Ethan in Cleveland
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
For comparison fun:
Lamar Jackson:
Ceiling: Michael Vick.
Josh Allen:
Ceiling: Steve Young.
I keep saying that the QB Allen most compares to IMO is Steve Young. I think he is going to be a feared passer and a feared scrambler just like Young was.
And for the non racist comparison....
Allen at this point is most comparable to Roethlisberger, Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham, and Daunte Culpepper. All big strong armed guys that ran early in thier careers.
Jackson’s ceiling might be as high as Tarkenton or Staubach both of which had 57% career completion percentages(in a far different era I will give you). Jackson is a far better thrower than Vick but without the cannon Vick had. And at this point in his career is more like Elway with less of an arm.
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Fix the OL. Skill positions cant do anything behind a crap OL
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You dont need analytics to see Zay is a bust and the entire WR group is awful. You dont need analytics to know Allen git better as the season wore on and Foster started to play better. But you also don’t need analayics to know he turned the ball over too much, missed many easy throws, but showed more potential than any QB since Kelly.
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On 2/20/2019 at 11:09 AM, Utah John said:
RBs in this league have a tough time convincing anyone they're worth very much. It's pretty sad. A really talented RB with a bad O line is no more productive than a mediocre RB with a great O line. And the team with the great O line can do more things offensively to help their passing game. Why invest huge money in RBs? There are some exceptional RBs who actually are worth more than the average, but not nearly the amount that Bell was trying to get from the Steelers.
I don't think Bell is a bad-attitude, problem child like AB. I think he had a very incorrect sense of his own market value. If the Bills could get him for $3M a year, he is powerful enough to do better for them than Shady, who was lost behind that pathetic O line last year. Shady deserves a chance to get only to a winning team to close out his career.
I would disagree. A mediocre RB with a great O-line probably makes the Pro-bowl. RBs are a dime a dozen.
Now put a great RB behind a great line and you get great results. Emmitt Smith had no more talent than Barry or Thurman, but his o-line and QB were stellar.
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7 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:
Eventually, when done right, this will be us.
Current coach and GM cost the team a 3rd round pick last year. They will be significant buyers in FA this year and probably next. So they will not sniff a comp pick for at least two or three more years.
Will that matter? Who knows. They have ten picks mostly in the low rounds this year. They have enough picks to draft for depth, trade for higher picks this year or next.
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I wanted Allen over Darnold and Rosen, but would have been happy with Rosen.
But come on board, Allen was a worse version of TT last year. Occasional big plays, lots of missed throws, lots of three and outs, lots of great runs, and triple the number of turnovers.
Allen had some great moments that suggest he can be a great QB and he seemed to get better as the year went on, which was great to see. But I would take a step back before you start saying Rosen is a bust and Allen is a sure thing. Lots of time and lots of development needed.
One thing is for sure, they both had the worst supporting casts in the NFL
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8 hours ago, Utah John said:
To compare Allen and Rosen, consider this -- the Cardinals are talking about taking another QB at #1 overall this year. If they do that, I assume they'll trade Rosen and get good value. But if the Bills were drafting #1, do you think they'd dump Allen at this point and move on? I sure don't.
The media is saying that not the Cardinals. They aren't moving on from Rosen.
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Lots of good ones. Here is one I have not seen in the thread
Earl Morrall 1968 Colts and 1972 Dolphins
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1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:
The EFRAs should all be rendered. It doesn’t cost anything.
Tender Logan Thomas at the low tender.
Wow. It's one thing to not like them but to want to melt and liquefy them is a bit harsh.
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Bring back Yarborough. Let the rest walk including Thomas. He's terrible. He had plenty of chances to get better. He is useless as a blocker and can't get open. Experiment over.
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No FA WR is worth the money this year and unless you can get AB for 3rd round pick there is no value for a trade.
Best bet to address the WR spot is to fix the OL and add a great TE. Then add a guy in rounds 2-4. First round needs to be trade down and best OL or stay put and draft OLB at #9.
