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3 minutes ago, MJS said:
Fields is going to be drafted very high, I think. And I am not totally convinced that the Jets are taking Wilson. They very well could take Fields, or even Lance.
The media can say what the media wants. Doesn't mean that teams feel the same way.
Sometimes, I think this is right on. In this case, I think the media is talking about Wilson to the NYJ because they haven't really hid their intentions there. The whole world knows Lawrence is going #1 and JAX isn't moving out of that spot. Assuming NYJ and Wilson is accurate, there's no real reason to try to move around the draft board if they've decided he's their guy, so also no real reason to throw smoke or hide your intentions.
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Forgot Baron Browning. He's intriguing...
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3 minutes ago, MJS said:
Sure. So what should happen when you face lesser competition? You should dominate them, and he did.
I'd say go watch some tape of him. He made great decisions and great throws most of the year. His pro day was pretty awesome.
But yeah, he had a really good oline and played lesser opponents. It's hard to know how that translates.
Lesser opponents who had almost zero chance to scout/prepare/scheme. That's what's being lost in all of this -- this wasn't JUST Wilson and a bunch of older players beating up on younger, lower-talent guys, it was Wilson and a bunch of older players beating up on younger, lower-talent guys who had almost no chance to do hardly any preparation for them. It was the perfect setup for Wilson to shine, and yes, he did just that. But he won't have that benefit in the NFL.
Compare that to Fields, who had as much, if not more, success over multiple years, against more talented competition, in settings where the more talented defense had a chance to scheme and prep for those offenses, in bigger games; is a better athlete.....
The only "answer" I can come up with is that Wilson is the shiny new toy and Fields' performance has become boring and expected...
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2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
I'd love Eskeridge with our 3rd rounder as to me he is McKenzie/John Brown/Andre Roberts all rolled up into one.
I'll be more than a little surprised if he's still there at our 3.
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1 minute ago, DCOrange said:
I'm definitely rooting for Mills. Of the QBs I watched, I think he made 2 of the top 3 or 4 throws I saw. At his highest moments, it looks like Philip Rivers out there; throwing balls with absurd anticipation and putting just the right touch on it to get the ball up over the LBs and underneath the safeties. But his lows are so low and it just scares me seeing this dude with a bulky knee brace moving around so awkwardly. I try to ignore injuries in my grading and just stick to grading the skillset, but it looks to me like his knee is still affecting his play.
The brace might be affecting him a little, in terms of planting/driving, etc. but he's never going to be a plus athlete -- with or without it -- so I don't think it's too big of a deal. In my evals, I try to incorporate what I know/can find out about the program for context, and the Stanford program and the P12 as a whole have been a complete dumpster fire during his tenure as a starter, so that certainly muddies things for me. Definitely hits some big-time throws and he has enough arm talent to be a pro (though I don't think that's necessarily a + attribute for him), and you can see some good processing from him too -- but like you said, a lot of bad too. In a league that was behind the rest of CFB (so playing more simplified defenses) I would've hoped to see a lot more highs from a guy who's an NFL starter.
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In order of crushiness...
Nico Collins
Joseph Ossai
Kelvin Joseph
Wyatt Davis
Devine Diablo
Dwayne Eskridge
Paulson Adebo
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Just now, DCOrange said:
I'm still hoping to get through Kellen Mond and maybe Jamie Newman, but my grades on the QBs that I've scouted this year:
- Trevor Lawrence - 96 - lock to be a franchise QB
- Justin Fields - 87 - Top 15 pick, skeptical he ever reaches his ceiling (being a top 10 QB) but think he's a high floor, high ceiling guy.
- Trey Lance - 86 - Top 15 pick, lower floor and slightly lower ceiling than Fields, but should still be at worst a below average starter and has a pretty high ceiling
- Zach Wilson - 81 - Late 1st round pick, just don't think he has the potential to be an elite QB; I have his ceiling as a less mobile Kyler Murray.
- Mac Jones - 76 - 3rd round pick, I think he most likely settles in as a backup. Ceiling to me is Brad Johnson.
- Davis Mills - 75 - 3rd round pick, higher ceiling than Mac Jones but I'm skeptical he'll get there. If I had to bet, I'd say he's fighting for a roster spot in a few years; he just doesn't look healthy to me but he does do some special stuff.
