Ethan in Cleveland
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Just now, whatdrought said:
Not sure how the patriots skipping a pick would automatically give the browns pick 33... Crazy world.
If you dont get your pick turned in in time the team that picks next is allowed to go ahead. So in this case the Browns would select the 32nd player. That would be a first round pick.
The draft has always been over more than one day. So my guess is they have rules for the last pick of the day or this scenario would have occurred before.
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Same as last year. I want Josh Allen. It is not going to happen but that is the player that can do the most damage on the DL from this draft.
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Nathan Peterman. Close the thread.
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1 hour ago, bigbill said:
I was just wondering if the Bills have enough draft capital to get both Oliver and Hockenson in the draft?
Who would you take at 9 with hopes the other player drops to 15, 16 or 17.
It seems both players would help to complete the offense and defense.
Any thought?
Oliver may not make it out of the top 3 and Hockenson likely will be gone by 15. Would I be shocked in a draft so deep in DL that Hock and Fant fell to the late first round? No. Many on this board are probably correct in that teams don't value TE as first round position. I disagree and would have no issue with Hockenson at 9 or Fant at 15ish. I would prefer Fant and an extra pick. But I don't see Oliver making it past the Bills at 9.
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On 4/22/2019 at 1:50 PM, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I'm pretty sure most of that anger was because Peterman remained on the roster.
What he said
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He should have played a 3-4 DE. He was never supposed to be a DT in a 4-3.
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Trading up for a DT in the deepest DL draft in decades is insane. This will not happen. It would be ten times worse than Whaley trading up for Watkins.
The only player I move up for is Allen if he gets past 5. Even then I probably wouldn’t but If top 5 go Murray, Bosa, Oliver, Williams, White then I would consider a move from 9 to 5 to get Allen
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8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:
So we've officially hit the stage where 17 players are going in the top 10
In this draft the difference between 4 and 15 is not much in term of talent. That means if you can find a trade partner the Bills can drop a few spots and still get a great player. Problem is you need to find a partner and that only happens if there is a team that wants a QB at 9.
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We need an edge rusher not a true linebacker.
Can they draft White and move Edmunds to edge? Maybe. I wouldn't do it.
I still advocate for TE at 9 and then edge and DT with the next two picks. I would not draft a WR in first three rounds.
Ideally they trade down once and can add an OT in the first two days as well. Then add some depth defenders in the late rounds that can be developed and play special teams, LB, S, and CB
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52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I may be in the minority here but think that this is worse for DiMarco than Shady. It feels like Shady is in his last year and they brought in his buddy Gore. Yeldon will be the 4th guy and a draft pick ahead of him. The Bills may move away from a fullback.
Completely agree. Shady is the only back that can make people miss on this roster. I don’t understand the folks on this board and the anti McCoy sentiment. The o-line was garbage last year and Beane finally is rebuilding it.
I don't understand the Yeldon signing. They have ten picks. They could have found a cheaper younger pass catching RB in the middle of the draft.
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On 4/17/2019 at 6:37 PM, GreggTX said:
Not gonna happen, but as consolation, he played better at G than some posters give him credit for. If he makes even a small step in year 2, he should be your average starter.
No he didn't. He would need to make significant improvements to start. I will not say he can't. But on paper he is a roster bubble guy. If they keep Bodine and Long , Teller won't make it. If Long shows he can back up center then Bodine will get cut or traded and Teller will make the team.
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21 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:
Some, not all busts, are immature kids who cannot handle the demands of being a professional. The best examples are Jamarcus Russell & Ryan Leaf who did not take professionalism seriously. Both were out of shape almost immediately after their final college year ended. Russell was lazy & wouldn't study the playbook-the best story was the Raiders giving him blank tapes & him coming back telling them he watched the film that was on the tape. Leaf was more into himself than a team concept. The best story I heard on Leaf was after he was drafted he went to party in Vegas & when San Diego wanted him to showup for a press conference he told them they'd have to wait until he was done partying. The Leaf story I heard on the radio years ago when a former Charger employee (I forget what title he held or who it was) was asked when did you first get an indication that you made a mistake drafting Leaf. Leaf also showed bad signs at the combine. He came in overweight and blew off interviews with Indy because he didn't want them to draft him.
Other guys just don't have the talent to adjust to the speed of the NFL. What makes scouting so tough is that these guys are playing against players who will never play ball again after college. The guys drafted by the NFL are men against boys in college. When it's all men against men they can't get the job done. I place a greater emphasis on games like the Senior Bowl where these players are playing against other players who have a future in the NFL. When all the film on a guy is him playing against future accountants, it's tough to evaluate his pro potential.