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21 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
And also just remember that Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Manziel, Brady Quinn et al, to name just a fraction of many more, were ALL deemed worthy of being picked in the 1st round as starting QB’s in the NFL by multiple staffs of multiple franchises whose jobs depended on hitting it on the mark. This is as much a speculative business as it is scientific. There will be mistakes, some glaring in fact. But I’m more interested in how McD and Beane react/respond to mistakes they’ve made along the way, than the fact that they made any in the first place. And so far I’m happy with the fact that they’ve owned them and then made necessary changes to address same, as opposed to doubling down and digging in, a la former regimes.
Good post. Its a lottery and you win with more picks not less. I'd probably rate Ozzie Newsome as greatest draft talent evaluator and he has missed too.
I like that they moved on from KB and let the young guys get more reps when season was over.
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It takes one amazing organization to start NFL football games with Nathan Peterman and Jeff Tuel. Think of that. Two head coaches with completely different staffs thought these guys could play in the NFL.
For all the McD defenders out there, just remember he chose Peterman to start on the road while in the playoff picture and then chose again him over a guy that had actual NFL success.
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4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:
There’s a good reason for you’re handle. Well said. I’m getting sick of people pulling the trigger too fast on Beane or McDermitt when they inherited a mess both in cap space, problem children and lack of talent.
This year and next year will tell whether not only do we have our franchise QB, but also our franchise administration, and coaches. I know the soap opera will weaken this argument with Bell and AB, but the Steelers have had a ton of success hiring the right people, staying out of football decisions, and maintain continuity. You can bash Marvin Lewis, but does everyone remember the Bengals were a mess before he came there, and maybe they didn’t win in the playoffs, but they went from perpetual losing seasons for 15 years to six consecutive playoff appearances. His message got old, but is another example of success through continuity.
It is accurate to say it is too soon to pull the trigger on Beane Or McDermott. However you and everyone else that said they inherited a mess is just factually inaccurate. McD made the playoffs with many of Whaley's players and some very good free agent signings in the defensive backfield. Kudos to McD. McD and Beane then created the cap issue, traded for a terrible WR, and then started Peterman. Those are real facts. Add passing on Mahomes and you can make an argument they bothced year 1 too. I liked the trade down and drafting of White then and I still do now. I won't go back in time and criticize that move. However I hated the Watkins, KB, Dareus trades and still do. I was lukewarm on the Darby trade as I mistakenly thought he was a one year wonder.
McD and Beane will get this year to prove themselves. They must be in the playoff picture until at least week 16 or they should both be gone, barring injuries of course.
They are nothing special and three years is plenty of time.
Remember every time you defend McD he started Peterman multiple times, and played for a tie in OT with the playoffs on the line.
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Well in his press conference he said he doesn't like to draft for need but the entire 2018 draft was need based. Traded away multiple picks/player to get QB. Did the same to get a MLB only to have DROY drafted in the second round.
Given the state of the OL, WR group, and only one consistent pass rusher, my guess is he does the same this year and drafts for need. Which I don;t have an issue with. Just don't waste picks targeting a certain player. Sit tight or move back at least once to get an extra day two pick.
Then take a few flyers with the late round picks - QB, S, and Punter. Also take a few of those 6th and 7th and try to get a 5th in 2020.
1 hour ago, HansLanda said:At this point we all just need to hope they have their board setup 'correctly' with the proper values on each NCAA'er...Beane seems to let on he likes going BPA.
He says one thing and does another. I don't believe in the BPA philosophy anyways. Drafitng for need does not mean you have to target a certain player. Trade down, get more picks, draft for need.
And to be fair to Beane, addressing the QB position is entirely different than the rest of the roster. I'm ok with the draft capital he gave up to get Allen. But I am equally ok with stating if he misses on Allen he should be fired. Can't give up a franchise LT and multiple picks and then miss on the pick. He made his bed and now must live with it.
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10 hours ago, ganesh said:
Actually that was very simple. The team was in cap-hell and they couldn't pay these upcoming FA's (Gilmore, Woods, Darby. Brown, Watkins) as they were already against the cap. They did the smart thing of shipping them for draft picks that will be cheap for their first 3-4 years of the contract. That was the only way for them to come out of cap hell. Would the Bill have wanted a shutdown corner like Gilmore or Darby...Absolutely..Did they have the money or cap space to pay them...Absolutely Not!
Dareus was way over-paid and underwhelming. There was no way they would have been able to keep the "Team First" Concept by not paying everyone but an under-achieving player.