- Kyle Trask - 67 - 6th-7th round pick, I just don't see it at all. I think his ceiling is Kyle Orton and his floor is a practice-squad guy.
This is my list too. I'd have Fields and Lance a touch higher (pts. wise) and Wilson a touch lower.
I have Mond at 6. And I think he and Jones are back-of-league starters/Mills is a backup, but maybe a higher end backup...
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11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I think Fields is being slightly over thought - yes. Though obviously the medical concern about his epilepsy is a factor too.
But frankly I think QBs #2, #3 & #4 in this class are all really close. It comes down to scheme fit and style preference for me. And then obviously it will come down to how each team supports and develops their guy.
The Epilepsy thing is certainly weird, but it didn't stop him from becoming the #1b prospect in high school and an elite athlete and QB at the highest highs of CFB. I think you could even argue (and why his agent isn't, is beyond me) that the fact that he was managing something like Epilepsy WHILE excelling means he has the maturity to be the face of your franchise, but I digress...
Wilson made some great throws, and Lance has just drool-inducing potential. I get both of those. But Fields has literally done everything asked of him since high school. He happened to be born in the same year as one of the highest rated prospects ever, and he's kept on his heels the whole way. Why a guy who hasn't done it yet, and another who did it in incredibly bizarre circumstances has jumped him is both beyond me and also makes me think that he's very much being taken for granted at this point.
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2 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:
Betteridge's law of headlines: any headline that ends with a question mark can be answered by the word "no."
Key word there being "can". In this case, the answers are "yes". Fields is going to end up being the steal of this draft, even if he goes 4 overall (where I happen to think he'll go). That he's being passed over by Mac Jones and Wilson is absolutely absurd to me...
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This means 2 things to me, neither of which have anything to do with Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields...
- The media has run out of legitimate talking points to discuss pre-draft.
- The media (or at least NFLN) is convinced the 49ers are now taking Mac Jones.
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55 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:
He can play either. If the Bills feel he's committed, he'd be a great pick.
Like Gunner said, there’s maybe a few subpackages that he’d be fine there, but we’re in trouble if he’s out future 1T.
I’m not a huge believer of Oliver so I wouldn’t hate the pick, but I don’t think it happens with a significant 1T intention in mind (or, at all).
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I've suggested something somewhat similar, but going up to 4 is too much. We have too many reasonable-sized needs and simply can't afford to ignore them completely like this.
At one point it was at least debatable that he could slide near or into the teens -- at which point I agree, if you can get a couple late picks back, putting 1, 2 and 3 together would've been worth it because there's a halfway decent chance that those late picks would have similar outcomes as the 2 and 3, but it's just not feasible to get all the way up to 4 and fill the holes we have at edge, CB, OL, etc. -
1 minute ago, dorquemada said:
To his point, the Bills just had the best season in a very very long time with a Defense that was only OK, and a phenomenal Offense. a few extra first downs in either of the KC games, we might have been in it at the end. Drafting the 5th best EDGE probably doesn't change that dynamic, maybe if we got a Safety or CB that could cover Kelce that might make a difference, but those guys are thin on the ground, especially at 30
At 30 it's 100% speculative. I'm just pointing out that no GM goes into a draft with ONLY helping out the offense in mind. That's not his job. This isn't video games or fantasy football. The goal is to win games, whether the score be 3-2 or 100-0, Beane's job is giving the staff the right players to win more games.
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5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Such a weird thing to say. Bad enough they traded all of those assets to move up to 3 with no set plan on who they're taking. Now they kill off Jimmy G. with a quote?
2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:That is such a stupid ***** response.
Super weird, for sure, but its his way of not answering the question. By taking it to the extreme and making it about "any player" he's avoiding answering the question altogether. Which, of course, is a way of answering the question...
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7 minutes ago, FFadpecr said:
How does a top CB or top DE help Josh Allen?
The #1 goal of Brandon Beane is to help his Franchise QB.
His #1 goal is help THE FRANCHISE.
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I'll say they trade up for Phillips
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4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:
Cool
Terrific add to the conversation, thanks for chiming in.
