Ethan in Cleveland
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9 minutes ago, Doc said:
Long played OG and C well for the Redskins, prompting the Jets to sign him to a good-sized contract. He got injured and that affected his play.
You may know more than me, but what I have read is Long never won the G and C positions in Washington and started due to injuries of others. Then he had his own injury issues. Even the Washington newspaper reviews didn't think that much of him.
At this point just have to hope he is better than Miller was.
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Just now, Logic said:
I mean...how good of a backup center do you think MOST teams have? As it is, the Bills' current backup centers are Russell Bodine and Spencer Long. Both are guys that have started a lot of games in this league. If you look around the NFL, you're not going to find a lot of teams with really high quality backup centers. I think Bodine/Long is as strong of a backup center situation as you're likely to find anywhere in the league. As for Morse, he seems to be a consensus top 10 center in the NFL.
Furthermore, I expect Long to compete to start at GUARD, a position at which he performed well when he was a Redskin. No one expects him to be a candidate for starting center, so I'm not sure why that's even a discussion.Bodine would be a very solid backup C and I posted I would keep him for 2019.
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43 minutes ago, Logic said:
The below chart makes very clear what the Bills are doing. They have less money committed on big contracts than any team in the league. Why is this? I would postulate it ties into why they have only been signing average to slightly above average players to no more than modest contracts: They are planning to do the majority of their spending on the retention of their own young core in the coming years: Milano, Edmunds, White, Allen, Dawkins, [Edge draftee], etc, etc.
Rather than spending big chunks of their cap on overpaid free agents, they are meticulously and intelligently allocating their money in a way that will allow them to retain all of their own home grown talent, rather than be forced to watch anyone walk away because the Bills can't afford their contract demands.
It's a breath of fresh air and a massive change from the way things were done under Whaley.
16 minutes ago, Doc said:Long was a full-time starter last year and has been one for all but his rookie year. Both he and Morse represent significant upgrades over what was here last year and Dawkins has proven he can play at a high level when motivated and not next to a scrub. I knew nothing about Nsekhe but after watching his play and reading more about him after they signed him, he should prove to be a significant upgrade as well. Again the only real concern for me is the other OG spot, but I think they'll find a good player to fill that as well, either from someone already on the team (Teller, Boettger), signed (Feliciano), about to be signed (Spain, a post-draft cut) or a draftee.
Long started at center last year and was one of the worst in the NFL. He has played a bunch of games at OG in the past. Is he any better than Miller? No one knows. If he is the backup plan for center that is not good.
Agree Dawkins is an adequate LT. He took a step back last year but there is no reason to think he cant get better. Im not in the camp that he should be moved to OG, but I would still draft OT high this year.
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Actually they are being far less selective. Beane is making volume moves and hoping he hits a few. That is not a criticism. Its a perfectly fine strategy and it is what Belichick did in his first couple of years with Patriots.
Beane has added 5 OL only one of which was a full time starter last year, Morse. The rest are journeymen that we have to hope are better than Miller, Mills, and Teller while improving the overall depth of talent. I'm more worried about RT than any other spot. I really don't think they have improved over Mills so far, but I also think they will draft OT relatively high in the draft.
The OL success may be mostly determined by Morse though. Did he overpay? Depends on how you frame the question. Beane likely paid market value but I doubt even this board thinks Morse is the #1 center in the league as he is now being paid. If i'm Beane I keep Bodine. He was adequate and they have the cap room to keep him.
As for WR. He added speed and slot guys but they still don't have a true #1. I'm perfectly fine with that. I think both strategies can work. A dominant #1 like AB, AJ, or Julio works just as effectively as a group with multiple threats. I can't wait to see Foster, Brown, and Beasely line up in a bunch formation. Add a star TE and the group can be much better than last year.
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Trade down and draft BPA to fill a need.
Add OT, TE. DT, and Edge rush in the first four rounds.
Basically copy Indianapolis draft last year. Trade down, acquire more pics, draft a star to fill a need in Quentin Nelson and a DROY LB.
I think the value for TE drops off after the two kids from Iowa. If they stay at 9 and no premium edge rusher is available then I take one of the TEs.
I doubt they take OT in the first round unless they really are contemplating moving Dawkins to OG. Their FA signings suggest Dawkins is staying at OT and they will add an OT in the first few rounds to develop and start in 2020.
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4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:
Allen and Mayfield are definitely better and will be more successful. I am probably one of the few who isnt a Darnold guy.
I wanted Allen over all other QBs but pump the brakes a bit. He didn't do anything last year to say he was definitely better than Rosen. Rosen had an even worse surrounding cast than Allen. I'm ok with where Allen is and the flashes he has shown. But I'm also a guy that doesn't care about his running stats. I want a pocket passer.
I'm not a Darnold guy either. He was awful at USC when under pressure.
