CincyBillsFan

But if you consider this season as being 2 mini-seasons for Allen he did improve his TD/INT ratio: Pre-Injury Allen was 2 TD/5 INT Post-Injury Allen was 8 TD/7 INT That's a huge improvement and bodes well for further improvement next season.

Outstanding news! I also like that it happened quickly. My guess is that this guy will be a great sales person in influencing FA's to sign in Buffalo.

As others have pointed out one of the things forcing Allen to throw downfield was the number of times the offense was in 2nd or 3rd and LONG. Negative yardage running plays on 1st down; numerous holding penalties and false starts tended to leave the Bills in a lot of long yardage situations. In fact looking back over Allen's highlights you see excellent pocket presence and accuracy on throws he made on 2nd & 3rd and long. But if folks want high completion percentages and lots of check down passes re-watch the Anderson/Peterman games where you can gorge yourself on all those 8 yard completions on 3rd & 13! There's a reason the top QB's have high % completions and YPA: they have the play makers at TE & RB to turn those dump passes into something electric. They also have very dangerous deep threats which opens up the check downs. BTW, I think we're actually doing okay with our deep threats. Now we have to up the play of our TE's & RB's.

That would be an inaccurate description of what we all saw AFTER Allen came back from his injury.

I may be off base here but another way to think about accuracy versus completion percentage is that one is almost entirely on the QB while the other relies as much on the offensive scheme being run; the defensive scheme being run (prevent defenses are great for boosting ones completion %) & the quality of the receivers. Another way to look at it is let's say I play WR for the NO Saints this week in practice. We can all agree that Drew Brees has the highest % completion in the NFL. So stick me out there and get one of the Saints CB's to cover me. After throwing 100 balls to me Brees will likely have a % completion average of about 0. Does that mean he was inaccurate? Of course not.

But he lost a step which is hard to blame on Allen. And maybe next year McCoy can get back to where he was as recently as 2017. And it's not just the RB's we're talking about here. TE's play a crucial role in providing outlets for QB dump offs. While I think Crooms can develop into a moderate to deep threat receiving TE the Bills desperately need a big blocking TE that can release as the QB is flushed out of the pocket for the dump off. Funny how ALL four of the championship teams have this kind of player.

Thanks for doing the hard work to quantitate what a lot of us saw while watching the games. Allen does not have accuracy problems. In fact after coming back from his injury he repeatedly demonstrated exceptional accuracy AND touch. What he needs to work on are his footwork/mechanics in certain situations and to better read defenses both before & during a play. Given his intelligence & work ethic this should be something he can accomplish in the off season. And for the record until Allen has check down skill position players that are a threat to break a 5 yard dump pass into a 15 yard gain (see McCaffrey or Gurley) Allen would be better advised to throw the ball downfield. I suspect that the kids attitude will always mean his percentage completion numbers will suffer a bit as he favors making the longer throws. I'm more interested in seeing Allen's yardage per completion go up then his percent completion rate go up. Watching Mahomes in the playoffs has only reinforced my opinion that when throwing the ball Allen actually resembles the KC gunslinger. Now I know that's sacrilege to a lot of posters here but Mahomes succeeds because he puts the ball where his skill players can make a play. Remember the 2nd & 18 play where Mahomes hit Kelce across the middle for a 17 yard play against Indy? On that play the ball was low & out in front of Kelce but he made the catch. Now think back to the Jet's game where this board argued over a couple of pages that Clay didn't drop the pass but that Allen needed to make a perfect pass. IMO the pass that Allen threw to Clay in that game was better then the one Mahomes threw to Kelce. My observations were that a lot of Allen's throws were more then good enough.

Thanks for providing the link! I found the video to be highly complimentary to Allen, especially his passing game. I suspect that as more of these guys take the time to actually watch the games Allen played in after his injury they will have similar conclusions as Baldy did - that this kid is a special talent on the verge of exploding onto the NFL scene.

IMO in addition to all the fun we had going to 4 straight Super Bowls the only cmpensation for not winning at least one has been: * Seeing so many of the great Bills players of that era go on to the HOF. * Going to FOUR STRIAGHT Super Bowls - a feat that will probably NEVER be equaled or eclipsed. This is why I always root against the previous years Super Bowl participants. The fewer teams that can get back even twice in a row the greater the Bills legend grows. * Staging the biggest comeback in the history of PRO AND COLLEGE football!