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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:
There is NO WAY they’re giving a rookie RB on the smaller side 18-22 touches per game in Daboll’s offense. It just isn’t going to happen, not in 2021 and even afterwards, not unless they tweak the offense and trade Motor or Moss. I just don’t get this thinking at all. Where would those touches be coming from? He’s not a “bell cow” back and he doesn’t pass block. Are you taking the ball out of Allen’s hands to feed Etiene? If so you’re committing coaching malpractice.Realistically, if they take Etiene at 30 and don’t trade/release Motor or Moss, we’re talking 5-10 touches per game MAX in 2021 and that’s probably including KR duties. Again, not a good ROI for a first round pick.
WHOLE lot of agree to disagree here.
- "There is NO WAY they’re giving a rookie RB on the smaller side 18-22 touches per game in Daboll’s offense" -- why? Devin Singletary, a significantly SMALLER player with worse draft capital than Etienne averaged 15 touches in his rookie year and it's worth pointing out that he only started 2/3 of those games. A 1st round round RB isn't going to be worth 3 more touches a game? Agree to disagree.
- "in Daboll's offense" -- a lot of people on this board talk about this like we've been the greatest show on turf for the last decade. In Brian Daboll's career as an OC, last year was the ONLY year his offenses threw the ball more than 52% of the time. Daboll's shown an ability to adjust and adapt based on his weapons, so adding a talented RB to bring more balance to the offense doesn't exactly seem like a deathknell to that player's statistics.
- "It just isn’t going to happen, not in 2021 and even afterwards, not unless they tweak the offense and trade Motor or Moss." Aside from your opinion, what is this based on? Motor and Moss have been meh at best, and the entire point of drafting a RB in the later rounds is that they're expendable if they don't perform or if you find a better alternative. That would be this situation to a tee. Again, I'm not pushing Etienne, I'm saying IF they front office took him in the first, they wouldn't be letting a couple of very middling backs affect his path to success.
- "He’s not a “bell cow” back" Define "bell cow back" He's as big or bigger than Kamara, Ekeler, Motor (lol), Kenyon Drake, Christian McCaffrey, Cam Akers, D'Andre Swift, Miles Sanders, JK Dobbins....
- "and he doesn’t pass block." Fine, let him run routes and catch passes, because he's VERY good at doing that. There are bell cow backs who don't pass block every passing play.
- "Are you taking the ball out of Allen’s hands to feed Etiene?" In the running game? ABSOLUTELY. You want our franchise QB taking hits in the open field? I don't.
Your entire argument seems to be built around this imagined size issue and the notion that 2 underperforming 3rd round picks stand in the way of unleashing a unique weapon like Etienne.
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20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
While I think Barmore is best suited as a 3T, there are snaps with him playing over the nose at 'Bama and I think he could adjust to a 1T in a 4 man front. It doesn't make a lot of sense to draft a guy at #30 and then play him in his second best spot, I agree, but I think Barmore has the ability to play pretty much any spot on the line. Consistency and motivation are the question marks for me on him.
Agreed -- busy work day over here and didn't want to get into the finer details, but the gist, I think, is that he would be a weird fit, given our roster.
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9 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:
It is an even more bold prediction than I thought 😀
Lol yep. Great value, but I can't see it happening.
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Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:
I am actually hoping this happens- I want Christian Barmore because I think he is the highest ceiling player available outside the top 10 for Buffalo, he could help day one but still learn from Star. I also believe we only take him if Beane believes he will work hard while in Buffalo.
He's not a 1T. Barring a scheme adjustment, he'd be a replacement for Oliver, which... not exactly an ideal use of assets.
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2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
What percentage of the offense would he achieve in 2021? 5-10%? Maybe? They could replicate that production with Breida and a UDFA. Would be a total waste of a first round pick.
What is that percentage based off of? If you're drafting a RB in the first round, he's starting over your 2 failed former-3rd-round picks. If you're drafting Etienne at 30, he's getting 18-22 touches a game, and a guy with his skillset, in this offense is going to be putting up solid, if not very good numbers with that many touches.
I'm not saying Etienne has to be the pick, but you're using faulty logic to reach your conclusion.
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3 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said:
Tommy Tremble in the 2nd to Buffalo.
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1 hour ago, Juice_32 said:
Going to keep beating my drum. Javonte in the 2nd and we are set at RB.
Won't be there.
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Give up draft picks and trade up in the 1st to get "your guy"... this is the year to do it
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They were also 30m away from winning the Super Bowl and it took a historic collapse to keep that from happening. Given our history, I think most Bills fans would take a SB win and then falling to the point ATL is now, if given the option...