The best ways to avoid a bust are 1)Talk with the player and those who know him like his coaches before the draft. If he shows any signs of not being totally dedicated to football, don't waste a high pick on him. 2) Don't get too enamored with as physical freak at the combine whose game film doesn't match the athleticism shown there. The best example in draft history is Mike Mamula. 3) Don't draft injury prone players, or guys who project to be so in the NFL. If the guy has missed significant playing time in multiple seasons he may bust in the NFL. The best examples of a player projecting to become injury prone in the NFL are QBs who take a lot of sacks in college because they hold onto the ball too long. A QB who will continuously get sacked more than most other QBs is going to have injury problems in the NFL. The best example is Rob Johnson. When the Bills 1st acquired him I read some scouting reports and one of my 1st posts after the trade was titled "Rob Johnson, The Sacked Man"
I agree with almost everything you wrote.
And then there are the exceptions like Khalil Mack. He dominated against mostly guys like you wrote that will never play after UB. How do you accurately project his success and compare it to a guy like Josh Allen who plays on on of the worst teams in the SEC?
That is why I advocate for trading down not up in most cases.
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Noah Fant 850 yards and 8 TD, OROY
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I wouldn't draft White but I also wouldn't be upset if they did.
Like someone else said, two years ago they had worst LB group in the NFL. Milano, Edmunds, and White would be a top 5 if not top 3 unit by 2020.
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No. That is too far.
Drop no further than 15 and make sure at least one of the following guys will be there at 15
Hockenson
Fant
Sweat
Oliver
Taylor
Metcalf
Another top OT
If more than 1 of the above is gone by 8 and the team swapping picks doesn't want a QB then sit tight at 9 and take Oliver, Hock, or Fant
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Look I don't trust Beane.
But for those who do, he kept Shady and added 5 new offensive lineman and a good blocking TE. The draft hasn't even happened yet where he may add another OT.
His actions suggest he believes in Shady.
Shady will rush for 1100
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Mayock is a joke. The Raiders are going to implode
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15 minutes ago, Logic said:
That is an about as good a schedule as you can hope for.
Third easiest schedule in the league (supposedly), open with two on the road but they're in the same stadium, BIG stretch of home games after that, a Turkey Day game, no prime time games, and our division rival games are all spaced pretty evenly apart. The ONLY nit I could pick with our schedule is that the bye week is too early.
In the end, I just feel bad for the Bills players: They have to spend the first two weeks of the season in NEW JERSEY. Yuck. ?I agree. About as good as you could hope. Losing at Dallas is the most guaranteed result. But then they get 10 days for the Ravens which could be the deciding game for the playoffs due to tiebreakers.
Rough schedule down the stretch but if Pittsburgh falls apart early they could be a true disaster late in the season.
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Terrible year to travel to a game. NYC in the early fall seems nice.
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The tag should be converted to a Larry Bird's rights type deal.
If a player is tagged, the team can match the offer by paying a 10% higher wage but the salary only costs the amount of the matched offer against the cap.
This is a win for everyone. Players can test the market and get above market compensation. Teams can overpay to keep a star player but not destroy their cap.
Also teams should be allowed to trade cap space for players or draft picks. Why should a team like Seattle, be forced to dismantle their team just because they had a three year window of drafting very well. If they could have traded a first round pick for cap space they could have paid Sherman, Thomas, and Bennett in addition to paying Wilson and Wagner. A team should not be forced to go back into the draft to find talent when they already did.
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There are only 2 players in this draft worth trading above # 9.
Bosa - A three man rotation of Bosa, Lawson, and Hughes would be the best DE rotation of the 4-3 era in Buffalo
Allen - probably the best pure pass rusher in the draft. He and Edmunds would dominate the AFC for the next 7 years. Play him at SLB in the base 4-3 and move him around all over the place in the nickel
For the record I hate trading up, but if Allen made it past #5 I might consider it for a second next year or a 3rd and a fifth this year (points add up). I think Allen does not make it past Oakland however.
Every other player you can make an argument there is an equally good alternative or the Bills have no need (Murray and White). Therefore I would sit tight and attempt to trade down and get Hockenson or Fant around 14. If no trade is available, then take BPA between TE, OT, and DL in that order.
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No thanks. Shady is going for 1100 yards with this new line
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Mostly busts. It's more the system than it is the QB. So hard to separate the two.
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Hmm. I wonder if this is just a numbers issue. In each conference, there are two guards, two tackles, two safeties, and four linebackers named All-Pro. Typically there is only one TE. That would not explain everything like the fact only a single center is named and they have a high success rare at least two WRs are named and they have a low success rate.
Select 2 players that will be drafted by Buffalo
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Jonah Williams after a trade down a few spots.
Noah Fant in the late 20's
Cole Tracy, PK LSU late 5th or early 6th