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11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
A list made by combining a bunch of arbitrarily selected measurements.
His tape is just not good.
No arguments here. Like I said he wouldn't be my pick, more ore less just see the thought process of leveraging our ability to coach DBs up...
Also just thought it'd be an interesting discussion (which it has been)... 15 days can't go by soon enough! LOL
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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:
He’s not a 1T imo
Very much not. He's a penetrator, and under 3bills, if I remember right. Maybe right around it? 1Ts need some more junk in their trunk.
Now if someone gave us a sweetheart offer for Oliver.........🤔
9 minutes ago, Augie said:Exactly!
Remember, guys like Milano and Diggs were 5th round picks, as was an all-time favorite Kyle Williams. Jason Peters was undrafted! Tom Brady....ok, sorry for bringing that up...
The draft is a crapshoot where the cheap talent comes from. We seem to draft better than most, take advantage of our strength. Trust Beane to know his board and get it right!
That does not mean we can’t trade up, just that we should trust our GM.
This is all 100% right, but it also doesn't account for our championship window, which is arguably now. 6 good, cheap players, would be great -- if they all made the team. But nobody will care if they're solid starters 3 or 4 years from now if we end up with 1 great player and they help us in a Super Bowl.
Again, it's all a balance... Like you said, trust the GM.
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7 minutes ago, Billl said:
Pioli loves himself some Pioli. Amazing how smart he wasn’t as soon as he left New England.
This has absolutely nothing to do with your post, but I had the honor of working with Scott for a couple years. I can honestly say he's one of the best people I've ever met. I hate the Pats with every fiber of my being (and told him so many times) but will always have a soft spot in my heart for that man, he's truly a genuinely good person.
1 minute ago, folz said:I think trading up is definitely a possibility (if there's someone they want). It makes a lot of sense. If you keep all of your picks, some of those guys probably won't even make the roster this year. And you're good enough now and deep enough now that you aren't looking to fill out your roster, but instead for a few select high-end players that can help you take the next step. And there are plenty of low-cost free agents still available if you just need depth.
The question is how high up could they go and is there a player there that they would be willing to give up the capital for. I think this year's picks are somewhat expendable, but I doubt that Beane wants to give up any high future picks to move up. So, that would limit how high we could get. I also don't think that Beane will part with his number two pick this year (just my opinion---I think they want to come away with at least a couple of guys that can help this year/right away). So, if you packaged your third round and 2 fifth round picks, that would only get you up to maybe 21. (For perspective, if the Bills gave up their entire draft this year---all 9 picks---that would only get them to about pick 14, according to the draft value chart.)
So, moving up is definitely a possibility if there is someone they like on the board, but I don't see us moving up more than say 10 picks (to the low 20s) at most. Any players in that range worth moving up for draftniks?
[But, again, who know...Beane is an unpredictable wizard.]
Always depends on how the draft is playing out, but I will not be at all surprised if Beane trades up in this draft.
I've made the case numerous times in my Kyle Pitts fever dream posts, but this year, more than most years, I think late-round picks will pan out to be much more equivalent in terms of success to earlier-mid rd. picks... If Beane could swing something like using a 3 and getting back a 5 or 6 to get the guy he really wanted, I think that'd be a really shrewd move (and I think Beane is that kind of shrewd, second/third-level thinker).
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10 minutes ago, Logic said:
Because teams have to plan beyond this year.
Smart front offices draft for the future, not just the present.
As Josh Allen and other young Bills get signed to big contracts, it will become more and more important for the Bills to rely on a pipeline of cheap labor.
Less picks = less cheap labor and less swings at players that can help the team.It's a balance. Beane has talked a lot about how important it is to get his guy. While he's not batting 1.000 moving up, I'm a huge believer in building strong opinions on players and sticking to them... Obviously depends on the situation, but if you're 3 picks away from your spot and there's a lot of "meh" out there and 2 guys that you feel strongly about, it's absolutely worth a small investment to get the guy you like. A prospect (that you like) in the hand is worth two (meh) prospects in the bush, if you will...
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Trade down is definitely the best and most likely approach at this spot.
That said, I put myself in a "what would I want them to do if they HAD to pick here" headspace and went with Etienne. Don't love it, don't hate it. See him making an impact but also would prefer DE or CB here...2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:Going with Ossai however this should trigger a trade down in real life to be honest.
but Ossai is probably the BPA at this point.
