hang onto him in case of emergency, but also don't let him be the direct backup. And trade him if any reasonable valued offer comes your way. But yeah, a 3rd Qb is probably more valuable for insurance purposes than, a backup long snapper. I just hope we don't ever plan on him becoming anything, because I sure don't see it happening...

I'm not understanding your argument, the Trubisky signing was a good one. Fromm will never be anything more than a low-level backup in the NFL.

Nope, I like the signing. To be more clear, I think Fromm is, was and will always be doodoo

Fixed.

We have bigger problems if we're counting on Fromm to backup Allen next season, so it's really the same either way.

As I've said in other threads, go watch Ertz' tape from last year. He can't run anymore (not that he was ever a + athlete to begin with). Super Bowl rings and past stats don't mean anything when you can't bring what you once did to a team. This is looking more and more likely, so I would love to be wrong, but I just do not see an impact player in Ertz anymore, and I'd suspect our FO is not expecting that either. Just my 2 cents...

FREE JOSH JACOBS!!!!! Seriously, I'd love to find out what the asking price is, this is insanity...

0 chance Nas or McNeil are there at the end of the 3rd...

We'll never know, so it's kinda moot in the end. I know Beane values relationships across the league, but GMs also know the game, they know how this all works. I can tell you if the situation were reversed, Howie wouldn't hesitate to lower the offer -- again -- IF we're truly the only team still in talks for Ertz -- another thing we'll likely never know for sure...

The decision isn't just "Ertz or no Ertz" in a vacuum though. We could sign Rudolph who's arguably going to contribute just or nearly as much as Ertz. Njoku looks very available, Darren Fells just got cut as will others... This is not a situation where we need to get bent over backwards, especially given Ertz' contract will need to be restructured and there's no guarantee (until he agrees to it) of what that number will be...