CincyBillsFan

I think the push back is against people blaming Allen for the lack of 300 yard games as if he's the main reason for not hitting that number. If you put Mahommes on this offense in 2018 & 2019 with every thing else the same I'm not convinced he would have a 300 yard game yet. Are you? I also bet that if Allen had been QBing the Chiefs the last 2 years he would have had multiple 300 yard games. BTW, did you see the Buffalo News breakdown of the Bill's struggles with the screen pass? This season they are 11/16 for 34 yards throwing screen passes to their RB's, TE's & WR's! That's an extraordinary lack of production that can not be blamed on Allen. Hell only attempting these kind of passes twice per game is alarming. Oh and before you say Allen missed his screen receivers those incompletions were all the result of deliberate throwaways because the D was sitting on the play. As for having a "man crush" on Allen being the reason we defend him, well all I can say is that if Allen doesn't work out the Bills are set back another 3 - 5 years. And who wants that? Only someone suffering from dementia wouldn't give Allen until the end of his 3rd year to see if he's the guy. And if he isn't then we're back to square one in the draft. So yea we desperately want him to succeed and this involves giving him the benefit of the doubt. And that's not to hard to do when you see numbers like how many and how crappy the Bills screen pass game is.

For starters because the success of the play action pass depends on the success of the running game. A healthy running game that has the potential to break off long runs can really open up a passing attack. The Patriots did not focus any attention of Gore & Yeldon. They knew that even if the line opened up a massive hole Gore was good for 20 yards tops. There was no way either Bill's RB in that game was going to take it 60 yards to the house. Instead the Pats focused on taking away Allen's runs and short passes and forced him to throw downfield to beat them. There's also the mental aspect. How much more settling must it be for a young QB to have a dangerous running game at his back? Do you think it helps Lamar Jackson? As an aside what do you think about the Bill's screen pass production? Pretty amazing huh. Do you blame Allen for that? The Bills can't run the ball in a way that scares people (chunk yardage) and they can't execute screen passes to their RB's, TE's or WR's that gain yardage. Gee, that's just what we need to optimize the chances of success for our young QB!

How in hell is Allen supposed to throw for 300 yards if this damn team can't execute simple screen passes? Have you folks seen the article in the Buffalo News detailing the AMAZING production we have had throwing RB screen and TE/WR screen passes? Here's what we've done this season: * 5/8 for 23 yards on RB screen passes! * 6/8 for 11 yards on screens to TE's/WR's! And you can bet almost all those incompletions were balls deliberately thrown into the ground to avoid a loss of yardage or an INT on the play. If this isn't an indictment of our collection of skill players & O-lineman I don't know what is. I suspected the production on screens was bad but this is biblical badness. Complete INCOMPETENCE on the part of our offense. Is there a fatal flaw in Daboll's screen play designs? This kind of data convinces me even more that Allen is the least of the offenses problems. In fact we may be getting a complete misread on the guy due to our inability to execute simple screen passes. How many yards has Kyler Murray amassed throwing these types of passes? 75% of his total! Take another look at those numbers. The last thing we should be crying about are the lack of 300 yard games. That's the least of the passing games problems. Not being able to execute simple screen passes puts enormous pressure on a 2nd year, raw project QB. Throw in our less then explosive running game and this whole thread is barking up the wrong tree IMO. We won't see many 300 yard games until we surround Allen with the talent to actually achieve this milestone. I just hope we don't ruin a promising young QB in the process.

These are astonishing stats! Last night the combined screen play yardage by SF & AR in just ONE GAME blows our season production for screens out of the water. * 5/8 for 23 yards on RB screen passes! * 6/8 for 11 yards on screens to TE's/WR's! And you can bet almost all those incompletions were balls deliberately thrown into the ground to avoid a loss of yardage on the play. If this isn't an indictment of our collection of skill players & O-lineman I don't know what is. I suspected the production on screens was bad but this is biblical badness. Complete INCOMPETENCE on the part of our offense. Is there a fatal flaw in Daboll's screen play designs? This kind of data convinces me even more that Allen is the least of the offenses problems. In fact we may be getting a complete misread on the guy due to our lack of a sustained running game and our inability to execute simple screen passes. How many yards has Kyler Murray amassed throwing these types of passes? 75% of his total!

Good stuff. I wonder though how much Allen is impacted by a very conservative coaching style? Take his 2nd start against the Vikings last year. He had almost 200 yards passing early in the 2nd period with the Bills up 24 - 0. Then he threw a prefect deep pass that would have gone for at least 60 yards had Foster not dropped it. From that point on the Bills stopped throwing downfield. I get why they did this - rookie QB and unexpectedly up 27 - 0 on the road against a good team. But I suspect that MOST teams would have kept the pressure on until early in the 4th. Had the Bills been more aggressive in the 2nd half I suspect Allen would have had his first 300 yard game in the bag already. And we saw a similar thing this season against the Giants where Allen's 1st half performance seemed to indicate he was on his way to 300 yards.

I disagree. It contributed for sure but to me our defensive letdown was the main reason we lost that game. The Bills are built to win more 13 - 10 games then they are to win 34 - 31 games. No doubt failing to score after the fumbled punt was a big deal. But it's not like we got the ball in the red zone. it was at the Eagles 44 as I recall. And it's fair to say that the Eagles 1st TD right out of halftime was as big or even bigger momentum changer then Allen's fumble right before half. And the Eagles last 2 TD drives probably ran off almost 14 minutes in TOP costing the Bills at least 2 offensive possessions. That's why for the Redskins game the most important thing is for the Bills Defense to get back on track. We can't give Washington the kind of long time consuming drives that we yielded to BOTH the Eagles & Dolphins. And if Haskins is QB it's on the D to force TO's on the Redskins side of the field. Our offense needs all the help it can get and after 7 games it's only received the ball in the opponents red zone ONCE.

