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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He is average at everything. Give me a back who does 1 thing really well rather than the sort of jack of all trades master of none. Like if he is there in round 4 - fine. If he goes before that? Pass.
Average might be a bit generous. There's absolutely nothing interesting or notable about Spiller.
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14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
You had Fehoko and Imatorbhebhe backward.
Alright this is getting borderline creepy. I went through all 10 pages of this thread and I made 3 comments about Imatorbhebhe. For some reason you're still on one about Fehoko, who, despite getting drafted, will do absolutely nothing in the NFL.
Knowing everything we know now, I'd still take JI's athleticism over Fehoko. Time to get off this debate though because it's likely they'll both end up being absolutely nothing in the league.
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2 minutes ago, Rigotz said:
I'm all for betting on traits instead of production, but this guy lacks serious traits outside of straight-line speed, RAC, and height.
Bingo. Traits should lead to production, especially when his QB is a top 5 pick.
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40 minutes ago, Vickveto said:
I think averaging 20 yards a catch for your career average is dominate to me.
Having watched more than my fair share of 1-AA football, and comparing "dominant" there, to the NFL, I'm going to strongly disagree.
I am not exaggerating when I say that every one of us comes into contact on a regular basis with people who could start at that level, hell, my neighbor DID, and he's 5'6 and (then) was 185lbs.
Unquestionably Watson is an intriguing target, but I just don't feel like it's a risk we need to take, given our current setup. We cannot afford to whiff on our first round pick this year. We just can't. And Watson could very easily be a whiff -- there's plenty to suggest that it's well within his range of outcomes.
8 minutes ago, NewEra said:I agree with this. That’s said….as a fan, I’d be happy with Watson, Dotson or Pickens, especially if we land a vet corner.
There's a reason why I took Pickens in the board mock in the first. I think he's got a very real chance to be the best WR in this draft. If the question were him or Watson at 25, it's him by a country mile (then Dotson, then several more country miles, then Watson).
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15 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
Who was his QB in college, though? Now imagine Josh Allen throwing to him...👍
I would take him over Olave...
That Trey Lance guy... He was pretty good in college, if I recall...
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1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:
Give me Jahan Dotson 1000x before Watson, at least in Round 1. If we wait until Round 2, Watson would be a nice trade up candidate.
Dotson is the 2nd best deep ball WR in this class, and if you watch him play, reminds of AB (w/o the drama).
I don't know about trading up for Datson either, BUT, he's a FAR safer prospect than Watson, so certainly with you on that end...
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1 minute ago, Vickveto said:
He was the best wide receiver at the senior bowl. He is more than height/weight/speed
That's great. He's a 5th year college player who -- IN A LOWER DIVISION -- never averaged more than 3 1/2 recs a game in any of his seasons. The Sr. Bowl is a handful of games where he was one of the oldest players there. His 5 year career in college, again, in a lower division, shouldn't be ignored...
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There's a lot to like, physically. It's fair to wonder though, why he didn't absolutely dominate in lower division CFB. That's what's keeping me from getting fully onboard. NFL draft history is littered with tons of height/weight/speed freaks who couldn't play WR.
At 25 he'd be a pass for me. Moving down (or up from our 2) and he'd be more interesting...
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think he is great value at this spot.
Yep, best player still on my board...
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Getting this thread back on track after yesterday's madness...
Call this an anti-sleeper, if you like, but Jalen Wydermyer is absolutely worth a late round dart throw. There's plenty to be concerned about with this kid, and it's probably not unfair to say he's likely to be nothing in the pros, but clearly there is (or was) something there. Maybe he needs to grow up? Maybe he was hiding an injury? Maybe he doesn't actually love the game, or to the point that the above link makes, maybe he's just not in peak physical shape and/or didn't refine his testing techniques. Any/all of those could be true, but if you can untap his potential, he could be an absolute bargain with a 6th or 7th round pick.
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1 hour ago, FFadpecr said:
You miss the point.
