Motorin'

From another lifelong Bills fan, we can play "who we should have drafted" until we shrivel up and die of resentment and self-hatred... Why does the "Is Josh Allen good enough" debate have to happen every gd week? Ah, yes, it's because of "what could have been." Daryle Lamonica... Maybe there can be one thread for "Post your Josh Allen criticisms / comparisons here."

So basically you're not comfortable with uncertainty and aren't willing to accept that growth and development are part of the process of developing as a QB? But why take it out on everyone else? We fight to prove that Josh Allen isn't an all pro franchise QB? Like, we know that. He's not there, yet. He may become one. He may not. But I think he can become as good as a Jeff Hostelter, Tent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco or Nick Foles. Maybe we want different things. I want the Buffalo Bills to win the Super Bowl once before I die. That's it. Would it be nice to have the next Tom Brady who smashes all the records and brings home 8 Super Bowls in his career. Sure. But I'd rather have a competent QB who learns to play the game good enough to win one championship (at least, two would be gravy) than a guy with big stats every year who never gets it done.

I really wanted the Bills to draft Watson. They didn't. But if we're going to play fantasy, I'd rather have 1994 Steve Young for the next 50 years.

at this point, it's clear the Bills management holds this view too. And short of significant regression, Josh is going to be the starting qb for many years. This every day debate about whether Josh is an NFL quality qb is exhausting.

Define better. They both threw more INT's than Josh. 7 of Murray's picks came in his last 5 games. Josh threw 3 INT's in his last 11 games. And is Daniel Jones really having a better year than Josh Allen? His 3,000 passing yards and 26 TD's are better than Josh Allen's 3,000 passing yards and 30 TD's? These are really the margins that you're staking your "Josh Allen isn't good enough" claims on to prove that young qb's are way out performing him all over the league? I think a lot of fans negativity towards Josh is fueled by resentment and it's clouding their ability to accept where he's at as well as his ability to continue to get better. EDIT - envy is another deadly sin my brethren Bills fan!

Like winning 10 games and taking his team to the playoffs? How many QBs did that in their second year? I get it, in retrospect you wish the Bills had selected Mahomes. At the time I wanted Bills to take Watson. Resentment is a subtle poison. Unless you can build a time machine and change the course of history, why don't you accept there's only a few championship caliber qb's right out of college. The rest have to develop. Or are you one of the guys pining over Gardner Minshew, Kyle Allen, what Duck Hodges? Aside from Watson and Mahomes, now in their 3rd season, what young QB all over the league do you think is way out performing Josh Allen?

What excuses? The guy's progressing as well as you'd hope a 2 year QB will. I'm sick of the unrealistic demands and expectations.

Hey, if you don't win 6 Super Bowls in your first 2 years as a head coach there's no chance you'll ever develop a championship caliber team.

The idea that this regular season proves the Bills can't or won't become championship caliber in future seasons, and that they need to fire McDermott, is ludicrous. We don't know what the future will bring. I'm expecting significant progress across multiple domains over the next few years. Progress on the overall roster via FA and draft. Progress on the field as young players develop. And progress from coaching staff as far as in game strategy goes. I also expect set backs and bumps on the road. But I'd rather give this group, Bean, McD ect. the reigns for better or worse for as long as possible. We might get 1 championship in the next 10 years. But continuing the last 20 years of firing, hiring, firing, hiring, to satsify fans like the OP will be lucky to bring 1 playoff appearance in the next 10 years.

Let's rip everything down and rebuild, every 3 years, for the next 20 years! Fire every one! Bring in a new GM, make the switch to a 3-4. Let's have a QB controversy, maybe Jason Garrett's available? He has playoff experience. Maybe Tony Romo will come out of retirement and bring the band back together? The Bills ARE going move to Toronto............... So tired of amateur Steven A. Smith / Max Kellermen hot takes. The real ones are bad enough.

Only caught the last 5 mins. How about Najee Harris as that thumper power back? Watching him drag the entire Michigan front 7 down the length of the field was impressive!

Barkley was deadly accurate on that throw to James Burgess. Hit him right in the #'s... Barkley had as many picks this game as Allen had in his last 11 games. Also, where do you get that Allen throws for 130-150 yards per game? Why do you think you get to just make up stats?

I hope Christian Wade practices catching kick offs and punts, like 1000 per day for the next 6 months.

I think Perriman is the exact type of wr we should go after. He's bigger bodied, but still has speed. He'd be a solid #2 wr on the outside. Still want the Bills to draft a potential #1 in the 1st or 2nd round.

It's funnier if you know the Goodfellas scene it was spoofing. Could have had tighter writing though.

Since Riv is out in Carolina, will Norv Turner be available if Daboll bolts?

The Bills have 10 Defensive backs on the 53 man roster. They play a lot of zone, and the safeties have cb responsibilities. I think you're overstating your case.

that was Coleman

Yeah, the Bills would play the Ravens in the second round. The only way to play NE again is in the ACF championship game.

But how is his forward progress not stopped? He's being run backwards by the cb.

If it was a catch, how is his forward progress not stopped? Okudah can just run him backwards and strip the ball? That's why the forward progress rule was out in place to begin with. Also on the targeting play, I thought the Chase Young punch to the throat was far more vicious and the thing that injured Lawrence. Should have been two flags on the play.

Then I hope McD is specifically calling on Allen to improve on opening drives. One of the things I like about Allen, he seems to have the ability to fix specific areas of his game when he puts his mind to it.

I agree, but how was that not a personal foul on Chase Young for clothes lining Lawrence as he's going down? That was more ejectable imo. He punched him in the throat.

Me too, first game was against the Fins at home in 81. I remember Jerry Butler catching a TD and toilet paper streaming onto the field. It was awesome!

The laws very greatly by state, and by usage. Some states have extremely restrictive privacy laws, where it can be an actual prosecutable crime to use images of recognizable people in advertising without their consent. The way the Bills used the clip was in a commercial, which is the definition of commercial usage. What's at question is whether Marc signed away his rights to NBC when they filmed it. That's the only way that NBC could license the clip for commerical purposes without Marc having a claim. But they license news clips under "fair use" all the time. So it's very possible that the Bills owe Marc a usage fee.