I remember this game. Interesting to note that the Bills had some pretty good skill players back when Edwards played. I think it's fair to say that Lee Evans & Fred Jackson are more explosive then anyone on the current Bill's O.

But that's a two way street. A couple of forced 3 & outs of the Eagles in the 3rd quarter would have gone a long towards keeping the D fresh.

So this guy is putting it all on two weak Bills offensive possessions and not on the two Eagles 3rd quarter possessions that resulted in 14 freaking points? Is that how revisionist thinking works? And how about that 4th quarter Eagles drive that went 84 yards into the wind; chewed up over 8 minutes of playing time and put the game out of reach at 31 - 13. Does this genius think that might have played a role in the loss?

Yep moving the goal posts is great ain't it? And remember Allen doesn't have a 300 yard passing game unlike say Andy Dalton who had one just last week! Oh wait......

It's not easy to hit a WR with a pass in stride on a straight line 55 yards down field. This is the NFL not college football. Most long pass completions are guys tracking to the deep ball.

Come on man you're moving the goal posts to take a shot at Allen. We all just saw Rudolph miss a WIDE OPEN WR by as much as Allen has missed a guy deep. And then he followed that up by missing on another deep ball by a couple of yards. Let me know when Rudolph hits a deep ball like the one Allen hit last year against Jacksonville or Detroit. Long pass completions are at best low probability plays. Gven that Allen is now accurately hitting his short passes Folks are focusing on the deep plays because Allen is struggling a bit here.

Wrong. Watch it again. If Foster makes a move back to the ball it's either a 50 yard catch or PI on the D. That kind of throw and catch are bread & butter plays for a lot of the deep ball throwing NFL teams like the Chiefs, Rams Saints. Watch a couple of their games to see.

He's also lucky he hasn't been picked at least 2 more times. As for who throws a better long ball the sample size isn't big enough yet. In his 18 starts Allen has hit several long throws. How many has Rudolph hit in his 4 starts? let's wait until each QB has at least 32 starts to determine who throws the best deep ball. BTW the more I look at the deep ball Allen threw to Foster the more I see it as an excellent deep shot. Most deep passes are balls that the WR TRACKS and catches. Foster made NO play on the ball and just kept running his deep pattern like a HS kid would. In the NFL I've seen that pass completed a lot as the WR adjusts to the ball. And I just saw Rudolph over throw by 5 yards a WIDE OPEN WR on a deep pass. Oh he just overthrew another deep shot. BTW, these deep passes are not easy to hit.

He is? Tonight early in the 4th quarter he's 18/32 which is a 56% completion average. And that includes a Steelers game plan that features screens & short passes.

Brown is putting up #1 numbers because he's being targeted like a #1 guy becasue he's the best the Bill's have at WR. What Brown hasn't done is to take a game over. This means making the type of catches you saw by shuster; or taking a quick slant breaking a tackle and going 80 yards for a TD or catching 7 passes for over 200 yards like Kupp did yesterday. These are the things a true #1 WR does on a regular basis.

And you need a RB that can catch the ball out of the backfield and a RB that is a threat to break off 20+ yard runs if you rely on the nickle to much.

No, not even close IMO.

I am. The Dolphins have dropped at least 2 INT's tonight. And when was the last time a WR made a catch like that for Allen? The closest I can think of was the one by Knox along the sideline against NE. But even that wasn't as nice as the one we just saw. And do we have a running back even half as good as Connor? I think it's fair to say that Pitt's top 2 WR's are better then our top 2 guys; that Pitt's top RB is better then our top RB and Pitt's top TE is better then our top TE.

An NFL defensive coordinator should lose their job over that call. Period end of story. My guess is that he was following orders. This was part of the tank job and that should concern the NFL a whole bunch. It's fine if you want to blow up your team by trading everyone away but to screw things up DURING a game calls the integrity of the league into question. And did you notice how none of the tools in the halftime show called attention to just how bad that call was.

MUCH WORSE Happy! Haskins can't even figure out how to set the offense. He's played in the equivalent of half a football game and has 4 INT's. If a Haskin's QBed Redskins team beats the Bills the defense has serious problems.

The scary thing if you're Roger Goodall and the NFL is that it's entirely possible that this was a deliberate BAD defensive call designed to allow the TD. Booger is absolutely right - YOU NEVER run that defense in that situation. My goodness a high school coach might lose their job over that defensive call.

Yep the never ending changing of the goal posts with Allen. On the fumbles: * The first was when a DE fly's by our tackle as if he wasn't there and swats the ball out of Allen's hand. Allen makes a great play to recover it. * The designed sweep was playing Allen as a RB which he isn't. When we surprised teams with that play early in the season he rumbled for 10 yards or a TD and never really got hit. On that play it was obvious the Eagles expected it and their whole D was flying to the ball. There were all sorts of body's in there and the Allen fumble shouldn't be that surprising under the circumstances. * The last one was when he got WHACKED from behind trying to throw deep down by 18 in the 4th quarter. * People seem to forget that Wendtz also fumbled after being sacked but was fortunate that the ball bounced right back up to him.

Watch Hill from KC and how he adjusts to balls like that. My guess is he makes a big 50 yard catch on that play. Foster looked like a practice squad player running a deep pattern by the book.

Actually the Pats do in Edellmen. And last year they had Gronk + Edellmen. Isn't it funny that now that the Pats are down to only one big time play maker on offense other then Brady their offensive production has been pedestrian this year? Last night we watched a guy who was teaching HS a couple of weeks ago put up all pro passing numbers playing with KC's stable of explosive play makers. If anything I think we're underestimating how important these guys are for a QB & Offense.