CincyBillsFan

I give him a B+/A-. I scored him a B in the 1st half and an A+ in the 2nd half. In the 1st half the entire Bills O seemed to be out of sync just a bit. Three long drives all ending in FG's isn't great but a bad drop by Knox kept us out of the end zone on one of those drives. I've seen this before when a team comes back from a by week. The FACT of the matter was that the poor play of the defense likely robbed the Bills of at least 2 more possessions in the half. In the 2nd half the D came out and allowed a spirit crushing 10 minute drive that Tre White saved with an INT at the 2. At that point I wasn't optimistic but Allen led the Bills on a 98 yard drive in which he was 5 - 5 including the game winning TD. On that drive the Bills overcame a false start & holding penalty. Allen also scored the all important 2 pt conversion on a nice run. On the next series the D got a huge TO and Allen hit 2 nice passes to score a game clinching TD. In the 2nd half Allen was close to perfect hitting on 10/11 passes for 112 yards and 2 TD's and he ran in the 2 pt conversion. And he again led the Bills to a 4th quarter come back victory. That gets a QB an A+ for that half in any grading system.

I don't know. Those stats indicate that Allen has solved his deep ball problem but the accuracy issue looks to still be there.

So you consider being rated #14 (Mayfield) out of 35 QB's to be a "bad" rating? In most lists like this the top 5 - 10 would be considered Excellent; the middle 15 - 20 would be considered average and the bottom 5 - 10 would be considered "poor". So depending on how they group their list Mayfield is NOT considered bad and neither would Mariota and perhaps even Winston. The problem with PFF and analytics in general is the over reliance on numerical ratings to try to judge the effectiveness of a QB. The game of football, unlike baseball, does not lend itself to these types of evaluations.

Hopefully it's not serious. The league is a more boring place if a QB like Mahomes isn't out there every week.

Looks like John Boy screwed up with his head coach selection to.

Who needs first downs when you can boost your PFF QB rating by completing passes. It's all about accuracy didn't you know!

If they had only rated Allen poorly you might have a point. But did you check out their other QB ratings? Luckily they're not using these analytics to launch rockets - it would be ugly. He's definitely playing better then Mayfield and Mariota. Can you honestly say he isn't?

Elway is on the hot seat - or should be. That was a big stop by the Broncos D.

Denver looks flat. Which is surprising as this is pretty much their season. Win tonight and they're in the division hunt. Lose and they might as well tank for a shot at a good QB - which they desperately need.

Agree 100%. Bills blowouts save me money by reducing my consumption of TUMS antacid.

Well said. We all get that Allen needs to improve his game substantially to be a top flight QB. He is a work in progress and still very raw. But listening to these guys and having heard and read their other stuff about Allen you can't miss their deep bias. All I hear about when they discuss Mayfield is that his O-line is struggling. Yet they don't think to mention that Allen was missing 3 O-line starters against TN? IMO they have very little credibility when it comes to discussing Allen.

I like Brown but at best he's a borderline big play guy. He strikes me more as a technician at WR. In Baltimore he benefited a lot from play action passes for his big completions down field. I'm not sure the Bills running game right now strikes enough fear in a team that it freezes the safeties. That the analytics used by PFF to rank QB's isn't worth a damn.

And Winston, Mariota and Mayfield are?

And it's not just those two. How is Baker Mayfield rated that much higher then Allen. It takes a special type of number crunching to come up with that metric. Maybe the analytics guys are giving Winston bonus points for throwing 5 INT's in one game while Allen only threw 3. And in the case of Winston he threw his against a much weaker defense then Allen did. And maybe Mariota got bonus points for losing to Buffalo and scoring only 1 TD in the process?

What a couple of tools. Seriously, you can hear the bias dripping off their tongues. Did they even watch the game? "Allen is completing passes but he's still not accurate Bills fans"? What the hell does that even mean? Are these two morons saying that in all those short pass completions the receivers were having to make circus catches? They seem concerned that Allen isn't making "Big Plays" but who on that offense are the "Big Play" guys? Maybe Foster & Singleterry who were both out. And did these two numbskulls even realize that the Bills were without THREE startling offensive lineman? I know I should just ignore these guys but it's hard to ignore STUPID when it's in your face.

Remember they were saying the same thing abut the Bills until the Minnesota game!

I don't think Fitz is just blowing smoke up our butts here. Belichick said a similar thing and I suspect that there is a growing sense among players & coaches that something is being lost in these Taj Mahal football palaces that resemble super malls more then stadiums. New Era field is one of only a few NFL stadiums on any given Sunday that has that college football vibe going on.

I've just heard that they were banged up and not very good when healthy except for the center who is solid. I saw the tweet from the Miami beat writer today (it's on the pre-game thread) quoting Flores as sounding pessimistic that their center will be able to go Sunday.

IMO starting Fitz does in fact increase, however slightly, the chance that Miami springs an upset or keeps the game close. With Rosen there was ZERO chance of a close game let alone an upset but Fitz has shown that he can catch fire. It will be important for the Bills to bring their A game and let Fitz know in the 1st quarter he's in for a long day. Now that I've gotten my worry wart side out of the way this might also be a move forced on Flores by the likelihood that Miami will be without their starting center Sunday. As banged up and ineffective as the Dolphins O-line is the loss of the center might make it almost impossible for them to move the ball. Throwing Rosen to the wolves might be something that Miami isn't ready to do yet.

Yep I remember it to. It seemed to always get blown up. Remember in the playoff game at Rich Stadium against Jacksonville that we lost? Kelly tried a shovel pass and it was INTERCEPTED! The difference today is that they're doing it off a jet sweep to a lesser known player. Back in the day it was a static two yard forward pitch to Thomas who the other team was keying on!

As key weapons are lost and defensive coordinators adjust to how the loss of those players impact a QB like Mahomes the more he starts to look mortal. This is a normal condition of the NFL. Mahomes is a great QB and will bounce back. But you're right over the last couple of games Mahomes has made some throws that would have gotten Allen clobbered by certain posters.

This is so true and is the reason Zay is in Oakland. Almost every NFL game I watch I hear the announcers talk about how a receiver had to "become a defensive back on that play". This is a MINIMUM requirement for an NFL WR.

What a difference in perceptions a couple of weeks make in the NFL! Wait, I think I just saw Winston throw another Interception! And the stewardess is taking it to house!

As an organization if you really are tanking you have to start Rosen the rest of the season. You need to know if a guy drafted #10 just last year can be the franchise QB for your team. If he can it changes what you will do at next years draft. The best case scenario for Miami is that Rosen catches fire, plays well and the Dolphins win a couple of games and are picking say #3. At this point they don't have to take a QB and could potentially trade out of #3 for a lot of picks. Worst case scenario is Rosen sucks you get the #1 pick and you can trade him for a 7th round draft pick. There is NO value to winning games with Fitz. You lose draft position and Fitz is not the answer to your QB needs. I think the reason they benched Rosen today was to keep him alive to play again. Not to mention that you don't want him to get booed off the home field. Not good for a young QB's confidence. I'm thinking that question has already been convincingly answered!

I think this point is underappreciated by some Bill's fans. You can make a strong argument that last year Allen was put into a position every bit as bad as Rosen was. Everything from not taking a lot of 1st team snaps during training camp & preseason; a terrible O-line; the worst reeving core (WR's & TE's) in the NFL and a weak stable of RB's. That Allen has made the progress he has is a main reason to be optimistic.