Ethan in Cleveland
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6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Two things..
It’s fine to say he hasn’t shown anything... but what did we really expect him to show in his initial year? He is a 5th round OL pick.. some of them don’t make it past the taxi squad as a rookie..
He beat out Ducasse for the starting role... no real achievement in itself but it tells me what the coaching staff think of his potential..
Second - I am not anointing him as a starter in 2019... he will need to earn it..like every other player..
They have bought in Long and I have no doubt they will bring in another more expensive free agent or a Top 50 pick..
Lets wait and we what happens, but I’m not sure what he was supposed to be in his first season as pick 166..
I'm not sure he actually beat out Ducasse. That is kind of my point in terms of evaluating his play on the field. Teller played because the season was lost, not because he was playing better than Ducasse. There was no reason to play Ducasse at that point and they wanted to see what Teller had. And for a late round pick, he showed enough that the staff may decide to go with him at LG. Like I said, that would be a very cheap starter on the OL and afford them the chance to spend more in FA on the OL, TE, and/or WR position.
My best guess is Teller is the starter at LG, and they sign a C and RG in FA to start and draft an OT. But that is just a guess. That is not what i would do, but i think it is what McBeane will do
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1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:
Interesting concept that some people may not understand...
5th round picks can improve particularly when they have had some starting experience in their rookie year..
Anyone familiar with one of our players called Matt Milano?
I don't think anyone on this board has said he could not improve. But what most are saying, is what he has shown so far does not make him a sure bet to be a starter next year. Evaluating his on the field play is not the same as projecting if he will get better. He was mostly bad as a starter last year but had some good moments in the run game. No one on this board is qualified to project if he will get better. Hell I doubt the coaching staff is qualified at that either. But I think it is fair to say he did enough that he will be given an opportunity to compete for a roster spot and maybe even a staring spot. He would be a cheap starter for a few years and allow them to spend more money on a first round OT draft pick and a FA C or G.
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The only aspect of him that was good last year was the fact he was an unknown and might get better. His play was no better and in fact often worse than Ducasse. He was overmatched in pass protection most of the time. Ducasse and Miller were the better players last year but Ducasse is never going to get any better(in fact he will likely regress with age). Teller however may get better. I saw nothing from him that would say he even has a guaranteed roster spot and certainly not a guaranteed spot on the starting OL.
My Plan A for the OL would be, bring back Mills at RT and Miller at RG, sign Paradis for C, move Dawkins to LG, draft OT in first round after trading down a few spots, take C/G in the third round, cut Bodine and let Groy walk, Teller, Long, and some other OT to be a swing back-up.
My Plan A.1, basically similar only Mills and/or Miller are replaced with reasonably priced veterans.
My Plan B : Sign Pardia, bring back Miller, keep Dawkins at LT, Teller at LG, draft OT in the first round to play RT again after dropping back a few slots, draft another G in the 4-5th round, let Mills and Groy walk, cut Bodine, and find a swing OT somewhere
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43 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:
Wes Welker comes to mind.They traded for Welker and got him from the Dolphins
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Pass. Get your OT in the draft. Get C and G in free agency. Honestly I would just sign Mills again. He is serviceable, will be affordable, and the rookie can learn. Also gives the team the option to move Dawkins inside if they land a great OT in draft.
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I would take a run at signing hi. He is a piece the Bills don't have. A big safety that can line up in multiple spots. He is an inch taller and 9 pounds lighter than Milano. He would not count against comp pick formula not that we have much of a chance in that regard. But since he was released he can be signed now.
The Bills don't need a pure safety like Collins or Weddle. They could use a tweener that could play SS, 3rd safety, or OLB.
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3 hours ago, BuffaloFan68 said:
So you have Metcalf & Jonah Williams staring at you with the 9th pick & a team like the Redskins offering you to trade back where we could still grab a player like T.J. Hockenson, TE - what do you do?
Trade back. Any time you have three guys you could be happy with you move back.
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No thanks.
Get your WR in the second round. Hope one QB is left at 9 and trade down. Still get a top OL or TE and another pick.
If two QBs are taken then sit tight and take the best edge rusher or OL.
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Because you appreciate the game. While growing up in Buffalo I still liked Seattle when they played ij the AFC West. Who didn't like Joe Montana after the catch? I'm sure there are many on this board that like the Raiders.
It helps to drive beyond Rochester or Fredonia as well.
I have a bit of a contrarian nature to me as well.
I don't understand the fan base's love for Marv Levy. I don't think he was deserving of the HOF and I lay much of the blame with regard to SuperBowl XXV on him. Same for Bill Cowher and Andy Reid. How many home playoff losses can you have in a career????
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Articulated? Is he a running back or public transportation?
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2 hours ago, mjt328 said:
The original intention was to create parity and help out the bottom teams.
For example - If a player doesn't want to re-sign in Cleveland, this gives them some help in replacing that player.
But instead, it's done the opposite.
