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I get it and for the record I am pro-life. Sorry for the length, complicated topic. I do not think the patriot label applies to those people and it is there that we part ways on the topic. We rebelled against the British because it was a monarchy and we did not have a vote. Our forefathers crafted a nation of democratic rule where majority votes hold sway (well not women right away or black folks)...it is an evolving effort. Just because a disillusioned few did not like the last democratic vote and turn to violence does not make them heroes. Frustrated, angry, and enemies of democracy maybe. Think, if 4 years ago when Trump won, all those liberals grabbed their guns and what not and stormed the capital to prevent his electoral certification to defend their views. Would they be patriots too? No? Why? Because they hold different views from your own? e pluribus unum. Democracy is messy and far from perfect, but we have non-violent means to express our views and seek representation from our leaders. As to Trump's position on abortion over the years it has been fluid. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-evolving-stance-abortion/story?id=38057176
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WOW ! Will the Lies Never end ?
WideNine replied to T master's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Denial? You are right in a sense. Independence is denying letting a party affiliation overrule your own political judgment and positions. It allows me to practice objectivity, and forces me to be self-aware rather than an empty vessel waiting to be filled with some partisan propaganda. For me it allows more freedom to assess a political candidate based on their platform, record, and character. I have more respect for representatives that have a decent record of breaking with their party vote if they do so for good reason. It is also a unique position that forces candidates to work outside their comfort zone to court our swing votes. -
WOW ! Will the Lies Never end ?
WideNine replied to T master's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Cheney and Haliburton. If there is an organized military industrial complex that relationship was pretty good proof. IMO. Not against a strong military, just comical how some of our geopolitical enemies are able to keep us on our toes spending a fraction of their rubles. -
WOW ! Will the Lies Never end ?
WideNine replied to T master's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
There were a lot more war hawks in Congress after 911. Defense industries made some good coin. I am a bit cynical regarding non-strategic large-scale military operations over prescriptive military, economic, and covert operations. -
WOW ! Will the Lies Never end ?
WideNine replied to T master's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I think you may have proven my point about your partisan slant. I am an independent, but GOP actions over the past decade have pushed me towards voting more Dem. Let's see if after 4 years we have folks rioting and destroying our capital buildings.... We will see where the deficit is at, and jobless rates, quality of living and then judge this administration. -
You do have to admit that there was and is a significant gap between the "sensible" intellect of Trump supporters vs liberals in the past. QAnon, white supremacist, armed extremist, kidnapping plotters, and nut jobs like the one below prove education and mental healthcare need greater investment. https://www.instagram.com/p/CKTvKFLpVSl/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Sure folks can and will argue social policies, but liberals did not storm the capital when Hillary lost. Did they bank on some legal moves or procedural efforts - yes, but imagine if Trump won the popular vote like she did, yet lost the electoral???? I am fairly conservative myself and prefer tradition. I am not a fan of all the weird labels and pc-speak that folks use like a wet blanket to deflect healthy debate or criticism. I do believe folks can try harder to tone it down, tolerate, and ignore. Myself included. I was told I was "gaslighting" and "invalidating my sister-in-law's existance" (amazing powers at my disposal). My crime? I only laughed and pointed out her vegetarian hypocrisy after she ordered a huge beef chimi at a Mexican restaurant. I probably should have just let it go, but was tired and she is one of those people who is always bragging about their next life-changing fad, and the controls I normally apply on my "inside words" failed. The wife was not happy, but it get's old. Was told she was still waiting for an apology. Not happening. I am ok with the labels