You can't be serious with this are you? You don't think that Hill, Watkins & Kelce contributed to what you describe as "scrubs" getting open? If a defense doesn't construct a game plan to first stop Kelce, then stop Hill and then stop Watkins they're incompetent. And by the time a defense has accounted for those 3 there's not much left to deal with the "scrubs". And do you know why Bills fans know this? Because as much as we liked Beebe when he had a 4 TD receiving game we figured that Thomas, Reed & Loften had something to do with it! As far as KC having a weak defense wouldn't that help Mahomes in putting up bigger numbers? I mean shoot outs are made for creating big time stats. I think most Bills fans realize that Mahomes has had a phenomenal start to his career and that he's going to be a great QB. At the same time only a blind man would ignore the major contributions of the NFL's best WR & TE to Mahomes great start.

As a neutral fan you notice one thing about the refs - they aren't out to get the Bills they're just equal opportunity screw-ups. And while over the course of a season the good & bad calls probably cancel each other out, in the playoffs that isn't the case and this is where the inconsistency of the refs rears its ugly head and impacts game outcomes.

Not crying just observing how inconsistent NFL officiating is. This is one place that the league must improve its game. Some of it involves simplifying the rules and trying to get rid of some of the subjective calls. But part of it is improving the performance of the officials on the field.

Random acts of incompetence, which pretty much describes NFL officiating, are hard to predict. When all is said & done this will end up being a 150 yard drive!

The refs are trying to prove that you can call holding on every play. I'm so sick & tired of the inconsistent way in which NFL games are officiated.

"This game is turning into a RUNAWAY"

Don't bet on it. Rumor has it that Kraft is buying up the worlds supply of formaldehyde!

You're probably right but that's what's strange to me - I am proud to be a homer becasue I'm a fan! I don't pretend to be impartial. If you claim to be a fan but are not a "homer" then what the hell are you? Now that doesn't mean I'm blind to what goes on in Bills land and I don't view everything through rose colored glasses. I like to think that I'm a decent judge of NFL talent for the simple reason that I've spent 50 years watching the NFL closely. But I'll own rooting for any player that wears the blue, white & red! It's just like some of these people want Allen to fail while rooting for Mahomes to win the MVP.

For some of these people when it comes to the current Bills QB situation they want anyone BUT Allen. It's really strange. I mean it's like this kid has pissed in their corn flakes. I just don't get this fetish for Mahomes on a BUFFALO BILLS message board. A lot of teams that needed QB's passed him by. At least the Bills got something for passing him by.

First, most Bills fans are NOT saying that Mahomes would not have been any good if he had been thrown into the starting lineup in week 2 AS A ROOKIE with the Buffalo Bills. What we're saying is that he wouldn't have thrown 50 TD's and 4,000 yards and IMO that's a pretty safe bet. But at the end of the season we would have been excited about the future because Mahomes is a great QB and we would have seen flashes of that greatness - much like we've seen with Allen. Second, Mahomes numbers this year are the result of a perfect storm of Mahomes great play and a collection of skill players that rival the Bill's Super Bowl years offensive lineup. Add in the fact that the NFL has become a big passing league and you have Mahomes with 50 TD's. Reid has had great offenses before.

You don't think Reid's schemes, the O-line and the best TE & WR in the NFL aren't elevating Mahomes game? Look over the next decade I think this kid is going to be a great QB but he threw some poor passes today. I actually thought that in spite of Collingworths lavish praise, Mahomes didn't have a great day, he had a good day. IMO the story's of today's game were: * the KC defense which played it's best game of the year. * the poor play of Luck and Vinetari. * Kelce's dominating 1st half.

This is a weird game (and boring to) it's like BOTH teams have bad karma and the fates don't know what to do! Had Vinateri made his kicks this would be a ONE SCORE GAME. On the other side how KC has STILL NOT PUT THIS GAME AWAY is beyond me.

I'm very confident in saying that Allen is already at least half as good as Mahomes.

Next year, fireworks happens.

To give you an idea at how important play makers are the Watkins one handed grab likely prevented an INT.

Instead of worrying about why the Bills didn't draft Mahomes what about Kelsey? Did we have a shot at him? I remember him here in Cincinnati when he played for UC and he was a stud in college.