MrEpsYtown

What is journalism anymore anyways. Lazy and unprofessional. You get fired at any other job for that type of mishap. This is not serious, kind of tongue in cheek, but this is a bad look.

This is literally gold New Era. Nice work.

Ruggs still probably thinks he didn’t do anything wrong.

I wonder how much it takes for that dude to get drunk.

Yeah I’m down with Coleman. The 4.6 is a little scary, but so many guys the board clamors for the last couple of are “slow guys.” Davante Adams, Deandre Hopkins, Tyler Boyd, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp, Allen Robinson…with a guy his size I am not sure the long speed matters all the much. I still prefer Brian Thomas, and after that Mitchell is my guy, but Coleman to me is in that same tier and I’d be good with him.

For the people who want him, Tyler Boyd is just a pure slot guy. Way more than Samuel or even Shakir. He is also going to be too expensive for what he provides. I like the idea of versatile guys like Samuel. Boyd is not that. Good player, doesn’t complement the room.

He makes sense. They have been pursuing for awhile now and he provides a little stopgap, takes some pressure off the young guys and whoever we draft. Plus we have Adam Henry here. I would do it and still draft a guy round 1.

I mentioned in the other WR thread, go grab Terrance Marshall from the Panthers. He’s big, fast and still just 23 years old. He played for Brady at LSU and was drafted for Brady’s offense in Carolina. He was given permission to seek a trade in the fall and that was before the Panthers added Diontae Johnson and David Moore. He is just buried down there for whatever reason and needs a change of scenery. I get it that he isn’t the number 1 or whatever, but he knows the offense, he is big and fast and can catch the football and there is a pedigree there. He is an outside receiver. He should also be very cheap and Dan Morgan obviously is connected to the front office here. Sometimes these guys just get buried. These trades for aging veterans on huge deals just isn’t going to happen. Anyone think of any other young guys buried from regime changes or trades? The only other young guys who are buried that I could think of are Texans John Metchie and the Browns Cedric Tillman. Whatever happens and whoever we add, I am still taking a 1st round receiver and I think the mid trade up for Brian Thomas makes the most sense.

Jefferson, Lamb, Chase won’t ever make it to free agency. But I do wonder about Nico Collins…I’d take him over all those other guys.

Man Thomas is perfect for this team. Hopefully he drops since he is a quiet guy like Smith says. He’s a perfect fit.

Dawson is overpaid for sure and that is the biggest issue with his spot on the roster. But he protects Kincaid and kind of allows Kincaid to be more of the finesse slot receiver as Knox can handle some of the dirty work. They already paid him and I think he is here the next two years because of the dead cap. But I haven’t moved on yet. For so many years we have been searching for tight ends and now we have two. I’m clinging hard to those guys. I do think we are at our best in 12 personnel, so I think he still has a role.

It was tough. I had to talk to my wife about bills and plans and stuff.

What stands out to me there is Legette…doing that in the SEC, being his teams’ really only weapon and playing with Rattler. Apparently he played poorly when Tennesse played man on him and locked him up. But that stat stands out to me.

If Rex and Whaley stayed they would have drafted Deshaun Watson in the first round in 2017

I think it’s a fair question. In terms of man to man coverage stuff, I believe you beat man coverage with scheme. The players matter to some extend, they need to be fast and run good routes and understand leverage, but there are a number of ways to beat man and we just didn’t do a good enough job scheming guys open and getting into those concepts last season. Daboll was excellent at this. And I am not saying we need to throw a bunch of cones out there and expect wins, but to me it’s about quality and quantity, not just one uber guy who costs you 30 million dollars or a massive amount of draft capital. That’s why I love what the Packers did. They drafted multiple young, fast receivers and tight ends. Sorry for the length of this, but I was curious as well, so I put on my nerd hat and dove deep… So just out of curiosity I looked at the Bills top 4 WRs and two TEs and here is their production: 1,183 - Diggs 786 - Davis 611 - Shakir 150 - Harty 673 - Kincaid 186 - Knox Believe it or not, Allen and Love both had an equal number of pass attempts. The Packers top 4 WRs amassed a total yards output of 2,470 yards and the two TEs amassed 707, all together it’s 3,177 yards. This was done in 85 games total of playing time as both Watson and Musgrave missed a bunch of games. Zero first round picks. All first and second year players and a 1st year starter at QB. The Bills totals for top 4 WRs is 2,630 and the two TEs amassed 859, so it totals up to 3,519. This was done in 96 games of playing time as Knox missed some games. 1st round picks spent on Diggs and Kincaid. Kincaid and Shakir are first/second year players, the other Bills guys are vets. (Diggs, Harty, Davis, Knox). Plus an all world veteran QB. The Bills’ group, in 2023, cost about 32 million in cap with Shakir being the cheapest player. The Packers’ group cost about 7.5 million dollars. I guess my point is, is the extra 342 yards in 11 more games worth 24.5 million dollars in cap? I don’t think so. In analytics, a yard is a yard. It’s moneyball, this number one receiver stuff, to me, is old school thinking. A catch is a catch. You just need good players with speed and some ability to run routes and get open against leverage. In both cases, it wasn’t enough as both teams lost in the divisional round. The Packers just did it in a much cheaper way. Let’s look at the team who did actually win it all, KC: Top 4 WR: Rice - 938 Watson - 460 MVS - 315 Moore - 244 TEs: 984 - Kelce 305 - Gray The Chiefs WRs totaled 1957, and the TEs totaled 1289 for a total of 3246. This less than the Bills totals in more attempts by Mahomes. This was done in 94 total games. The Chiefs receiver and TE groups cost about 29 million, 26 of which is just Kelce and Valdes-Scantling. Zero first round picks. To me the idea of a number 1 must have receiver is an antiquated concept. You can get the same amount of production much cheaper. The problem with the Bills model is they were paying guys who weren’t good enough. Diggs did not really produce enough to get this team to a championship and Knox is overpaid as well. Harty was a waste. The Packers went to this model because they carried 57 million in dead cap this past year, and I believe that is where the Bills are headed. It’s not about massive amounts of trade up capital to get into the top 5. They can get a really good player in the 20s who improves the receiver room and helps make up for the catches that left with Diggs, Davis, and Harty. And they have the opportunity to complete this mission in a much more cost friendly way.

