Lieutenant Aldo Raine

Don't turn the subject back on Allen. You specifically stated, "Tua led a Top 2 D1 football program to a National Championship. Look at his college statistics verses Josh Allen's." This implies college statistics are a benchmark for being a NFL franchise QB. I am asking you to back that statement up using the chart of all the best college QBs ranked by passing stats.

1 Case Keenum* 19217 2007 2011 Houston 2 Timmy Chang* 17072 2000 2004 Hawaii 3 Landry Jones* 16646 2009 2012 Oklahoma 4 Graham Harrell* 15793 2005 2008 Texas Tech 5 Ty Detmer 15031 1988 1991 Brigham Young 6 Kellen Moore* 14667 2008 2011 Boise State 7 Baker Mayfield* 14607 2013 2017 Oklahoma 8 Luke Falk* 14481 2014 2017 Washington State 9 Colt Brennan* 14193 2005 2007 Hawaii 10 Rakeem Cato* 14079 2011 2014 Marshall 11 Mason Rudolph* 13618 2014 2017 Oklahoma State 12 Sean Mannion* 13600 2011 2014 Oregon State 13 Brett Rypien* 13578 2015 2018 Boise State 14 Philip Rivers* 13484 2000 2003 North Carolina State 15 Corey Robinson* 13477 2010 2013 Troy 16 Colt McCoy* 13253 2006 2009 Texas 17 Aaron Murray* 13166 2010 2013 Georgia 18 Kevin Kolb* 12964 2003 2006 Houston 19 Dan Lefevour* 12905 2006 2009 Central Michigan 20 Cooper Rush* 12891 2013 2016 Central Michigan 21 Brandon Doughty* 12855 2011 2015 Western Kentucky 22 Derek Carr* 12843 2009 2013 Fresno State 23 Tim Rattay 12746 1997 1999 Louisiana Tech 24 Ryan Lindley* 12690 2008 2011 San Diego State 25 Luke McCown 12666 2000 2003 Louisiana Tech 26 Chris Redman 12541 1996 1999 Louisville 27 Chase Daniel* 12515 2005 2008 Missouri 28 Mason Fine* 12505 2016 2019 North Texas 29 Brent Stockstill* 12483 2014 2018 Middle Tennessee State 30 Trevor Vittatoe* 12439 2007 2010 UTEP 31 Kliff Kingsbury* 12429 1999 2002 Texas Tech 32 Matt Barkley* 12327 2009 2012 USC 33 Jake Browning* 12296 2015 2018 Washington 34 Jared Goff* 12195 2013 2015 California 35 Drew Lock* 12193 2015 2018 Missouri 36 Zach Terrell* 12100 2013 2016 Western Michigan 37 Zac Dysert* 12013 2009 2012 Miami (OH) 38 Nick Mullens* 11994 2013 2016 Southern Mississippi 39 Shane Carden* 11991 2012 2014 East Carolina 40 Tajh Boyd* 1190 Well, according to you, these top 40 college QBs are guaranteed NFL franchise QBs. Go ahead, defend the chart! Source: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-yds-player-career.html

Man, if I had a dollar for every time Couch GMs used college statistics to project NFL success, I would own an NFL team.

You have a mouse in your pocket? You don't speak for all of us!

Says the overpaid PE teacher!

Every week , it’s the same talking points by the usual cast of the anti-Josh sorority!!! Come on ladies, give it a rest for a couple of weeks!

Damn, this sucks for him, his family, and the organization.

Too easy. Who ever loses leaves the message board. Although rumor has it, you are like on your third of fourth account.

Go to the top of the page, click "Show Vote Options", and then make your selection.

Well, if he was drafted on potential and he is trending in the right direction, hard to fault the fans for being optimistic and for some professional pundits who might feel the same, especially with the addition of more infused talent. There's a re-energized local and national excitement around the Bills that hasn't been around in a long time, and you can't deny Allen isn't a part of that excitement.

Is he trending in the right direction, meaning did he improve from year 1 to year 2, even if he is still in the bottom 1/3 based on chosen metrics? Are the coaches having an impact?

No Sh** it's a Two Bills Drive poll and that is where you are pulling your 83% from. I just stated that many professional pundits share that same sentiment that many of the 83% share. I also stated that many pundits share your opinion. I never said he was an elite passer at Wyoming. I stated he was drafted on potential and his raw skill set...do you dispute that?

It's not just fans, there's many professional pundits who see it the same as the fans and there are pundits who see it the same as you. It's only delusional to you because you want to frame it that way. The kid was drafted on talent and the ability of the coaches to extract that potential out of him. He wasn't drafted because he played at Wyoming. Some of you put way too much stock in college statistics and scouting reports which are not 100% factual indicators of NFL success or failure. If he fails, it's just as much a coaching failure as it is a failure on the player, because EVERYONE knows he was drafted on potential based on his physical skill set, and the coaches bear a certain responsibility to extract that out of him since they had a say in drafting him. If you don't see his improvement trending in the right direction, you are simply blind, biased, or just trolling. I will agree that many of us here to hope he reaches his potential, there are several here like yourself who hope to see him fail so you can feel virtuous.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote; don't hide!

Good luck with that brother - @TwistofFate is the know-all be-all when it comes to QB play. When Josh passes meets or surpasses his next metric, he'll just move the goalposts to continue with his charade.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote!

Top 10, mark it!

This oughta be good!

Poll please. Cornelius Bennett first and foremost in my opinion.

Why doesn’t Fromm just start then?

LOL; someone's getting a little taste of their own medicine! Love it.

Oh look, the overpaid P.E. teacher is back.

Nope not buying it. You have no proof other than conjecture. You made a point of fact, that he was a victim of COVID without any quantitative or qualitative proof. If you can provide that, I will gladly change my opinion.

Even after all that, you FAIL to convince me COVID Is nothing more than an excuse. I don’t have any reason to doubt what so-called experts said about Fromm. You went out on a limb and blamed COVID for his draft slide and I call that irrational excuse making. Again, my point has nothing to do with Fromm, it has to do with you conjecturing COVID into the discussion which didn’t appear to affect any other prospect...just Fromm. Like who really gives a crap where he went, he’s a Buffalo Bill now. Would you much rather him be a Jet drafted in the 2nd round?

Sorry, I don't buy how COVID is to blame for dropping in the NFL draft. This is a general statement regardless of who the player is. The only COVID rationale I would support would be if the player got sick from COVID. That said, I have high hopes that Fromm can be our back-up QB for the long term and step-in without a beat when needed. The other thing I would add, and that is how many teams outside of the first round were QB hungry in rounds 2, 3, and 4. If more teams needed QBs, surely Fromm may have went in those earlier rounds. Maybe NE I guess, I would surmise many of those teams weren't in the market for a QB. Buffalo certainly wasn't according to Beane, but at the 5th round, he was too good to pass up.