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Just now, TheBeaneBandit said:
Perfect list. I'm on the trade up wagon just to be sure lol.
I’m sure Beane knows the cost and will have the phone ready, but the math looks pretty good to not have to...
-Any and all edge players won’t be considered (Ossai, Basham, Ojulari, Perkins, Robinson?)
-Left off guys I want no part of (Levi O, Carman, Mayfield, Samuel Jr.)
-Left off slot-only guys (Robinson and Molden)
-And there’s a number of guys I’m just kinda meh on: Cox, Cosmi, Amari Rogers, Grant, Campbell, Cisco, Bolton
-PLUS. I forgot to include Javonte Williams in the “guys I’d want” list
My list + williams is 19, and the guys I left off is well more than the 10 needed to get us to our pick. I feel pretty confident that we’ll have at least a few of my guys on the board...
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I’d be very happy with any of:
-Elijah Moore
-Rondale Moore
-Nico Collins
-Terrace Marshall
-JOK
-Baron Browning
-Creed Humphrey
-Landon Dickerson
-Wyatt Davis
-Tevin Jenkins
-Dillon Radunz
-Liam Eicenberg
-Pat Freiermuth
-Trevon Moerig
-Jevon Holland
-Kelvin Joseph
-Christian Barrmore
That’s 18 guys, chances are at least a couple will be available when we pick of that list I’d be most stoked with Joseph or Collins, I think.
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42 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:
Interesting, ok. I thought he checked a lot of boxes - versatility, young, raw, room to grow both physically and technique-wise. The proday didn't look elite though, you're right about that. It will be interesting to see who goes first between him and Oweh.
Yeah I think what I'm saying is separating what "I think the Bills will do" with "what I think of Rousseau" -- there's a TON of biases and assumptions that go into all of that.
As a draft nerd, I like Rousseau the player and certainly see a path to him becoming a VERY good football player. As a Bills fan, I can see a lot of reasons why he doesn't make a super logical fit, but a lot of that is also how I would build a team, it's entirely possible the FO is excited about the idea.
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1 hour ago, Utah John said:
I've been saying for a month that the Bills are drafting for the future. That's what Beane said in an interview just now. He's figured out what holes he'll have to address in 2022 and 2023, not in 2021 when he's got starters he likes all across the board already.
My personal choice, one that I see no one else mentioning, is a safety, to learn from Hyde and Poyer and to be prepared to step in when either of them loses the step that we all know they will lose eventually.
I think it's a need too. I also think, though, that they feel comfortable "finding" guys. Look at Poyer and Hyde, one was a castoff CB who'd struggled his first few years in the league and the other was a rotation player that the Packers could never quite figure out where to play him. I'm expecting a later rd. pick or two to be guys they think they can mold into an heir apparent.
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An S-ton of wings, a random assortment of light beer and chips probably as well.
Merry Draftsmas all!!!
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12 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:
We have no LB that can cover TEs. JOK would fill that void.
Here's my thinking about the "covering LBs" fear... There's maybe 6-8 in the league who are genuinely a threat: Kittle, Kelce, Waller, Pitts, Andrews... Maybe Geisicki? Irv Smith? Jonnu? Hockenson (sort of?)
Of those, we're markedly better than the Raiders, Pats, Lions, 49ers and wherever Pitts lands (barring maybe MIA), meaning even if they have a mismatch at that spot, we should be able to beat them elsewhere. So we're making a draft pick (trading up, no less), because we're concerned about a couple players who may or may not even be on our schedule year over year?
Don't get me wrong, I like the big Nickle idea, and see TE matchups as a need too, but if the decision is between a guy like Phillips, who will be able to make an impact every game, vs. a guy that's more of a situational type, I'll take Phillips every time.
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Just now, 4BillsintheBurgh said:
Why do you think that? I was just reading some of the quoted articles from his wikipedia page and while it didn't have too much about his personality it seemed to be good. Was a wr/s in high school, Miami had to convince him to get a nasty streak to play DE because they thought it would make him a better player.
Part scheme fit/part reading the tea leaves...
I think to get the most out of Rousseau he needs 30lbs and to be more of an interior DE -- a lot like Calais Campbell. I think that's a weird fit next to Epenesa who's a similar win with strength, motor, leverage, inside type. To me, more of a bendy win-around-the-edge guy makes more sense.
WRT to his personality -- I wouldn't say it's that, so much as a general disappointment in his testing. I know that's not all there is to a player, but when you've only got 1 year of college tape/production and then you sit out the next season, there's just not a lot to go off of. If I can't see that he's been working his butt off for his professional interview, I just have to question what he HAS been doing... I think Rousseau falls a lot farther than some think.
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1 hour ago, TroutDog said:
I’m a little confused with all of the discussion around ‘perfection’. Trust was the question and I firmly trust this group.
There is not one single FO that is perfect so using that as a bar is silly as far as I’m concerned.
They have taken a team that hadn’t been to the playoffs in 17 years and were in the AFC championship last year. How does anyone NOT trust them?If you're referring to the disagreement between Royale and me -- I'm not demanding perfection. For some reason, he feels comfortable arguing with me over what MY opinion is. It's not about perfection. It's about being able to see what was coming and being disappointed that my favorite team also did not see that.