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Why punish the team that has built a two score lead throughout the majority of the game by making it easier for losing team to make a comeback?
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Yes, they have plenty of cap room and no significant injury issues since his shoulder surgery
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10 hours ago, TigerJ said:
Of course Beane knows his positions of need, but if he's hell bent on picking a tackle at #9 and the value isn't very good, he'd be a fool to force the issue. In preparation for the draft, the personnel team on the Bills discuss all kinds of scenarios with respect to who might be available and what they would do if those scenarios actually happened. As far as the particular needs you mentioned (TE, edge, OT, and DT) I think all four will probably be addressed in the draft. With the signing of a couple quality OTs, and a quality tight end, I'm not positive those positions will be addressed in the top half of the draft.
I don't think either OT or the TE signed are quality players. In fact not many people do. Most suggest the OTs are best served as the swing tackle that could start if needed. Even if Nsehke proves capable at RT he is old and not a long term solution. That said they may be good enough to pass on an OT in the first round and take a pass rusher.
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18 hours ago, mjt328 said:
The more I examine the roster and our recent additions, I agree that we still need to draft another O-Lineman high.
We are set at center with Mitch Morse, and we need to have confidence that Dion Dawkins returns to form after a sophomore slump. I think that Ty Nsekhe will be a significant upgrade over Jordan Mills, but he's already 34 and can't be counted on as a long-term answer. We added some nice competition at the guard position, but neither Spencer Long or Jon Feliciano are guaranteed upgrades. And we have no idea whether Wyatt Teller will develop.
I'm comfortable enough in our additions at Wide Receiver to let things play out, and we don't need to draft anyone else high.
Our biggest remaining needs (in order):
1. Tight End
2. Offensive Line
3. Defensive Tackle/3-Tech
4. Defensive End
Why do you think Nsekhe will be significantly better than Millstone? He is 5 years older and mostly been journeyman back up his career. I am not even convinced he is as good as Mills.
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15 hours ago, TigerJ said:
I think that for a GM to decide a month ahead of time what positions he is going to address in each of the top three rounds si one of the quickest ways he can find himself out of a job. If doing so is evidence of a GMs stupidity (and I absolutely believe it is), then for me to try and do the same as a fan would make me look pretty dumb. Hence, I don't bother to try. Left tackle at #9 is a possibility. The obvious choice for that IMO is Andre Dawkins, who is a quintessential left tackle. Jawaan Taylor is primarily a right tackle. I like him, but if I'm targeting a left tackle (which I'm not) Dillard is my guy. There is some depth at both defensive end and tight end. I do think the Bills will want to address defensive tackle and linebacker depth before they get too deep into the draft. There's not a lot of depth at those spots.
Lol....trade away TT and not bring Preston Brown back nor sign a MLB in free agency. Pretty sure Beane decided months before last years draft what positions he was drafting.
And Im fairly certain he has decided that of these four positions TE, edge, OT, DT, three will be drafted in top three rounds if not all four with a trade down.
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Only the waste of a roster spot FB signed by McDermott is a worse signing by this front office. Last year (just like this year) people said don’t worry the Bills can get out of the contract. It was a terrible signing then and is compounded now by not getting rid of him. Best case scenario is he gets suspended again and the team can go after some of the money already paid. Lawson outplayed Murphy most of last season. I don’t think he is an awful backup but just not worth the money. But who cares about the money? The Bills have enough cap space in 2019 and 2020 even with his terrible contract to sign any free agent they want.
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1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:
The only person I know who can accurately foretell the future is Doc Brown, but he & Marty haven’t been seen since 1885..
For me, no more skill positions, sans RB in the Draft. Build up the interiors. I don’t expect us to Draft 10 players as Beane will likely try to trade multiple late round picks to move up -hopefully for another 3rd Rounder.
The two TE’s on the roster now are not good. They need to add a TE in round 1 or 2.
I agree they will not use all 10 picks but hopefully they trade a few to move up in 2020 draft. I think the general rule is trading back a year and you go up a round.
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I wear Bills gear often and proudly. You will immediately find there are more people that left WNY than still live there. Be proud and enjoy meeting lots of new people with WNY roots
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I’d settle for a 2:1 TD:INT ratio in year two as a sign of progress
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Hmmmm....
He looks like he was correct in not signing Cousins long term.
And what has Gruden done to keep his job?
Agree it seems dysfunctional but it probably is on both of them
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One question that I have not heard, is why Kansas City did not try to sign Morse long term? Do they already have a replacement in mind? I like the fact he is younger and I generally agree that they had to overpay. There was just too much money for all of the teams to spend. Bills have the luxury of a roster devoid of talent and therefore can spend now.
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20 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Except your understanding of what BPA is Wrong. Still can’t believe how many fans can’t understand this very simple concept.
