CincyBillsFan

They might win a playoff game! At the very least pick a brewery near a Skyline Chile and you could bulk the linemen up nicely. With spaghetti, cheddar cheese, brats and beer - who needs nutritional food. Stop at one of Jeff Ruby's steak houses and gorge on some prime beef and you can get all the protean you need.

Wow they have a cryochamber that can reach minus 198 degrees F! I wonder if they thought about freezing their best players in the off season and doubling the length of their careers? Also we could steal Brady's football and put it in this thing. Imagine Edellmen trying to catch what would truly be a ROCK. Hell, the ball might stick to Brady's hand and require amputation to get it off.

At first I thought there's no way I can pick one play. Then I thought about what was the most amazing game the Bills ever played and I kept coming back to the playoff comeback win against Houston. So I figured it had to be a play from that game and while I thought the Beebe TD catch was big I'll go with the successful onside kick executed right after that TD. That led to the Bills cutting the Houston's lead from 35 - 3 to 35 - 17 and suddenly the corpse stirred.

Great picture!

I'm not even going to throw out any qualifiers - Josh Allen is going to be a great NFL QB. I can't explain it logically or use fancy metrics to support my opinion here. It's a gut feeling that I have after following he Bills for 50 years and watching a lot of NFL football. Allen has the physical tools and the IT factor - he passes the look test. If he QBed the Jets or Dolphins I would be sick to my stomach thinking how this guy was going to "Brady" us for the next decade. I expect big things next year and beyond.

I'm looking at 11 - 5 5-3: Bills Away games: Titans (W), Cowboys (L), Browns (W/L), Steelers (W/L), Giants (W), Jets (W), Phins (W), Pats (L). I see the Bills either losing to Cleveland or Pittsburgh but not both. 6-2: Bills Home games: Broncos (W), Ravens (L), Eagles (L), Bengals (W), Skins (W), Jets (W), Phins (W), Pats (W)

I loved the pick and came to 2BD to see how many other folks loved it and got pretty depressed. Back then I was a lurker so I couldn't jump into the argument. I'm a big college football fan and watched a lot of those late night Wyoming games on espn when Allen was QBing. It was must see TV if you were a football fan and Allen's antics back then were a lot like what you're seeing with the Bills. Jaw dropping runs & passes; fiery disposition, wth was he thinking passes and skill players dropping balls all over the field. I remember one game in his last year at Wyoming where his WR's dropped 3 perfect passes in the 1st quarter alone. What impressed me was that Allen never lost his cool about it. He didn't show his receivers up. What's funny now is that I remember thinking as I watched those games that wouldn't it be cool if the Bills drafted this guy. He would be a steal in the 4th round! So yea even though we had to trade up to take him in the top 10 picks I'm glad they drafted him because IMO he is the real deal. His pre to post-injury improvements in every facet of his game give me a lot of confidence in his future. And for those concerned about Allen's accuracy, just remember it matters who you have around you. Cam Newton went from a career 59% completion average to a 68% completion average in 2018. And it asn't because he suddenly got "accurate". It was because he had a guy in the backfield named Christian McCaffrey who was worth dumping the ball off to.

Good luck to him though I still haven't forgotten about his dropped TD against NE. Sorry but that was a catchable ball for an average NFL TE.

I'm drinking the koolaid AND following it up with a Whiskey chaser and saying 11 wins!

And when given time to sit in the pocket Allen had a number of memorable throws. Specifically watch replays of his TD throws against Jacksonville, Detroit, Miami & the last TD throw against Miami at home in the final game. He sits in the pocket and throws very accurate passes down field. Even in situations where the pocket collapses around him like the famous Jacksonville TD pass or his last TD pass against Miami, he seems oblivious of the pressure. In fact I can't recall a single inaccurate pass when he was able to sit in the pocket after he came back from his injury (I'm sure there was one I just don't recall it). My sense was that on a lot of plays Allen faced IMMEDIATE pressure up the middle and was forced to roll out. These were not cases where he abandoned the pocket to early these were cases of move or be sacked. In many of these situations he connected with accurate throws down the field. Again watch his highlight tapes to see what I'm talking about. Shoring up the Bill's pass protection up the middle was the #1 need on this O-line IMO. And they've done that with their FA signings. This is why I expect to see a huge jump in Allen's accuracy & passing production. That extra second is going to be the death of opposing secondary's.

