The Red King

I wouldn't expect this, but wouldn't completely rule it out. Beane has been making smart moves, and let's be honest, some real steals (waiting until the FA feeding frenzy was over then picking up AJ for a bag of footballs for example). Odds are, he'll give them an offer they're not crazy about and wait. Either Atlanta gives in to Julio, or they eventually buckle and accept Buffalo's offer. And the key to this is...Beane won't budge, and if that costs them Julio, ah well. And Atlanta will know that.

News flash: The way to avoid reading about Tyrod is to simply avoid clicking on threads with Tyrod in the title. That actually takes less effort then posting.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Good lord. I am getting sick of TT supporters thinking that anyone who doesn't support him must think he's terrible. And I'm sick of TT detractors thinking anyone who says he isn't terrible believes he's an outstanding QB. There is a middle ground and some people, like me, are there. I think Tyrod has his positives and negatives. I think he was a good QB for the Bills, but it was obvious last season the team finally outgrew him. They finally needed more then he could provide. I think he is a perfect fit in Cleveland right now. His ability to not make mistakes provides a stability that, for the Browns, outweighs Tyrod's inability/unwillingness to throw deep. Tyrod can take them to 4-6 wins which, after 1-15 and 0-16 would be quite well received. By the time the team outgrows Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready to go. I am just sick of the "If yer not for us, yer 'gainst us!" attitude here. Not everyone is a TT supporter or detractor.

...thanks, I needed a laugh this morning. Hmm, yes, the defense was terrible the last half of the season. I mean, they gave up a whole 10 points to the Jags in their own stadium and...oh...wait...maybe they weren't terrible the second half. Maybe they had a bad three-game stretch. And right there I knew that article was pure rubbish. Declaring with certainty our QB situation will be worse makes their adoration of Tyrod pretty clear...so this is another case of giving TT far too much credit for last season. Could they take a step back? Certainly. Worst in the league? Not even close. In other words, the writer is a twit, the article is click-bait, and his prediction is going to be placed up there with other gems of infinite wisdom like Rodak's infamous "The Bills' season is over before it started" from last year. ...how long until the season starts? Not sure how much more of this idiocy I can take... >.<

People are getting tired of the TT debate, especially since we're long past the point where anyone is going to convince anyone else. So, when another TT thread pops up, some people are quick to groan and complain. With that being said, I happen to think this is a very good post, bringing a lot to the table that hasn't been seen to date. So, while my first impression was "Another TT post? Ugh.", I'm actually glad the OP posted this.

You deal too much in absolutes. Where did I say Buffalo had a good receiver corp? Where did I say they were open every play...or most plays...or half the plays? But the fact is, there were still a number of plays he had open receivers and never pulled the trigger. With this corp of receivers I could wholley understand being cautious...but Tyrod took that too far. Your reply makes it clear though, that you really didn't read what I typed. Rather, you skimmed it, decided I was a Tyrod detractor, and reacted accordingly. What you claimed I said/believed was utterly and completely false. Please read my replies fully going forward. Thank you.

Well, dayum. Check and mate, if this is legit.

...yeah, yeah, slow news day around here, but after seeing the Pats logo I got to recalling how they pretty much stole the Bills uniform. I mean, prior to the SB years, the Pats were in these... Then came their current unis, which were a completely blatant rip-off of the then-dominant Bills unis... Alright, the new ones have a patriot head...that's about all that's still in common. Blue jerseys like the Bills...check. White pants like the Bills...check. Logo with a streak...check. Hell...a blue logo with a red streak...just like the Bills...check. Why is the disembodied Patriot head even streaking? That's a buffalo charge thing...are people frequently drawn streaking? I mean I suppose to their credit they at least didn't go with a red helmet, but damn that is some pretty blatant copying. I'm surprised they got away with it, especially since the Bills were in their division. It's not like they ripped off a NFC team or such. They changed unis, copied the unis of a winning team in an effort to reverse their fortunes...and ironically succeeded. Now this isn't a big deal, I'm not mad about it, raging, losing sleep or anything over it. It just...mildly irritates me now and then and wondered if any of you felt the same.

Isn't it refreshing to have a GM and coach that will actually speak their minds and call people out if need be? I mean...I still get shivers when I think back on Jauron's lifeless/emotionless press conferences! ?

When you highlighted my sentence, you forgot the first three words, "justified or not". In my opinion Tyrod's lack of faith in our receivers was unjustified. They weren't the best, but they were not bad enough to warrant his level of ultra-conservatism.

Justified or not, TT had zero faith in our receivers to make a play, and as a result never took a chance. As a result, the Tyrod you see in Cleveland is not the Tyrod you'd get if he stayed in Buffalo. Even if TT outperforms the Buffalo QBs this year I won't regret trading him because TT on the 2018 Bills would have resembled the 2017 outing.

Not surprising. Tyrod was brought in to provide consistency and stability to a train-wreck of a team. TT doesn't lose games by making mistakes, and doesn't win them with big plays. He may be mediocre, baseline, but right now that stability is more important to Cleveland. By the time the Browns outgrow Tyrod, Mayfield will be ready. This is why they traded for TT in the first place.

I think we have a shot at the division this season...more of one then we've had in many, many seasons. That being said, I still have to say the Pats are the favorite. I think they are vulnerable, but someone has to actually show they can do it. I mean c'mon, most every year there is a story about how the Pats are finally collapsing, and every year they...well...don't. I think the end is soon for them, might be this year...but too early to bet against them.