The better teams generally have more good players, and thus more sought-after free agents. So instead of re-signing them to a big contract, they just let that player leave in free agency. And instead of getting nothing for them, they basically get a 3rd-4th round pick in return.
I'm sure that Brandon Beane would love to eventually make the system "work" for them. But it's going to take time to get the roster into a place where they can do that. They need to be drafting well enough that:
a) The players they DON'T bring back are signing big deals elsewhere.
b) They have enough depth to fill holes without going crazy signing other free agents (which basically offsets the compensatory formula).
Since Beane has taken over, the Bills haven't had enough good players on the roster to let walk away in free agency. The ones they have (Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby) were already traded to obtain the capital necessary to move-up and draft a QB. And since the entire roster has needed to be rebuilt from the ground-up, Beane has needed to utilize free agency to fill holes. As it stands, it will probably be at least 2021 before the Bills are in a position to take advantage of the compensatory formula. Maybe even later.
This is a great post given only 20% of it is factually accurate.
McD and Beane lost out on a 3rd round comp pick by keeping a special teams WR that could have been replaced by any of 100 street free agents and either an overpriced useless FB or a competent G.
The Dareus trade was not used to get a QB. Dareus netted a 5th round pick. They traded Glenn and a first to Bengals to move up and then they used the 2nd round pick obtained from LA packaged with the Bengals pick to move up and take Allen.
The entire roster did not need to be rebuilt. Beane dismantled a flawed team that still made the playoffs. Star signing was a direct result of giving up on Dareus and creating dead money in 2018 while still paying a high price for average at best DT play.
He signed a declining RB to fill the backup spot that just about any other street FA or low round draft pick could have produced.
He did not address holes in WR group though I do not blame him for KB. I thought it was an ok move then and won't rewrite history. Most thought it was an ok move with some risk. No one thought KB would flame out as bad as he did in a contract year. Kudos for him finding Foster as an UDFA. But a guy like Foster proves my point that McD and Beane botched the Gilmore comp pick by not cutting a useless WR, Ducasse, or the overpriced FB.
So far Beane bothced his first opportunity to get a high comp pick, then by all measure grossly overpaid during last FA period, but rebounded with a good to great draft. He wasted some picks moving up to get Edmunds. Could he have moved up without giving up Glenn? Who knows. But he got the QB and MLB he needed by doing what he says he will never do, draft for need. Personally I think drafting for need is perfectly fine, just trade down not up this year and draft for all the needs this team has.
Now he has a chance to redeem the lost 2018 season with smart FA choices and as above hopefully a few moves down in the draft to get at least one more day 2 pick to address the OL, TE , and WR groups.
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2-6 are fine. I would prefer not to take a WR in the first round. I just don;t see the value of a DT in the first round. They take too much time to develop and in McD's scheme they eat space not penetrate and disrupt. Much prefer OLB/DE if the go defense in the first round.
If a top edge rusher falls stay at 9 and take him. Consider Hockenson at 9 but ultimately I would trade down 3-10 spots. Ideally drop 5-6 spots and get a first in 2020 and a third this year. Perfect partner would be Atlanta or Washington. Both of them are going to be worse next year and will be top 10 picks in 2020. Washington will want a QB, and Atlanta needs to make a splash for the current GM/HC to keep their jobs.
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Reminds me of Goodwin. Never reached potential here and really broke out with a new team. Only to get injured again.
A fourth. Sure. Nothing higher than that.
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9 drops is a lot. Only caught a little more than half the balls thrown to him. The same website has KB with only 2 drops but an astonishing 25 catches on 67 attempts.
At his age I would pass unless it was one year deal. He still likely would be better than Zay and could be a decent mentor for a new rookie. WR is a really difficult position to learn the nuances of the game. But that said, time to go young, tall, and fast. This team needs a gamebreaker at WR.
FYI Calvin Ridley and Julio Jones had 10 and 9 drops respectively....
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1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Here is a summary of this year’s FAs. I don’t see much there to overspend on and get excited about. I trust this F.O. to spend judiciously and find a few contributors, but I don’t see it is as a good plan to spend $60mill in cap space for any group of these guys. These are gap fillers, not game changers.
I see no attainable long-term starters that are real significant starters. I’d rather find a way to get more premium draft picks (top 64) than to spend heavily on any of these guys. Can they trade down in round one and nab another 2nd? Can they trade up from the 3rd for another 2nd? Can they trade 2 4ths for a late 3rd? Can they get a 2nd or 3rd in trade for a player currently on the roster?
Money aside, what 2 or 3 FAs can you see in this class that are really top 1/3 of the league starters at their position?
Beane overspent on Murphy, Ivory, and Star. Bodine contract was ok as was the McCarron contract even if both players weren't that good. Star played well enough to forgive the dollar amount. Ivory's and Murphy's production could have been equaled with far less dollars (hell UDFA's for that matter) and that in turn could have given them a chance to go after another WR or OLB.
