twoandfourteen

I think people are misconstruing my original post to mean that I was expressing regret that they let TT go. That's not the case at all -- Tyrod definitely sucks and is not a starting QB in the NFL. He is a very capable & competent backup and very much has a place in the NFL. You can't say the same about any active player in the current Bills QB room. However, I was very wrong in thinking that it couldn't get any worse than what he did last year. Clearly, it's possible for it to be much, much worse.

Right -- which is why Beane & McD should probably have one foot out the door right now. You can't mangle the QB position as badly as these two have & stay employed as a head coach & GM. Nothing else matters until you get that position stabilized. Let them go and try again until someone figures out how to get a productive starter under center.

Oh -- I don't want him back either. No thank you. I couldn't stand the thought of watching him take another snap for the Bills. I'm just saying I was wrong about saying it was impossible for them to be any worse than they were last year. The two active QBs that dressed today don't belong on an NFL roster.

Listen, the Ty-Gun Offense was BAD. It was non-existent at times and definitely lost the Bills games. Amazingly, they have done what I thought was impossible: The 2018 Offense is even worse. McD & B found a whole new level of inept performance that is so terrible that I am at a total loss for a word that adequately conveys just how bad it really is. They have a roster spot filled by a player who is so detrimental to the team that he can't be put on the field. This is at the most important position in pro sports, by the way. As for TT -- his stats would probably be exactly what they've always been. Most days under 200 yards and maybe a TD. But at least he's a professional-caliber QB that belongs on an NFL roster. The Bills do not have a player at the QB position right now that fully fits that description.

No. Their abject mismanagement of the offense and specifically the QB position is borderline negligence (hyperbole on my part) & warrants dismissal (not hyperbole). The fact that they have an unplayable option as the #2 QB still on the roster warrants dismissal. This is all about trends -- and nothing on this team's offense is trending in the right direction. These guys haven't done one thing in the last year & a half to demonstrate that they have any grasp whatsoever about how to build/develop an offense in the modern NFL. When it comes time to interview candidates, any coach or GM who comes in and mentions "ball control" or "field position" should be immediately escorted from the premises by security.

Last year, I said that the passing offense couldn't get worse than it was under Tyrod. Boy was I wrong. I honestly didn't think it was really possible for a collection of professional coaches & players to perform as poorly on offense as they have this season. Beane & McDermott deserve to be fired at the end of this season.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. It's the only explanation I can come up with at this point. I couldn't care less about the religious beliefs of players or coaches, but I do think it's a factor in this situation.

Ok, then explain why CJB's production was worlds better than Allen's last year when he was at the exact same point in his career that Allen is right now. You really are missing my point. CJB just happens to be a good current example to use as a comparable. My point is that Allen isn't even close to performing up to the standard of a probable career backup. That is what should really concern Bills fans. Allen hasn't been "franchise" good at any level of football yet.

"A lot more?" He was drafted last year and has played in 3 more NFL games than Allen. Last year, he put up decent rookie numbers throwing to Marquis Goodwin, George Kittle, Aldrick Robinson, and Louis Murphy -- Not exactly Rice, Moss, Gonzalez, and Owens. You have to be trying to troll at this point, because there is no possible way you really mean what you are arguing.

Unfortunately, I agree with you.

AMEN.

I agree -- pretty solid performance for a #2 guy who has only played 11 games with a pretty bad team. The problem is that his career is just a shade longer than Allen's and his numbers are far superior. What does that say about our guy? Do you see my point now?

This is utterly and completely false. I encourage all of you to take a good long look at CJ Beathard's career log -- especially his production as a rookie last year. In fact, last year I was using CJ Beathard as an example of how limited Tyrod was and how far behind the Bills were as an offense. Here was a 3rd round rookie who was able to produce respectable passing yardage, and yet our 7th year vet couldn't crack 200 half the time. I didn't think it could get any worse. But, leave it to the Bills to consistently redefine "rock bottom".

Then you would obviously view Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler as titans at the position because they have winning records. I'm looking to gauge basic competence at the position and skill development. Yards & TDs are the basic measures of skill at the QB position. For example, if I were looking to figure out how tall a guy was, I'd look at how many feet & inches he stands.

He didn't say it, he declared it.

You mean Passing yards, TDs, & games started? I'm judging QB production, not launching a rocket.

My fault, I'll go take a lap. W-L is too subjective a stat. The Bills' QB recently lost a game that the defense should have won. Mark Sanchez & Brock Osweiler have winning records at QB. I'm simply looking at production only.

CJB didn't really "ride the pine" & learn. He played a bunch last year, 6 games with 5 starts on a really, really bad 49ers team. 9 games (8 starts) -- 196/338 57.4% 2322 yds 10TD 11INT 75.3RTG He's averaging 258 yds/gm. Not too bad for a rookie QB taken in the 3rd round.

I've already explained why this point should make Bills fans even more concerned about the current state of the position. CJB is clearly an upgrade over Josh Allen right now. It's so glaring that they appear to be playing two different sports at times. Bills fans would throw a parade at this point for 235 and a couple of TDs and an offense that scores 30 points in a game. However, the 49ers didn't believe CJB was good enough and made a huge move in an attempt to upgrade even more. That should tell you something -- we'd be thrilled with CJB, but he's not even good enough for his current team. That's how far behind the rest of the league this Bills team is.

This is something that I definitely can't argue, especially given the current state of the position on this team. To this point, they have shown that they have absolutely zero clue how to manage the most important position in professional sports. It's not trending in a good direction at this point in time and he appears to be miles and miles and miles behind other comparable, young QBs. That's all I'm saying.

For a kid in his 8th career start, he sure looked like one in the making last night. Better than anything the Bills have currently or have had since Orton.

It is -- but also within the context of Josh Allen's lack of performance and the mismanagement of the position. I would deserve to be called an idiot if I created this post and Josh Allen had two or three games here where he was in command of the offense -- making a couple of big throws, maybe even producing 200 passing yards in a single game. People are relying on the "it takes time" excuse for Allen. I agree -- but I also think that it's important to track where he is in relation to other young QBs. A 7th overall pick shouldn't be this far behind a 3rd round backup. The Bills have a historically bad passing offense in a league where 200 yards is practically given to you due to the new rules favoring offense.

Nope. I wouldn't. I would expect a rookie in his 8th start to make a rookie mistake late. It would suck, but there were plenty of other great plays that he did make to walk away with optimism for the future. With the Bills, there are very, very few plays which give me a sense of optimism -- and far, far more plays which are evidence that this project is trending towards failure.

Which should show you just how far behind the Bills actually are. The 49ers have a young QB they drafted in the 3rd round that is currently miles ahead of where the Bills 7th overall pick is -- and the 49ers still made a move to get even better at the position. For Allen, it's 4 games of 513 total yards passing and 1 TD. For the GM & coach, it's their abject mismanagement of the most important position in professional sports. You're a fool if you think this reaction is based solely on CJ Beathard's performance. 3 of his 6 appearances have been under 100 yards passing. I would say that qualifies as "regularly". You are arguing semantics. You obviously don't have a legitimate point.

Nope. Not at all. I'd be fine with a rookie/2nd year QB who puts up 250 & 2 TDs in a shootout with an all-time great QB and throws a late INT.