Cordy Glenn was the only head scratcher for me. Because we had a starting LT and especially when you lost your interior line to retirement, it would have been prudent to have preserved your starting LT. But that was the only way for them to jump up the draft board to draft their franchise QB.Except they weren’t in cap hell. That only happened after they cut some of these guys and the dead money kicked in. The cap was managable. The crisis was manufactured by Beane. Thye could not have kept them all but they could and should have kept Gilmore and Watkins. I said it at the time. Dumb moves. And yes I know Gilmore decision was pre-Beane but McDermott made that call.
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40 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
A little surprised as I thought this was a slam dunk case for the NFL. It's very difficult to prove collusion so maybe there was something in Goodell's or other owners emails or text messages that suggested it which is why a gag order was put into place after the agreement. Or, the NFL just wanted it to end. Who knows.
Show Bills vs Ravens tape and you can prove collusion by the end of the first half
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23 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:
I was looking at Spotrac and it appears he is due for a Roster bonus and part salary guarantee ($3Mil) on 17th March...
If he survives til then he will be there all season,,,
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/trent-murphy-14456/
Good point. Thanks for the info.
Given he was coming off injury, it might be reasonable to rework his contract. If he doesn't accept a pay cut then cut him.
1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:We put plenty of pressure on the QB. Murphy, Alexander and Shaq are sufficient. What would put us over the top is a penatraiting DT at the 3tech.
Not the defense McD plays. I agree a DT that pushes the pocket back would be great. But I would add a pass rushing OLB as the first priority in the draft.
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Getting a 3rd round pick for TT was great. A+
Starting the season with Nathan Peterman as the QB was worst decision in the NFL. F-
Must look at the totality of the decisions made
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1 hour ago, njbuff said:
OBJ is completely out of his mind and is ONLY a me first type player.
Bad fit for Buffalo.
What part is a bad fit? Best hands in NFL? Superstar talent? What is a good fit for Buffalo?
41 minutes ago, matter2003 said:If the player is such a headache that the team he is on doesnt want him why would we want hin?
Have you seen him play?
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4 hours ago, row_33 said:
that proves....... nothing on the field.... so far......
you are suggesting that ST has been an important part of the team the last few years?
think real hard..................................................................
Obviously you have not paid attention. Current and former regime has wasted many roster spots on guys who can only play STs. Current squad kept a ST only WR on the roster and that cost them a 3rd round comp pick.
Just becuase the STs suck does not mean they don't care about it. When the overall talent level on the team sucks you get ***** STs play. The LB group has been one of the worst in the NFL for years. WR group is slow and awful.
The ST coordinator is meaningless. Crossman has had good and bad units statistically. So has the legend of Bobby April.
It's all about the players and McBeane put together a crap roster last year.
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I expect him to be a training camp cut. I expect them to draft an OLB in the first round. I expect Shaq and Lorax to split time at DE.
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54 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Mills was the only one who had been a regular starter somewhere. And they were signed when the Bills were in cap hell.
I really think this year is the first year where we get to see completely what kind of players McBeane want. Last year was the first draft; this is the first year of free agency.
What?
McD has had two drafts. He let Gilmore walk. Then Beane and McD screwed up the roster moves costing then a 3rd round comp pick.
Beane had plenty of money to sign players in FA. He overpaid for Star but he was adequate. He overpaid for Murphy who was terrible. He overpaid for Ivory who was adequate. Contract for McCarron was fine. Trading him was dumb. And Bodine was a bad decision but probably not much of an option.
So many of us on the board who are skeptical of Beane point to this history. Can he do better? Sure, but its much easier to cut players and blame the previous guys. He made the trade for Benjamin. He should get the blame.
I have an open mind for 2019 and am cautiously optimistic about this off-season.
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My completely uniformed best guess is he is signed to play RG and could backup C. They will cut Groy, let Miller walk, and keep Bodine. Then they still will look to add a C in FA or draft.
Allen 3000 yards. + 1000 yards
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Like someone else pointed out, if Allen is running that much then the o-line will be a mess, his supporting cast not much improved and his progression as a QB will have failed.
300-350 yards would be the sweet spot. Enough of a running threat to earn some first downs when the plays break down.
The most important thing is not yards it is turnovers and then TDs. I don't care if he ever breaks 300 yards passing if he has 30 TD and 10 picks.