It's close between Ossai and Etienne for me, I go back and forth on them...
I think the tiebeaker for me is that there's some intriguing options a little later at EDGE, and I'm not really sold on many of the RBs after the big 3 and Sermon...
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1 minute ago, No_Matter_What said:
RB Travis Ettiene, Clemson
WR Kadarius Toney, Florida
WR Elijah Moore, Ole Miss
WR Terrace Marshall, LSU
OT Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma State
OT Jalen Mayfield, Michigan
OT Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame
DE Jayson Oweh, Penn State
DE Joseph Ossai, Texas
LB Zaven Collins, Tulsa
CB Tyson Campbell, Georgia
CB Eric Stokes, Georgia
Barf, my lap, from these options.......
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Just now, Victory Formation said:
Well, I hope you stick around after the draft my friend.
Thanks, I lurk and read almost every day. Just harder to be really tuned in to the day-to-day stuff on the other side of the country, so I'm generally less informed and opinionated than I am this time of year
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12 minutes ago, ROONDOGG55 said:
Just looked into Ellerson Smith. He could be available between 3-5. Small school guy with great stats, shined at the senior bowl, plus has excellent combine numbers. The dude is nearly 6'7 and has 83" wingspan as well.
"Northern Iowa Pro Day 2021: Elerson Smith, Spencer Brown showcase talent | PFN" https://www.profootballnetwork.com/northern-iowa-pro-day-2021-elerson-smith-spencer-brown-showcase-talent/
LOVE the "take off the jersey" players like that... Put a guy with those in a 'Bama uniform and even as a backup he's a 2nd or 3rd round pick. A lot to like about Elerson Smith!
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2 minutes ago, hjnick said:
buffalo trade down...
Yep, this is what just about worst case scenario for us looks like
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As a player, I have him as a mid/late 2nd round grade.
I think what needs to be considered though is:1. Our staff seems to be VERY good at identifying undervalued secondary talent
2. They also seem to be pretty solid at developing that talent
3. Meli is an absurdly different athlete
4. Per the tweet I posted, there appears to be a pretty dang good hit rate for big-bodied plus athletes at CB recently.
None of that means he'll be a success. It's also probably not the pick that I would make, but if its where the staff chose to go, I could understand it. You're taking a phenomenal athlete and hoping you can mold him into a phenomenal football player -- something they've shown a solid propensity for doing. And again, you have close to, if not a full season of "onramp" for him to develop into the player you're hoping he can become before you really NEED him to perform.
Whatever you think of Obi, he was without question an incredibly impressive athlete as well. Add to that, the fact that the Raiders (who drafted Obi) have almost nothing to show for the drafts between 2015-2018, in fact it's almost a 100% bust rate, which to me, speaks as much, if not more to the organizational culture and inability to develop talent, than it does the specific players that are (or in this case, are not) developing.
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I posted yesterday that I thought he'd probably be the next CB taken after Farley and Newsome...
I don't have him on my board that high, but I do believe that Buffalo has the luxury of being able to take a guy they can develop through the season with the logic that we're probably looking at a 10 or 11 win season even if we're not drafting immediate difference makers... If those guys can be difference makers by the time the playoffs roll around, it's a risk well worth taking.
Meli is raw, but in super rare company when it comes to body type and movement. Not a lot of misses on that list...-
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10 minutes ago, mannc said:
I simply cannot believe the Bills will be looking at an O-lineman at 30. They are set at OT and the interior is pretty strong, too. They will be looking for someone who will come in and contribute this year, which means WR, CB or possibly Etienne or an edge like Paye or Phillips if they slide to 30.
I think (from the list of players likely to be there) Teven Jenkins and AVT would be the only ones that would be worth considering, and only if you think you can drop them into one of the guard spots as a day-1 starter. Ford has potential as a guard, but we haven't really seen *it* from him there, yet. So if you're getting a guy who can play OT or OG and an improvement over the other guy who can (sort of) play OT and OG, next to the guy who can play OG and OC, I think you're building depth and flexibility really across the whole line with a minimal number of assets.
All that said, definitely think there are bigger needs to address.
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4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
But who are the corners and how certain can you be that they are good prospects? Samuel is a good prospect with low-end size that may limit him to slot - similar thoughts on Mouldin, the two Georgia CBs have great tools, but limited film and production. Talk me into a great CB pick at 30 - I want to believe.