BPA does factor in NEEDS. BPA could be a RB and 1000000% Giants will NOT draft a RB. Same with us for QB.
The BPA on a GMs board is based on the team board they built. And that process takes into account needs, their system fit, etc etc.
And that also means going up to get players you covet. The BPA on Bills board was Josh Allen. The BPA on their board after that as draft started continuing was Edmunds, they went up and got him.
People take the BPA way to literal without applying simple logic to it that BPA also factors in needs or opportunities to upgrade.
I agree with your take but that is not how Beane is explaining it to the media.
The Bills needed a QB and a MLB last year and Beane maneuvered to get them.
The Bills need a TE, edge, and DT in the draft. All three will be drafted in the first four rounds. The fourth pick will be an OT or WR perhaps in the first round who may very well be BPA, especially if there is an early run on the defensive linemen in the first 8 picks.
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59 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
So tell me when McDermott and Beane have reached.
Did they draft Donte Whitner with the players that were on the board with him?
McD traded up twice in his draft for Dawkins and Jones. Were they reaches? I Don’t know. Beane traded up for Edmunds and DROY was drafted in the second round. But Edmunds was taken a few spots lower than he was projected. Will he be the best LB from that draft? He still has a chance. He is so young and did get better as the year went on.
Again I favor drafting for need. My philosophy is trade down and get more picks, draft positions you need, always draft a CB, and take a QB every other year or so.
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3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:
Every GM and Head Coach says BPA, but amazingly they always somehow find BPA that coincidentally are of need at least in the first three rounds.
Yup. Just look at Indy. They needed to fix OL and they maneuvered perfectly to get Nelson.
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1 hour ago, eball said:
I think you are looking at things in an overly simplistic way.
2018 was widely viewed as one of those "generational" QB drafts. The Bills needed a QB. They determined at what draft position they could select a QB they felt matched the value of the pick. Beane made it happen. They then saw another player they viewed as top 15 talent -- Edmunds -- who also happened to fill a position of need.
Talent and need aren't viewed in a vacuum. It's more nuanced than that. And the Bills going into that draft were so talent-poor at a number of positions that every pick was by definition filling a "need."
Let's look at this year. Now that Beane has addressed numerous holes in the roster during FA (OL, WR) he has the freedom to look at that #9 pick and select a player without worrying whether he fills a specific "need." Where the need analysis comes in is if there are two players available when it's time for the Bills to draft upon whom they have placed similar "talent" grades. Then, depending upon the relative importance of the position, you pick the guy who fills a need.
I think you are twisting things to fit Beane’s narrative. Beane didnt trade away TT and not plan to draft a QB. Same for letting Brown walk with a plan to draft their version of Kuechly.
I dont have any problem drafting for need. There is nothing wrong with that. He should just be honest about it.
And I hope Beane drafts Hockenson at #9 because this team needs a TE.
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Except its all BS. He drafted for need last year. He drafted QB, MLB, CB, G. With four of the first five picks. All need picks.
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Bodine was not terrible but he is not worth more than a 5th round pick. He is more valuable as a backup for Buffalo than what they would get in return. Now if they offered a 3rd round pick I make the trade
Long was one of the worst centers in the league last year. My bet is he wins one of the starting guard spots but if Teller improves, Long will be in a battle for the other spot.
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OP I love the entusiasm but wow.
Mario Williams was a superstar and played great while with Buffalo. Trent Murphy was a PED suspended guy coming off knee surgery who was severely overpaid and sucks.
Rex was a disaster hired by Pegula not Whaley.
McDermott so far is all talk just more sophisticated than Rex. It is MBA and Toyota Management lingo nothing more. He gets blown out routinely. He played for a tie in OT and started Peterman on the road with the playoffs still in reach.
The OL is still a mess but to be fair is an unknown more than anything now. Morse looks good but he graded as an above average center who was just made the highest paid in the league. The rest of the OL signings are not stars and it is hard to know if they are any better than Mills/Miller.
Beane sounded great defending Buffalo and it felt sincere. But he just said again draft is not for needs after he gave up multiple players and picks to draft the QB and MLB the team needed.
Lastly, none of what the OP or my post includes matters. It is about one player, Josh Allen. Don’t tell me it is a team. Jacksonville has SuperBowl talent destroyed by one terrible QB. Beane’s legacy just as every GM since Polian will be determined by the QB. I wanted Allen over all the other QBs so I’m all in with Beane on this one.
I just dont give him a pass on the rest of his moves.
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Everyone talks OL and WR, but our ST sucked last season
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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When the talent on the team is terrible the special teams will be awful. Crossman was not the issue.
Special teams are overvalued anyways. Its no where near a third of the game as people point out. My take on STs is don't give up a blocked kick and cut down on the penalties. Not much else matters.