Strong = Franchise QB
Allen = Franchise QB
All the other guys are not NFL Franchise QBs.
I am not saying Strong will be as good as Allen; I am saying Strong will come out of this draft as an NFL Franchise QB; those other guys you mentioned will not, just like Baker/Darnold/Rosen did not.
The NFL comparison for Carson Strong is a clutch Carson Palmer.
Carson Palmer was an NFL Franchise QB. Go back and look what Palmer did with Bruce Arians and the Cardinals. That's Strong in the NFL, especially with Carroll.
For probably the 10th time, you're clearly very convinced with all of this, why not put some money behind it? Or at the very least, please stop talking to everyone else like we're the ones who look crazy, when you're coming here with the NFL Draft version of screaming "lizard people control the world".
Like Gunner said, we're as convinced that you're wrong as you're convinced that you're right. -
With the 49th pick in the 2022 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select Trey McBride, TE, Colorado State.
OT or DL could be considerations here, but we'll instead opt for the best player at TE, adding another weapon in both the run game and the passing game for A-Arodg.
The Bucs (Sherlock Holmes) are now on the clock...
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@FFadpecr I'll give you props for having a solid opinion on this. I'm a big believer in needing to have confidence in your draft opinions. I've been very outspoken over the years here on Tebow, DK, Zach Moss, Ed Oliver and others, so props to you for your conviction.
That said, the fact that you're unwilling to even acknowledge my bet offers leads me to believe you're either doing an elaborate troll job here, or, more likely, not as convinced as you're projecting (using a random intern suggesting they take him in the 2nd isn't helping your case either). -
Just now, LyndonvilleBill said:
LOL. Don't have a dog in this fight, but thought it was funny to use that to support an argument for a top 10 pick.😁
From a random intern, no less.
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11 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:
You're going off on a tangent and missing the forest from the trees in the process. You're lost on this topic.
Pete Caroll LITERALLY JUST GAVE AWAY RUSSELL WILSON AND HAS HAD FRICTION WITH HIM FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
He did that for one reason: to start fresh with his own prototypical hand-picked QB, which is Carson Strong.
Exactly.
BIG players.
Ifedi = Big OL
LJ Collier = Big LB
Pete Carroll is an old-school Coach who covets big players with size.
Richard Sherman = Big Corner
Byron Maxwell = Big Corner
Kam Chancellor = Big Safety
DK Metcalf = Big WR
Damien Lewis = Big Guard
Gabe Jackson = Big Guard
Germain Ifedi = Big OL
Marshawn Lynch = Big RB
Chris Carson = Big RB
Rashad Penny = Big RB
Carlos Dunlap = Big DE
LJ Collier = Big LB
Drew Lock = Big QB
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Carson Strong = Big QB (6'4", 226 pounds)
Cherrypicking is fun isn't it?
Tyler Locket = tiny at any position
Russell Wilson = tiny qb
Bruce Irvin = tiny DE
Britt = tiny OL
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3 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:
I already edited my post before u even responded. Reread:
Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets Size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.
It's why he soured on Russell Wilson over the last few years. Back in 2012, the Seahawks GM took a 3rd round flyer on Wilson, but he was never truly "Pete Caroll's guy" - it just so happened that Wilson beat out Matt Flynn, was their best option at the time, and once he became QB, he kept winning so he kept his job. But there has always been friction between Carroll and Wilson - Wilson is a small undersized QB and that is not what Carroll likes or wants.
This is getting ridiculous. So Pete, who somehow has always secretly hated Russell Wilson because of his size, put the Super Bowl in that man's hands -- INSTEAD OF ONE OF THE BEST GOAL LINE BACKS OF ALL TIME -- because... why exactly?
You've made your point, I've made mine. Let's have one of us make some money off of it since you're somehow so sure. I think you're beyond hot-takey at this point, but we'll find out in a few weeks.
