Lieutenant Aldo Raine

You can call it story, but it's real life. He's been shunned at JUCO, at D1, and now at the NFL and by many of is own fan base. He took a crappy 2 win Wyoming team to two straight bowl games in his two years as starter, and took the Bills to the playoffs in his second season. That is production, may not be all fancy and glossy with bright lights and stats, but he produces; it's just not as flashy. Like I said, you dont' know nor care to even know him and how he got to where hes' at. That's real life, that's character, and that resilience is what will hopefully make him successful whether you buy into what's in person's character or not.

I did allude your mind was made up about Allen at first and you slowly came around. You just admitted to the fact. I remember reading many of your posts, and early on you clearly doubted Allen. I never alluded that you still hold that sentiment, I clearly stated that you have changed your mind on him some. All @GoBills08 alluded to, was the fact that some people still hold the same preconception, and you called it nonsense.

Of course no will say that now, but let me ask you this? If he were to flounder, how many of you would be "I told you so, he sucks", "I have been saying it for three years". That's called rejoicing when he flounders, and there are plenty in here who would be doing that, and perhaps deservedly so. I guess I'm more invested in the kid because I want to see him succeed and because many of us see the potential in what he could become.

Okay @Bangarang. I'm a troll because you and your 11000 posts said so. I've been around long enough to know you too doubted Josh before you slowly came around. I've read your posts, and back then you had your mind made up just as @GoBills808 stated, but then you started to change your mind. Since you also want to bring the discussion down and call me a troll, perhaps you should become a moderator and then you CAN CONTROL everyone's opinions.

I am not arguing your stats and criticism thereof. However, you never seem to account for his all-purpose yards and TDs, because let me let you in on something...Yards = Yards. You never mention how in short yardage, it's almost a gimme; you never seem to credit the 4th QTR and game winning drives in a short career so far; you hardly criticize Oline play for the mindless penalties putting us into long field position, you never seem to credit when you are in third and long, we at least have a better chance at converting; you never seem to credit leadership, accountability. Lastly, as with many of you doubters, you don't know his story. He has been doubted his entire life, yet here he is. Maybe he will finally flounder at this level so you all can rejoice in your criticism. With who Allen had last year, where was he going to get his mythical 300 yards from? Beasley has a career average of 34 yards per game (he averaged 51 with Allen last year); John Brown has a career average of 49 yards per game (he averaged 70 with Allen last year). So if we are lucky, on a good day together they would average 150 yds. We need more production from other players such as TEs and RBs. So while yes his numbers aren't up to par per say, let's not act like his weapons are superior.

I'm a troll if I rebuttal all the doubters; they should just be allowed to spit their criticisms about Josh Allen without any kind of retort? Okay, aren't you the one who just said that's what this place is for? Let me guess, your 11,000 posts gives you authority around these parts? @jrober38 is a constant critic of Josh Allen, some warranted and some just plain ol whining. I've engaged with him many times, this is hardly the first time.

Like I said, whine all you want on this board...get it off your chest. I enjoy poking back at all you doubters.

Clearly!

You forgot to caveat this by saying, "as a fan" unless you are secretly Brandon Beane. Because that's all you and the rest of us are...FANS!!!! Bit** and moan all you want about the QB or any other players, you have NO SAY in their future good or bad.

No they’re not radical numbers at all, and I honestly think that’s a good bench mark. However, you fail to convince me how the mythical 300 yds equates to anything but 300 yards.

Then why don’t the Bills go get Derek Carr then? It seems so obvious, Carr is the missing link right? So if Josh throws 300 yds, the Bills win. Prove to me exactly how 36 more yds passing wins the game? I mean, the kid had 372 combined yards. He had his share in the loss no doubt, but if it’s a team stat (and I can agree with that) why did you leave out the defensive collapse and put the loss on Josh and 36 more yds?

Notice you didn’t put wins in there? So what you’re really saying is that you want another Derek Carr.

Vegas stadium not ready? Raiders to play somewhere else? Just a guess.

His release is hardly quick; it's elongated and average at best.

I’d take Herbert over Tua

There will be football!

Why do you take it personal when people criticize Newton and Jackson? They’re not Bills players. Why is it so personal for you to dog Allen compared to them? Why? Because you have personal motivations.

I'm not rambling. You hide your motivation in your deception. You can fool some, but I'm not fooled.

Because you are obviously a huge fan of those players and you will go to great lengths to defend them, even at the expense of your own QB in Buffalo. Yet you mock those who look at Allen in the same vain you look at Jackson and Cam Newtwon (as fans of the player). What is that personally bugs you about Allen so much? Like, it completely irks you that he is a Buffalo Bill.

You sure love to dog Allen against Jackson. I wonder why????? hmmm

So what you’re saying about him on the Bills board is “nice” compared to if he wasn’t. So then tell us what you really think because obviously you haven’t been fully honest (which some of us already knew anyway).

The Biscuit dude is like the leader of the "Allen non-believers".

Because you don't have a rebuttal. You like to question the motives of others, but don't like it when someone questions yours. Good day to you to Sir.

Let me guess? Josh won't win the Lombardi because you coached lower division football and you have the wisdom to know all things QB? Is this your motive and your illustrious coaching pedigree is your merit? What if one were to say you never made to the big leagues because you were an overrated PE Teacher, because that is how you judging Josh.

The Micah Hyde onside return was a thing of beauty