I get that. But how often on 2BD do we see folks comparing Mahomes passing production in his 2nd season to Allen's in his rookie season? By my reckoning it's just about every time the two QB's are mentioned in the same thread together. The reality was that Allen was thrown to the wolves while Mahomes enjoyed the luxury of being properly prepared for becoming a starting QB in the NFL. And let's not even go into the gross differences in surrounding offensive talent Mahomes enjoyed compared to Allen. Bottom line is that I remain optimistic about Allen's long term future as the Bills QB. I believe that he and Mahomes will be two of the best QB's in the NFL over the next 5 years.

The Buffalo Zoo made me a Bills fan. I grew up west of Rochester and twice a year my family made the trek to the big city zoo in Buffalo. Some of my earliest memories are of these trips. When I was this young I wasn't interested in football though my dad watched the games on Sunday. But when I started to get interested in pro football at about 8 years old it only made sense to root for my dad's Zoo team!

Bingo! Funny how so many people seem to miss this little fact. It's also funny how in so many of these threads the pessimists on Allen pop up with their snide comments. IMO it's simple, Allen improved significantly after he came back from injury. Now with improved talent on the offense; a year under his belt where he was baptized in fire and a whole off season to focus on further improving his game you would have to be clinically depressed NOT to be optimistic that he'll be even better next season.

Making the playoffs next year is a realistic goal. Ditto for expecting to see a significant jump in the quality of Allen's QB performance. That Allen showed such a clear improvement post versus pre-injury gives us every reason to be optimistic about his continued growth. I think the Bill's FO has had an amazingly productive off season and has dramatically improved this team in the offensive areas it desperately needed improvement. They are now free to draft the best players available rather then trying to meet an immediate need. Throw in the fact that neither Miami or the Jets look greatly improved and NE is bound to slide as it continues to age and the Bills are perfectly placed to make a run at a divisional title.

As others have noted I would go with Jack Kemp. My reasons: * He QBed the Bills to 2 league championships. Their only league championships. * He's had the longest time to impact the franchise with his playing days being in the 1960's * As a nationally recognized congressman and a cabinet member of a presidential administration Kemp and his days as the Bills QB were routinely linked in the press thousands of times. It was an association between a former player and a team that added to the reputation of the Bills franchise in ways that winning & losing football games never could.

AB has done us a favor and let us know why he would have been a terrible addition to the Bills. The man has NO imagination. Sure there are better football destinations then Buffalo on the surface. But dig down a bit and AB would have seen that the Bills are a team with a young QB who just might be elite. Even better this QB is a gun slinger which is what EVERY top WR should want. Dig a little further and he would have found a team with a very good defense, solid owners & coaching, and a lot of cap room to sign more then just his expensive ass. If he'd have kept on digging he would have noticed that Buffalo is an alright place and that as he entered the later stages of his career he could have revisited the college experience with passionate fans making a Bills game more like an SEC clash then a pro game. But alas he appears to have the imagination of a rock. The thought of him coming to Buffalo and bitching & moaning when Allen missed him on a pass or when he saw a snow flurry in October would be truly depressing. Much better that we draft our own late round WR gem.

I would be fine with letting veteran QB's battle it out but back to back top 10 picks? They need to be learning the pro game not fighting for their NFL life right from the get go. IMO this would be to distracting. Take Allen, he was competing to land the starting job as a rookie, NOT to stay on the team. In a Rosen/Murry battle the loser's stock would drop, especially Rosen's, and they might struggle to land anywhere else at close to what they're making now. IMO it would be crazy to give up on Rosen at this point and the Cards should be looking to trade their #1 for a boatload of picks. But if they do want Murry then they have to trade Rosen NOW when his value is highest.