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17 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:
Pete Carroll loves BIG players with prototypical size. He's an old-school Coach who covets size - "Big people beat up little people" is what he ascribes to.
Who is the old-school prototype QB in this draft? 6'4" 226 pound Carson Strong, that's who.
Richard Sherman = Big Corner
Kam Chancellor = Big Safety
DK Metcalf = Big WR
Damien Lewis and Gabe Jackson = Big Guards
Chris Carson and Rashaad Penny = Big RBs
Carlos Dunlap = Big DE
Drew Lock = Big QB
We just going to pretend like Russell Wilson and Tyler Lockett never played for the Seahawks?
Your points are all over the place with this. The Seahawks didn't draft MOST of the players you're referencing. Carlos Dunlap was traded for because they needed pass rushing (and is, at best, perhaps an above-averagely sized DE), Drew Lock was traded for because they need a warm body at QB not because of his size (also kinda defeats your "Carson Strong will beat him out" point if you're also using him as an example of a Pete Carroll type player); Chris Carson and Penny's most significant FLAWS are their size (Carson's because he's such a big target and Penny's size is because he's always in terrible shape); Gabe Jackson and Lewis have been... maybe passable for the Seahawks? So again, not like going with the big guys is really working out super well there.
EDIT: I'll also add that many in Seattle are urging Pete to retire because he's refused to evolve his football philosophies, so I have a VERY hard time believing that they're going to let him screw up that pick from trading their franchise QB with another player that fits that old school mold...
So like I said, put your money where your mouth is if you're so certain. Maybe the Hawks trade down later to take Strong, I don't think your logic is completely inconceivable, but the absolutely will not be taking him at 9.
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1 minute ago, FFadpecr said:
Wrong.
The Seahawks traded away their HOF QB for the #9 overall pick in this year's draft specifically for this player in particular.
If you know Pete Carroll, you know this is the kind of QB he falls in love with.
Strong will compete with Drew Lock and easily beat him out.
#9 overall to the Seattle Seahawks.
I'm more than a little familiar with Pete Carroll. As am I with this draft class.
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5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think there might well be a case for that. But equally if you asked me of that list who might be out of the NFL before he has completed his 4 year rookie deal, I think there is an argument that is Woolen too. I like him as a prospect. I just think #57 is too rich for my tastes with someone so boom and bust.
Completely fair. I trust our staff though, they've hit enough home runs with guys like him that it's a pick I'd be excited about. I like Woolen but I also DO NOT like, well, just about every other player on that board, at the value, so there's some of that coming into play too...
Entirely unrelated to my rantings and ravings about Tariq Woolen -- There's 11 or so votes that I think are just completely wasted. That's fun too...
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35 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:
QB Carson Strong
Best QB in this draft class by a mile. A true NFL Franchise QB.
NFL comp: Carson Palmer with the clutch gene
Draft ceiling: #6 to Carolina
Likeliest destination: #9 to Seattle
Draft floor: #11 to Washington
Top 11 pick next month.
I like Strong, he's a target of my in dynasty. That said, I don't think there's any way he goes top 11 in the draft. Possibly late 1 in a trade up (or Lions) scenario, early-to-mid 2 feels much more likely.
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49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Personally I still think round 2 is high for Woolen. And I was a guy talking about him before he blew up the combine when I definitely thought he was being overlooked.
I get the argument about physical potential and traits, I do, and I see the argument of him being a Beane type in that regard. But there are big flaws that need correcting on the tape. And they are the sort of flaws McDermott hates: 1. He is not a particularly good tackler, especially in run support; 2. He plays with his back to the Quarterback way too often. He is the sort of guy I can well imagine Beane and Gaine and whoever else is calling the shots now having a 2nd on and when McDermott, Frazier and Butler watch the film he gets bumped down.