He's getting old, and wanted to milk it as long as he could. At the same time, he can see the days of the AFCE being a cakewalk are almost at an end. It's easy to want to play forever when your division is your b**** and you're all but guarunteed a playoff birth each season. It's a lot different when you're caught in a legitimate dogfight. Am I saying the Bills/AFCE are there yet? Maybe...maybe not...but they are not far off and Brady's seen that. That being said, I sure as hell am not writing him and the Pats off this season...

Definately. And he taught me what it was like to be a faithful fan even during tough times. When I was two years old, my dad was transfered from Buffalo to Omaha, NE. I grew up there, where the popular team was "whoever was good that year". Caught a lot of hell for being a Bills fan, especially with Super Bowls XXV and XXVI. In '92 we moved back to Buffalo and got season tickets. He taught me everything about the game, answered every question. And now, I'm doing the same for my daughter.

I heard he's getting a new one with Rosanne and O.J... XD

It does go both ways. If you saw my prior posts I called out both TT supporters and detractors.

Yeah, but then he'll complain his furnature wasn't even burned by fans of a playoff team... ?

... "If ya ain't for us, yer 'gainst us!" You obviously haven't paid attention to my prior replies in the thread, and just lump me in with Tyrod detractors. I've said plenty in support of the guy and have repeatedly mentioned he is a middle-ground QB. In fact, from just a few pages back... But yes, by all means, since I'm not a full-blown TT supporter, I must be a detractor that hates him. The irony is...you just perfectly validated the claim I made.

...and this is why talking to Tyrod supporters vexes me. What I said cast TT in the best light possible. Game film showed that he had receivers open deep a nunber of plays and he never pulled the trigger. That's not speculation, watch The 22, or hell, even just the game broadcasts. So, the question is...why didn't he throw? I chalk it up to lack of confidence in the receiver corp. I even made it clear that lack of confidence might be justified, even if in my opinion it wasn't. So, you tell me...game film showed TT had receivers open deep that he just didn't throw to. Now, let's go with your claim that it wasn't lack of confidence in the receivers. Now, that means there was a number of plays TT has receivers that he trusted open deep...and didn't throw. Why? Now...the remaining answers look less charitable for Tyrod...as they are all indicitive of flaws in him...not seeing the open receiver, not being decisive enough to be able to commit to the pass...not trusting himself to throw accurately (remember, you said he trusted his receivers). So...if he trusted his receivers, as you claim...why did he still refuse to throw to them when they got open? I swear, some Tyrod supporters really don't think things through, content to lash out at any anti-TT sentiment without actually considering what was said...

They were talking about the Chargers, not the Bills. The hub-bub comes in them saying the Chargers didn't beat any playoff teams, even listing the Bills as a win, suggesting they forgot the Bills were actually a Wild Card team.

The epitome of the phrase "Consider the source.", I suppose.

So...a team that went 0-16 is an honest-to-god real NFL team, while a team that went 9-7 with a playoff birth isn't? Am I misreading something here? The trade is good for both teams and TT. Tyrod had no faith in Buffalo's receivers, refusing to throw deep even when his receivers did get open, and refusing to throw into anything resembling cover. That confidence wasn't going to magically reappear this offseason. Had Tyrod stayed, we'd see the exact same frustrating ultra-conservative play this season. Going to Cleveland gives Tyrod a new group of receivers. Hopefully ones he can have faith in, which will allow him to loosen up and throw deep again. Note, I'm saying different receivers, not better ones. I think our receivers are better then Tyrod gave them credit for. But warranted or not...TT had no faith in them, he wasn't going to do any better if we kept him.

I'll take this one step further. With people polarized, some people here get real upset if you don't see TT the same way they do. I've said I think he's baseline, he doesn't make big plays to win, and doesn't make big mistakes to lose. He elevates teams below .500 and drags teams above .500 down. In my opinion, the Bills finally outgrew him, and the 1-31 Browns are a perfect fit for him. I have said that, and been attacked from it on both sides. TT supporters blast me for having the audacity to see him as middle-ground and not an amazing QB saddled with the Bills coaching and players...and TT detractors blast me for suggesting he's anything more then useless. It's that absolute factor I think that annoys a lot of people. People aren't flexible. And it's that attitude that makes things worse. Fanatical TT supporters and detractors frustrate the rest of us who just want the season to start so at least one of the two groups might shut up based on TT's play.

We're not gonna see eye to eye here. We have drastically different views on bend-but-don't-break defenses. The real story is, the defense played well enough most games to give the offense a chance to win. They went into Jacksonville and told the offense, "You put 10 points up, all game, and we're going to OT. Put up 11...we'll win." I'd take that in a heartbeat. Yards per game is not a statistic in a bubble as you claim. How often was the Buffalo D out there? How many three and outs by the Buffalo O? Buffalo's poor offensive play contributed to defensive fatigue, and as such directly impacted yards surrendered. Sorry, there is no one statistic that tells the whole story, isolated from any other factor. The Bills' defense regularly kept the team in the game far later then it had any right to. I see that as having played wonderfully, given how woeful the offense was. You obviously disagree, but there is no isolated statistic that will prove either of us right, so we'll each have to hold to our opinion on the matter.