Barring the obvious names at the very top, the only cb that would represent good value at 30 is Newsome. Melifonwu, purely from a “package” standpoint would probably be the guy after that (still pretty raw though). Molden is a nickel guy, pretty much exclusively, and with limited upside. Samuel would be *okay* value in the 3rd but even then he’d be underwhelming to me. To me, neither offer much, are very exciting prospects or feel like especially good fits for us.
There’s a big grouping of cbs in the mid-2nd to mid/late 3rd that would be looking at: Meli, Campbell, Adebo, Trill Williams, Kelvin Joseph, Stokes, Aaron Robinson, St. Juste, Marco Wilson, Shaun Wade, Mukuamu... If we end up drafting a cb, my guess is it’s in this range and very likely one of those guys.
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10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
God I hope we don't reach on him. Super limited ceiling to me... I'd be mildly interested if he fell to our 3rd rd. pick but other than that? Hard to imagine there won't be better players on the board...
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With the 13th pick, the Los Angeles Chargers select Rashawn Slater, LT, Northwestern. The Vikings @H2o on the clock
Took about 3 miliseconds to make this pick -- this is a run, don't walk to the podium kind of no-brainer pick. It's all about protecting QB1. While it'd be fun to reunite Penei Sewell with Herbert, Slater is a great consolation prize and the Chargers expect him to be a stalwart, protecting Justin's backside for the next decade.
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On 4/8/2021 at 5:04 PM, YoloinOhio said:
I'm not even sure I'd be excited to sign him as a UDFA....
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29 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:
There are some on this site that think he will fall to 10 and the Bills will move up to 10 to take him. Double fail.
Let's calm down on this... I haven't seen anybody say they think he'd fall to 10. At its most extreme all I've ever seen (and said) is along the lines of "it's potentially possible" or "not outside the realm of possibility". None of that is overstated -- you've got 5 QBs, a franchise LT (possibly 2) and a WR who are without question going in the top 10. In addition to that, each of the teams picking 6-10 -- Denver, Detroit, Carolina, Miami, and Dallas -- either a) have numerous needs, b) intrenched/young/pass-catching TEs, c) shown a disinterest in throwing to the TE in general, or d) some combination of those. 3 (arguably 4, but I'll digress on that one) of them need QBs to boot. The point being, it's not hard to rationalize how the draft order might be setup for Pitts to slide a bit.
Now, the draft is never rational, especially when it comes to unicorn players like Pitts, so yes, it's very unlikely that he'd fall to 10. And all of the above does not account for a team like Philly or LAC trading up for him. But can I see, maybe a 1% chance that teams opt to fill needs instead of take luxury pick like Pitts? Pretty easily, yes.
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3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
If so, how many grey hairs per second does Beane accumulate watching Stefon Diggs bungie-jump off of bridges and parachute jump out of planes?
Beane, himself, MIGHT have a burner acct. that he’s on occasionally, but absolutely, without question, there are lower level staffers that monitor player accounts.
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Would be pretty tempted to try and move back a couple picks with Oweh and Ossai on the board, but if it breaks that way I’d be very okay with “reaching” a little oh Ossai. All we need out of a DE pick this season is a guy who can develop long-term but go hunt in passing situations. That’s ossai to a tee!
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1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:
are you new here?
Been here forever, usually only pop up to post around the draft.
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I’ll say Tyler Shelvin. Not because he’s not talented, I just think 1T is highly replaceable and almost impossible to differentiate yourself in.
A 3rd on Shelvin feels like a waste when you can get a similar player in the 5th or 6th with a guy like Jones, Tonga or Slaton
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2 hours ago, glazeduck said:
Chargers, eagles, cowboys
Bump?
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Chargers, eagles, cowboys
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13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
God bless anyone who read thru all that.
Bushman is not "my player"........just pointing out that you are drawing a conclusion that has nothing to do with an actual evaluation of the player.
It's basically "all Jeff Tedford system QB's have disappointed in the NFL.........so that's just a no for me"..........there was indeed a string of dud QB's from JT's programs......but then came Aaron Rodgers.
It's not at all, actually. But I'm sure glad I put in the effort to explain it to you since you very clearly got absolutely nothing out of it. Why ask questions if you're not open to responses other than what you're looking for?
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Favorite Mock Draft...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Agreed. For me its TDN and everyone else is a ways behind.