I was pretty much with you on McDuffie, I wouldn't say hated, but it was not a pick I liked. But I am just more wary of Woolen. He is kind of a lottery ticket for me. He probably wouldn't last to our third rounder, but I just can't comfortable with him at #57. His floor is too low. I think long term he might be a safety (which I think you alluded to as well, if not maybe someone else did) but even there I think it is going to take some time.
All that said..... I agree that is NOT a particularly good looking list for the Bills. In this scenario if they wanted to slide out of the 2nd altogether... just spitballing but Atlanta gives you #74 and #82 to move up and take a Quarterback at #57.... then I could get comfortable with a version of your end of round 1 strategy where you move back take Woolen and a swing on whoever the highest ceiling receiver left is.
Woolen is far from a finished product, no question. But again I think you have to take everything into context...
- Tre's coming off a major injury (best to buy him time)
- Dane is...meh (called that one last year)
- We're good enough to -- at worst -- remain competitive while Woolen develops and Tre recovers, especially with McDuffie also on board (blech)
- The rest of the board, as you've mentioned does not break out well for us
- We can't trade down in this bizzaro world (agree with you that a move down in real life, here, would probably be the best setup, especially since I don't think Woolen lasts this long in real life)
- We're in a world where offenses are using more 3, 4 and 5 wide sets and pass catching TE/RB threats, so more DBs will never be a bad thing
- We're also in a world with a longer schedule now. Depth is increasingly important, so adding to our most glaring weakness (especially when juxtaposed against this era of offenses) is also not a bad idea
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Our staff has a track record of:
- developing DBs
- getting the most out of raw athletes new to their positions
If you're looking at that board and asking who will make the biggest day 1 impact, Tariq Woolen might not be in the top 50 for that answer. But when you factor all of the above in (perhaps foremost being letting Tre progress slowly and completely) and you ask the question, who on the board could make the biggest impact on Super Bowl Sunday... I think there's a strong case that it's Woolen (to say nothing of farther into the future...)
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11 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:
Who is your 2nd choice beyond Woolen
With this board and without being able to trade, it's Walker and no one else is close.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for double dipping at CB as a strategy, merely that that's the best course of action in this particular situation.
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2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:
I do like your way of thinking… Watson might be my favorite WR in this draft…Walker, Anderson and Woolen are also in my Top 10. I don’t like the mode of thinking that we need a CB so we have to take the highest ranked CB with 1st pick. Then we need an OL next so we have to take the highest ranked OL with 2nd pick. I wanted Allen well before the draft… I wanted Metcalf when we took Cody Ford. Upside wins not being conservative.
I was one of the few who was completely okay with taking DK over Oliver, so right there with you (don't get me started on Ford...). I don't like McDuffie, both because he's a Husky (which might as well be a swear word in my house) but also because I think he's pretty tapped out. He might be a low-end CB1 but I think much more likely to be an average CB2 if not maybe an above average slot guy. That's not worth a 1 to me.
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3 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:
I want a Superbowl.. A top shelf RB like Walker gets us closer. I do like Woolen but that is overkill since we already took McDuffie in achieving it.
Agree to disagree. RBs are VERY replaceable, top end athlete CBs aren't. Also adding multiple CBs allows Tre an abundance of time to get right.
In our window, we shouldn't be drafting for what the player can do for us day 1, we should be drafting for what they could do for us in the Super Bowl, and to me, Woolen does a lot more in that frame of mind as well...
Again though, I wouldn't hate Walker.
Who’s the ONE guy you want the Bills to draft no matter what? 2022 version
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Different take on this question... While I agree that WR is a need, I think it's also so deep, like, historically deep, that it would behoove us to wait until the 3rd or 4th to take one. In no particular order, Khalil Shakir, John Metchie III (probably goes in the 2nd), Calvin Austin III, Justyn Ross, David Bell, Jalen Tolbert, Wan'Dale Robinson, Bo Melton and Tyquan Thornton would all be interesting.
Of that list, I'm w/ @Gunner in prioritizing outside WRs if possible, so Ross, Tolbert and Bell would be at the top...