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11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I don’t know Oldtimer. I have watched the Saints do it for YEARS. The NFL salary cap is designed to allow you to kick the can down the road. There is really no such thing as “cap trouble” unless you are inept. You can make any move that you want a reality. Every team has some places that they can “manipulate” if need be to get whomever. The Charles Clay release is a perfect example. If the Bills were strapped the Clay savings ($4.5M) could get them a competent starter(s) elsewhere. That savings alone could give the Bills something like Eiffert and Jordan Phillips. That is without ever touching the previous space.
To take it a step further the Bills could release Shady and the savings from Shady and Clay could get you Le’Veon Bell (if you wanted). It is all about contract structure. That’s what the Saints have figured out. They just keep pushing everything into the future because their window is open. You keep it going as long as you can and then you hit the reset button. You are fine a year later. The capologists know EXACTLY how to work the cap.
Which is exactly why this "cap crisis" was manufactured and completely unnecessary. Beane wasted an entire year shedding talent and scapegoating the prior regime whose players (with notable additions Hyde, White, Poyer by McD) made the playoffs.
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20 minutes ago, EricScott said:
I completely agree with White Linen; out of all the QB's I've ever seen, Allen most closely resembles John Elway. Except that so far, Allen is the more accurate of the two, and I believe will prove to be the more accurate of the two going forward. Don't believe me? Elway's completion percentage his rookie year was 47.5%. Look it up. In fact, Elway didn't get over the 60% mark until his eleventh year in the league, and he only surpassed it two other times! But like Allen he was very mobile in his younger years and really dangerous out of the pocket extending plays. I remember seeing Elway in his rookie year and thinking he looked extremely raw as a passer, much more so than Allen.
Good post. Different eras so the comp percentage comparison is hard to truly evaluate. 1983 college QB play was not what it is today. But the Elway comparison is valid.
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Like someone else pointed out, if Allen is running that much then the o-line will be a mess, his supporting cast not much improved and his progression as a QB will have failed.
300-350 yards would be the sweet spot. Enough of a running threat to earn some first downs when the plays break down.
The most important thing is not yards it is turnovers and then TDs. I don't care if he ever breaks 300 yards passing if he has 30 TD and 10 picks.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
For comparison fun:
Lamar Jackson:
Ceiling: Michael Vick.
Josh Allen:
Ceiling: Steve Young.
I keep saying that the QB Allen most compares to IMO is Steve Young. I think he is going to be a feared passer and a feared scrambler just like Young was.
And for the non racist comparison....
Allen at this point is most comparable to Roethlisberger, Steve McNair, Randall Cunningham, and Daunte Culpepper. All big strong armed guys that ran early in thier careers.
Jackson’s ceiling might be as high as Tarkenton or Staubach both of which had 57% career completion percentages(in a far different era I will give you). Jackson is a far better thrower than Vick but without the cannon Vick had. And at this point in his career is more like Elway with less of an arm.
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Fix the OL. Skill positions cant do anything behind a crap OL
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You dont need analytics to see Zay is a bust and the entire WR group is awful. You dont need analytics to know Allen git better as the season wore on and Foster started to play better. But you also don’t need analayics to know he turned the ball over too much, missed many easy throws, but showed more potential than any QB since Kelly.
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On 2/20/2019 at 11:09 AM, Utah John said:
RBs in this league have a tough time convincing anyone they're worth very much. It's pretty sad. A really talented RB with a bad O line is no more productive than a mediocre RB with a great O line. And the team with the great O line can do more things offensively to help their passing game. Why invest huge money in RBs? There are some exceptional RBs who actually are worth more than the average, but not nearly the amount that Bell was trying to get from the Steelers.
I don't think Bell is a bad-attitude, problem child like AB. I think he had a very incorrect sense of his own market value. If the Bills could get him for $3M a year, he is powerful enough to do better for them than Shady, who was lost behind that pathetic O line last year. Shady deserves a chance to get only to a winning team to close out his career.
I would disagree. A mediocre RB with a great O-line probably makes the Pro-bowl. RBs are a dime a dozen.
Now put a great RB behind a great line and you get great results. Emmitt Smith had no more talent than Barry or Thurman, but his o-line and QB were stellar.
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7 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:
Eventually, when done right, this will be us.
Current coach and GM cost the team a 3rd round pick last year. They will be significant buyers in FA this year and probably next. So they will not sniff a comp pick for at least two or three more years.
Will that matter? Who knows. They have ten picks mostly in the low rounds this year. They have enough picks to draft for depth, trade for higher picks this year or next.
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I wanted Allen over Darnold and Rosen, but would have been happy with Rosen.
But come on board, Allen was a worse version of TT last year. Occasional big plays, lots of missed throws, lots of three and outs, lots of great runs, and triple the number of turnovers.
Allen had some great moments that suggest he can be a great QB and he seemed to get better as the year went on, which was great to see. But I would take a step back before you start saying Rosen is a bust and Allen is a sure thing. Lots of time and lots of development needed.
One thing is for sure, they both had the worst supporting casts in the NFL
'Buffalo is very, very interested' in Matt Paradis
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Paradis, Taylor, and just bring back Miller