Walker seems like a kid this braintrust has been following awhile. Being from the Charlotte area, Beane probably watched him play in middle school. I would not hate doubling down with him in the second.

I have two memories of Claypool that stick in my head…signaling a first down and wasting time when his team was trying ti spike the thing…-100 awareness and selfishness. The other memory is running a slow, lazy, terrible route getting undercut by Taylor Rapp and costing his team a chance at victory.

There are no “number 1s” in that group. I keep spamming the board that this idea of a #1 is overdone. You just need good players who catch the football and are trustworthy to go with your awesome QB. It’s even better if they are dirt cheap, which is what the Packers have done here.

Watson needs a running mate

He’s way more of a diva than Diggs ever was and he isn’t as good. He’s a zero effort player who can’t catch.

Makes a ton of sense. I think they are actually in good shape there where they maybe don’t have to force it. IMO there is something about Trice, I just think he makes it and I think he would be fine at a base end. Fiske and Jenkins both 3 techs? I feel like they would opt for the bloodlines and the 34 inch arms if it came down to it.

Trice is a great fit for the Bills defense. He is similar to AJ Epenesa. Very productive, big and long, and had a terrible combine. He’s a disruptive pass rusher with a big motor. Braswell is the much more explosive athlete, but he’s smaller. Issac is a meh for me. If i’m picking I take Trice. I feel like he plays way faster than he tested. Jenkins makes a ton of sense with them knowing him all the way back to when dad was playing for the Panthers. And Jenkins is a great fit. I also like Fiske as you mentioned. Where do you have Marshawn Kneeland?

That’s true. Having Moss took things to an overload level for the Pats! It’s when they were at their best, freak catch or not, they still did not win! But crazy things happen in these championship games like the refs deciding that the Chiefs were allowed to hold on offense!

What annoys me is the this notion of a #1 receiver. The Chiefs won the last two championships without much at receiver but a TE who was a threat. The Niners have a #1 receiver who is a slot guy and is hurt a-lot. The Patriots won all those years without a real #1 and the time that they had one in Randy Moss they lost to the Giants. The Eagles won one with a backup QB and Zach Ertz. I think it is just an overrated notion that we need a big X or whatever. Erhardt-perkins doesn’t even really have these traditional receiver positions built in. It’s about concepts and you have an outside guy and an inside guy. In trips you have an outside guy, and inside guy and a middle guy and they run different routes depending on the concept called and the coverage. We just need good players who can run routes and be where they are supposed to be. If you can get a game breaker who the defense has to double, thats amazing. How many true #1s are there in the league anyway? Justin Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, Ja’Marr Chase…CeeDee Lamb and Amon Ra St. Brown probably but they are really slot players. Davante Adams probably, but he is slowing down as is Cooper Kupp and I need to see Nacua repeat this year before I annoint him. Deebo, but he is a slot/gadget guy. This notion that you need a true number 1 is a myth. There are like 5-6 teams in the league with true #1 receivers imo. Just give your all world QB weapons that are reliable, catch the football, and play within the system.

Just watching the combine on the ole DVR. Leggette is just built different from everyone else. His physique is impressive, but looks a little stiff in drills. Coleman probably next most impressive pysique. Franklin looks anorexic. Mitchell looks the part. Jacob Cowing is impressive as well. McKonkey is silky smooth. And our WR coach is running drills down there getting a first hand look.