twoandfourteen

Unfortunately, I agree with you.

AMEN.

I agree -- pretty solid performance for a #2 guy who has only played 11 games with a pretty bad team. The problem is that his career is just a shade longer than Allen's and his numbers are far superior. What does that say about our guy? Do you see my point now?

This is utterly and completely false. I encourage all of you to take a good long look at CJ Beathard's career log -- especially his production as a rookie last year. In fact, last year I was using CJ Beathard as an example of how limited Tyrod was and how far behind the Bills were as an offense. Here was a 3rd round rookie who was able to produce respectable passing yardage, and yet our 7th year vet couldn't crack 200 half the time. I didn't think it could get any worse. But, leave it to the Bills to consistently redefine "rock bottom".

Then you would obviously view Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler as titans at the position because they have winning records. I'm looking to gauge basic competence at the position and skill development. Yards & TDs are the basic measures of skill at the QB position. For example, if I were looking to figure out how tall a guy was, I'd look at how many feet & inches he stands.

He didn't say it, he declared it.

You mean Passing yards, TDs, & games started? I'm judging QB production, not launching a rocket.

My fault, I'll go take a lap. W-L is too subjective a stat. The Bills' QB recently lost a game that the defense should have won. Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler have winning records at QB. I'm simply looking at production only.

CJB didn't really "ride the pine" & learn. He played a bunch last year, 6 games with 5 starts on a really, really bad 49ers team. 9 games (8 starts) -- 196/338 57.4% 2322 yds 10TD 11INT 75.3RTG He's averaging 258 yds/gm. Not too bad for a rookie QB taken in the 3rd round.

I've already explained why this point should make Bills fans even more concerned about the current state of the position. CJB is clearly an upgrade over Josh Allen right now. It's so glaring that they appear to be playing two different sports at times. Bills fans would throw a parade at this point for 235 and a couple of TDs and an offense that scores 30 points in a game. However, the 49ers didn't believe CJB was good enough and made a huge move in an attempt to upgrade even more. That should tell you something -- we'd be thrilled with CJB, but he's not even good enough for his current team. That's how far behind the rest of the league this Bills team is.

This is something that I definitely can't argue, especially given the current state of the position on this team. To this point, they have shown that they have absolutely zero clue how to manage the most important position in professional sports. It's not trending in a good direction at this point in time and he appears to be miles and miles and miles behind other comparable, young QBs. That's all I'm saying.

For a kid in his 8th career start, he sure looked like one in the making last night. Better than anything the Bills have currently or have had since Orton.

It is -- but also within the context of Josh Allen's lack of performance and the mismanagement of the position. I would deserve to be called an idiot if I created this post and Josh Allen had two or three games here where he was in command of the offense -- making a couple of big throws, maybe even producing 200 passing yards in a single game. People are relying on the "it takes time" excuse for Allen. I agree -- but I also think that it's important to track where he is in relation to other young QBs. A 7th overall pick shouldn't be this far behind a 3rd round backup. The Bills have a historically bad passing offense in a league where 200 yards is practically given to you due to the new rules favoring offense.

Nope. I wouldn't. I would expect a rookie in his 8th start to make a rookie mistake late. It would suck, but there were plenty of other great plays that he did make to walk away with optimism for the future. With the Bills, there are very, very few plays which give me a sense of optimism -- and far, far more plays which are evidence that this project is trending towards failure.

Which should show you just how far behind the Bills actually are. The 49ers have a young QB they drafted in the 3rd round that is currently miles ahead of where the Bills 7th overall pick is -- and the 49ers still made a move to get even better at the position. For Allen, it's 4 games of 513 total yards passing and 1 TD. For the GM & coach, it's their abject mismanagement of the most important position in professional sports. You're a fool if you think this reaction is based solely on CJ Beathard's performance. 3 of his 6 appearances have been under 100 yards passing. I would say that qualifies as "regularly". You are arguing semantics. You obviously don't have a legitimate point.

Nope. Not at all. I'd be fine with a rookie/2nd year QB who puts up 250 & 2 TDs in a shootout with an all-time great QB and throws a late INT.

Mahomes might not be throwing at a historical pace here in Buffalo. But instead of 350 & 4 TDs every game, is it a stretch to think that he'd be good enough to get 235 & 2 every game -- just on talent alone? 235 & 2 would have easily gotten you a win last Sunday. I know I'd be ok with 235 yds & 2 TDs in a game from a Bills QB at this point. The gap between Allen & other young QBs like Mahomes & Beathard last night is basically a canyon.

Very well put. You explained it better than I did.

I admit, it was a bit of hyperbole meant to illustrate my point. However, after two straight weeks of 80 yard passing days -- I'm confident that 200 yards seems impossible at this point, yes.

I would. Hope I have to eat this post someday, but I highly doubt it.

Look at his stats from his rookie year. That is what really is troubling. CJB was competent out of the box. Meanwhile, JA has a lot of trouble executing a basic NFL passing play. Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen -- all of them have at least exhibited the ability to produce respectable passing production at this early stage in their careers. 200 yards seems impossible right now for Josh Allen.

Check his career game log: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/ Only one time has this kid been under 200 yards passing in a game. Looks like a star in the making tonight on MNF. Meanwhile, Josh Allen is regularly failing to break 100 yards in a game. Beathard looked competent as a rookie last season with a group of no-name receivers, too. Only 3 more career starts. Allen needs to get really good, really quickly.

YES YES YES The Bills absolutely have a playoff-caliber, if not championship-caliber defense & kicker. Unfortunately, they have a Section VI JV offense. Bring Fitzy home.

No. He's a second-year pro making his 8th career start. His career game log should really make people concerned about Josh Allen. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeatC.00/gamelog/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2018/ufa/wide-receiver/available/ After sitting through the past 5 games, I've come to the conclusion that you could grab any four guys off this list and immediately have a better (or at least comparable) group of WRs than what the Bills currently have on the field. Dez Bryant Dontrell Inman Jeremy Maclin Rishard Matthews Not that it really matters anyway. Our QBs can't execute basic NFL passing plays. The UFA QB list is even more depressing. However, I'm sure you could grab any idiot off that list and get better production than what you are currently getting. No matter what, Peterman & Benjamin need to be cleaning out their lockers tomorrow.