Think about it this way, you're dying for a burger when you and your friend go out for lunch. Instead, your friend insists on ordering you the fish (which you thought looked awful) AND the soup (which you were very unsure of), instead. And when it comes, you hate it and are bummed you didn't get the burger. That's how I feel. I wanted to get the burger. We needed a burger DESPERATELY. That burger fit exactly what I was wanting. But I didn't get to make the call. I -- regardless of how Royale w/ Chz and anyone else feels about the menu -- get to be p*ssed that we passed on the burger. It makes it worse when what I got was ALSO things that I specifically felt negatively about.
"As bad as it can get" is obviously hyperbole. Why he felt the need to drag this thread into a pointless argument is, frankly, a little embarrassing, but I digress.
Do I trust the FO, implicitly. Do I reserve the right to be disappointed in their decisions, based on my opinions of players? 100% (especially if their names rhyme with "Croissante Pamuel Brunior")
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2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:
Guaranteed perfect mock ...
Thanks for bumping this! I looked for it yesterday but wasn't able to find it...
1. JAX- Trevor Lawrence
2. NYJ- Zach Wilson
3. SF- Mac Jones
4. ATL -- trade to DEN- Trey Lance
5. CIN- Penei Sewell
6. MIA- Pitts
7. DET- Ja'Marr Chase
8. CAR -- trade to NE- Justin Fields
9. DEN -- trade to ATL- Patrick Surtain II
10. DAL- Jaycee Horn
11. NYG- Devonta Smith
12. PHI- Jaylen Waddle
13. LAC- Rashawn Slater
14. MIN- Jayson Oweh
15. NE -- trade to CAR- Christian Darrisaw
16. ARZ- Alijah Vera-Tucker
17. LV- Teven Jenkins
18. MIA- Kwity Paye
19. WFT- Michah Parsons
20. CHI- Greg Newsome II
21. IND- Sam Cosmi
22. TEN- Rashod Bateman
23. NYJ- Najee Harris
24. PIT- Landon Dickerson
25. JAX -- trade to BUF- Jalen Phillips
26. CLE- Joe Tryon
27. BAL- Zaven Collins
28. NO- Jerimiah Owusu-Koramoah
29. GB- Eliajah Moore
30. BUF -- trade to JAX- Greg Rousseau
31. BAL- Terrace Marshall Jr.
32. TB- Christian Barmore
Bills' Slate:
1. Jaelan Phillips
3 (from JAX). Ifeatu Melifonwu
3. Kenny Gainwell
5. Ihmir Smith-Marsette
5. Bobby Brown III
6. Charles Snowden
7. Mike Strachan
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Just now, 4BillsintheBurgh said:
I'm going with Rousseau
I don't think Rousseau's a McBeane type, personally.
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Less a crush, more a prediction, but I've been saying that we trade up in the 1st for the guy we want. Simply a WAG, but the value at the end of 2 is as weird as it is as one. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised for that trade to be swapping our 2 for another 3...
With 2 3s I think there's good depth at WR, CB, TE, OL, big Nickle and 1T -- conveniently all of our biggest needs.
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I've said for a couple of days and continue to feel stronger and stronger about this... We'll trade up for whoever we want -- probably in the early 20s. Best guess of players (in a rough/guessed priority order: Phillips, Paye, Jok, Farley Newsome).
1 minute ago, Logic said:
I'm on the west coast. Still drinking my cup of coffee.
The good news is that I only have to wait until 5pm my time for the draft, rather than 8pm.I love being on the WC for the draft, it lines up so nicely with my day
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2 hours ago, mannc said:
No, it’s Avery Williams.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4048259/avery-williams
And I’ve been informed by some of the haters here that he’ll be available as UDFA. They’re wrong.
Very wrong. EVERY team is excited about this kid, he'll be gone by the end of the 5th, I'll bet.
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3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
You don't need to be a fan of every team to understand hits and misses in drafts.
Not drafting Metcalf over Oliver/Ford isn't "as bad as it can get". You could literally hold it against the Bills every single year if we use your philosophy.
That's not what this thread is about. We're Bills fans, we're talking about the BILLS' pick. This isn't a 2019 NFL draft hindsight retrospective.
I had Metcalf as a high first round talent, thought Oliver would underperform as a top 10 pick and thought Ford was a tweener. So far I'm 3-3 on those. FOR ME, as a Bills fan, draft fan and armchair talent evaluator -- passing on the guy we needed TWICE for two guys I wasn't excited about, in the context of the question posed in the OP -- IS as bas as it can get.
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9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
This happens to every team. Metcalf dropped and was passed on 32 times so you can't just hold it against the Bills. The Cards took Andy Isabella and the Pats took N'Keal Harry over Metcalf and they were desperate for WR help....that stings even more.
Huh? I’m a bills fan, not an “every team” fan. We had a need, and a truly generational player was there to fill that need. Of course I can hold it against the team I root for for for not taking him. That’s silly.