I guess so. As an aside I remember watching him play high school football at Saint X down here in Cincy and you could tell he was a special type of player.

I think any talk of Kuechly being "done" is very premature! As for McCaffrey I suspect that over the next 5 years he will put up numbers making him the best all around RB in the NFL. But hell yes if McBeane can get us these 2 guys I would be all for it!

And what would the Bills & Western NY have to give up to get these two - Niagara Falls?

Not really. Looking just at my guess for his passing stats: 25 - 30 TD's would have placed Allen somewhere between #9 - #13 among 2018 QB's and 3600 yards would have placed him at #18 among 2018 QB's. Solid, but hardly MVP passing stats. And I agree that scoring 10 - 15 TD's on the ground would be special but he scored 8 this year in about 11 full games so 10 seems very doable. Sure 15 would be a reach but given how effectively Allen ran the QB sneak he'll be called on to convert most of the TD's when the Bills are inside the 1 yard line. I just think that on passing plays the Bills 3rd check down will be Allen running with the ball. This will make the offense very dangerous, especially in the red zone. So while my guess at Allen's production in 2019 is optimistic it's also very doable.

That would be a damn fine season!

I'm also optimistic that this will be Allen's breakout year. I'm thinking 3600 yards passing and 800 yards rushing. Figure on 25 - 30 passing TD's & 10 - 15 rushing TD's. I suspect that Allen & Jackson are the start of an NFL trend where a QB's run game is a bigger part of the offense. And it won't all be read option plays - there will be a lot of diversity in HOW teams utilize their running QB. In the case of Jackson the Ravens will employ designed runs as the focus of their offense. The Bills will rely more on classic QB scrambles to generate chunk rushing yards by Allen. Either way a running QB will increasingly be a significant part of a teams offense. In the case of the Bills I look for Allen's rushing TD's to be as high as 15 as he is probably the best at the QB sneak for those short yardage TD's and his running ability will be deadly in the Bills red zone offense next year. As for injury's, who knows. That's the big bugaboo in all this. But I think Allen can rush for 50 yards a game, most of which will be critical yardage, AND stay healthy over the course of a season. Only time will tell if my optimism is warranted.

The Bills should absolutely invest in offensive skill position players. If they're going to get any type of accurate read on whether Allen is improving, staying the same or even regressing they must upgrade RB, TE & WR. This is also a good way to improve the Offense and the Bills chances of making the playoffs next year. At the same time the Bills should not break the bank on a high profile player like those two misfits from Pittsburgh. There is also an O-line to upgrade and the better the O-line the more production we'll get even from our existing skill players. Clearly the Bill's front offense must balance the O-line rebuild & skill player upgrade and I suspect they're fully aware of this. We have to trust in the process until we no longer do. I would submit that if they sign a bunch of defensive studs but in the end Allen is still running for his life; RB's are still getting nailed for 3 yard losses on 1st down and we can make a 10 minute highlight video of dropped passes we can kiss the "process" goodby.

It's nothing less then astonishing to see how much better Allen was at avoiding sacks after his injury then before. And we can all agree that this wasn't because the O-line was improved. In less then six full games before his injury Allen was sacked 21 times! After the injury and playing 6 FULL games Allen was only sacked 7 times. To me this amazing reduction in sacks was due to Allen getting better at seeing the field and feeling the pressure. Importantly, Allen started trusting his athletic ability again. Before the injury Allen often had a deer in the headlights look which was not so surprising given how little he played with the 1st team in the preseason. I think after the injury Allen came back realizing that he had elite NFL level athleticism and that he could do some of the same stuff with his legs in the NFL that he did at Wyoming. And guess what he was right as he demonstrated over & over again.