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Do I trust them? Yes. Have they been a big reason why we’re competitive now? Yes.
if they make a pick that I disagree with will I learn to like it? Probably not. I trust my evaluation ability. The Oliver/Ford over Metcalf debacle is looking about as bad as it gets and in haven’t “learned to like it”. My hope is that I’ll at least be able to see the line of thinking that led them to whatever decisions they make.
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I've settled into the perspective of just not wanting us to botch the pick.
I have my favorites (Phillips/Farley/Newsome/Paye in a trade up, Ossai/Oweh/either Moore in a trade back, JOK/Harris/Etienne if we stay put), but at this point, I think it's just about making a good pick.
I don't want guys with limited upside (Asante Samuel Jr./Basham/Toney), guys who are weird scheme fits without rearranging other deck chairs (Barmore/Ojulari [torn on him]/Jamin Davis/Collins/really any OL)
Don't screw it up, I'll be at least mildly satisfied.
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7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
Fair enough. I think NE would be just about the best place Fields could end up outside of San Fran.
Fields has all the tools, and elite athleticism. I'm just not sold that he has the clutch gene.
Agreed about Fields’ talent, but don’t believe the clutch gene is a thing. It’s all training how you make use of the 24 hrs you’re given everyday, in my book.
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7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
I'd take Lance at #2. But the Jets are stupid and locked in on drafting the next Darnold.
I hope Lance goes to the Bears at #20, and really hope he doesn't end up in NE.
Lance ain't getting out of the top 10 -- maybe not even the top 5...
I think Fields is the one we have to worry about getting to NE.
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10 minutes ago, H2o said:
I would be even more disappointed with Oweh and that was my other thought as to the direction the Bills might go. I know we've had a couple of meetings with Samuel so I put him there instead.
I'm certainly not high on Oweh either, but at least to me, he's got a high ceiling. Can't say as much for Samuel... It's just really a deadzone for our needs. I'm fairly convinced at this point that we trade up for one of Phillips, Paye, Farley or Newsome OR if we just get completely shut out of those guys, will move back.
Could obviously be any of the 32 teams and/or his agent, but I find all of the news around Farley all of a sudden to be pretty interesting. Obviously a lot of it is smoke and BS but there's absolutely nuggets (or at least currents) of truth interwoven in what's being put out over these last 2 days...
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21 minutes ago, H2o said:
Alright, the final one this year. Full 1st Round and then a full Bills mock at the end.
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Lot of work to put this together, nice job. Really only 3 thoughts:
- I have a very hard time seeing Denver pass on not 1 but 2 potential QBs of the future for a LB.
- I think PIT is a virtual lock to go OL
- I'll be super disappointed if its Samuel at 30. It's buying the last car on the lot because we don't want to go to another...
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I'd be willing to take Ossai at #30 but all the rest except Diablo would be on my day 2 list.
Those are all day 2 crushes for me, ideally. But with you on ossai.
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1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:
Dynasty is a bit strong of a term for what Beane and McDermott are in the process of building.
Lets all remember if it wasn't for the vision of those 2 men we would not be in the position to have this discussion in the first place.
They are here for another 5 years and have what seems to be a good plan that I personally am happy to watch unfold.
It's draft week and there is a lot of armchair GM talk about what the Bills NEED to do. I'll wait till Thursday and Friday to see what happens.
For my money I will be SHOCKED if there is this huge move up in the 1st round by the Bills.
I'm all for trusting the FO and the process. I guess I'm not clear on what your point is... You said you didn't want to win a SB if it meant falling to obscurity shortly thereafter, so I assumed you'd rather they just try to remain competitive for the foreseeable future? The reality is that no team is every going to nail 100% of their picks and develop each of them perfectly, this isn't Madden. 31 teams "fail" every year.
All I'm saying is that at some point, if we want to win a championship, we're probably going to have to make a big swing.
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4 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Brandon Beane disagrees (and so do I).
You're entitled to your opinion, and as I've already stated in this thread, while the premise is solid, it's simply untenable. That said, the history of professional sports is littered with small market teams that had dynastic aspirations and fell short. We played in 4 straight super bowls, meaning we were one of the 2 best teams for four consecutive years, and yet the only talking points from those years are our losses in the SB or the winners.
It's great to want to be a dynasty, it's another thing to achieve it (as my favorite saying goes: "wish in one hand, 💩 in the other, see which fills up first".) All I'm really saying is that AT SOME POINT, history shows that teams on the brink (especially without the benefit of a larger market/glitz & glam/opportunistic tax benefits) who take a big swing are rewarded more often than teams who just consistently try to remain competitive for an extended period of time.
This seems especially true in this era of massive QB contracts -- people talk about how our window is huge because Josh is only 24, but that's not the whole picture. Our window closes some when he signs a massive extension, because of the limitations that puts on the rest of the roster. We'll likely remain relevant and competitive, but our BEST window is these next 2 years while Josh is on his rookie deal.
Nobody remembers teams for just being good, they remember them for winning a championship. Hoping when the time and opportunity is right, Beane's not afraid to take that big swing...
Round 2 picks
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yikes. Outside of Davis, that's a list of guys I'd be VERY upset at drafting.