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I think part of the reason I made this poll is because I don’t know my own answer as of right now. When I go to answer without putting much thought into it, I immediately say TJ Hockenson because of the complete all-around game he offers the offense. An every down tight end that could serve as both a receiving threat and a sixth offensive lineman. But then you think about Ed Oliver, who, if he actually falls to us is a complete steal. While he’s not Aaron Donald, he’s atleast comparable. Such an athletic and explosive get off, potential to be a dominant game changer and truly cement our defense as elite. And even with those two options you could still go offensive line and have atleast.a core of Dawkins, Morse and rookie for the foreseeable future. It could truly protect Josh and maybe give us a top 8ish O-Line in the league. And thats not even even considering moving up with our load of picks to get a truly elite talent, or moving down to pick up a WR, TE, DL and OL all in the first three rounds. The only thing thats for sure is that Beane really gave himself some flexibility and it’s going to be hard to go wrong in this draft. Ultimately I’m going with Oliver at 9, hoping we can trade back into the 1st/early 2nd and add a TE/WR as well as an OL before the 2nd is over. That’s a bit optimistic, but we’ve seen Beane move around a lot before.

With the chase of Quinton Spain complete, it looks like the Bills are set until draft time — assuming Beane doesn’t make a random trade for an edge rusher as there’s been quiet rumblings of all off-season. With their current roster, what do you want the Bills to do in the first round? I’m curious to see where the board as a whole stands on this because it’s seemingly harder and harder to gather the favorable option as we get closer to draft time. Sorry for the numerous options, but I think it’ll give a better and more accurate feel and suspect that each option will atleast get a couple votes. Also was considering making an option trade up for Nick Bosa as his draft stock seems to be slowly dropping a spot or two, but I haven’t seen this discussed anywhere, on the board or by analysts, and don’t know how truly plausible it is.

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While I do disagree and don’t think the Bills should do this, I don’t understand the absolute bashing of the OP. The Redskins drafted a QB in the 1st and the 4th round in the same draft, and it was the 4th rounder that would start longer for them. Everyone has a right to disagree with the idea, but too just bash it is ignorant. I believe that Josh Allen will workout, but if he doesn’t, why.not have a security blanket? I wouldn’t offer up a 2nd for Rosen, I think we still have too many holes to fill (DL, TE, OL), but if you can get a top 10 pick just one year out for a third, what’s the risk? Rosen would come in and sit on the bench and if Allen works out, he doesn’t lose value because he hasn’t seen game time, and you flip him for a 2nd or 3rd right back (i.e. Jimmy G). If Allen doesn’t work out, you spent a 3rd round pick on a 1st round prospect and he gets a shot. Again, I disagree. But come on, you can’t be so set on Allen and having the right josh and whatever other cliches and thoughts have developed and been regurgitated since the draft that you just blatantly abuse the OP for this idea.

To shoot down talk of someone at 9 and then offer Metcalf as a possibility discredits any of your sentiment. We won’t draft the physically dominant running back with terrific game speed that just happened to have a below average 40 time, but we’ll select the injury ridden receiver who can’t cut and has inconsistent hands at 9? Personally I don’t think we would select either of them at 9, but to ridicule Jacobs and list Metcalf as a possibility is just a silly notion. I’m not saying he’s worthy of the 9th overall pick but Jacobs would be the much safer option, Metcalf in the top 10 has potential to be a bust big enough to kill this regime. He’s had prior foot injuries and neck injuries, these aren’t the injuries that just disappear like broken bones. These are reoccurring and lingering injuries that don’t really go away, you don’t spend a top 10 pick on that. Not too mention selecting a receiver who’s known to have inconsistent hands and troubles with cutting in the top 10.

Two linebacker sets are becoming the norm in the NFL and we’ve found our two in Matt Milano and Tremaine Edmunds. Rarely will there be 3 or more linebackers on the field and I doubt this McDermott wants to relegate Milano to a sub 40 play guy. The concept of White, Milano and Edmunds at linebacker is fascinating and we would certainly have one of the best and most athletic trios in the league, but I simply don’t see it happening when it’s more about the duo.

I don’t think Kroft is a starter and will be more of a utility tight end in 3rd & short and red zone situations, where he’s a sixth offensive lineman but low key another receiving threat. I’d like a qualified starting tight end along with one more proven, or atleast semi-highly touted, offensive lineman and then I’d call it a fully rebuilt offense. I think TE will be addressed via draft, hopefully in the form of TJ Hockenson or Noah Fant (keep Kaden Smith in mind as a later round pick). Offensive line, I’m not sure where it’ll be addressed but I believe, or want too believe, that we’ll add one more guy that’s expected to be starting caliber.

I don’t like Allbright’s attitude and they way he carries himself, he can seem to be very condescending and a bit troll-ish at times while trying to make it out to be his followers that are. However, that being said, he tends to be pretty credible and is often times right.

Brown, Morse and Williams may be the three best offensive lineman on the market. I like the optimism but too expect the Bills to sign all three of them is a bit absurd and unrealistic, especially considering the money it would take and the other needs on the team. It’s much more likely to land one of Morse, Paradis, Williams and Brown, and then draft another lineman, and sign one more lower tier offensive lineman.

^^ I don’t understand the reasoning for the merging of those threads. Trading down in itself is something to discuss outside of just trades in general, it’s a concept of trading down v trading up v staying put and draft day trades in general. The pro’s, the con’s, the teams who do and the teams who don’t. This thread is about trades, mostly for players, more than anything else. Two very different topics and could’ve been a good discussion considering the immense amount of people on the board that support the Bills trading down in this draft.

I understand the logic in trading down and the desire too. You get to trade down and pick a prospect that you liked all along or a prospect of similar quality, while also picking up an extra few picks. I also understand why people would believe that trading down is an opportunity. In McDermott's first draft we traded down to get Tre White in the 1st, in Beane's first draft we traded up to get both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. The front office here is one of the much more progressive regimes in the NFL, if not the most progressive when it comes to trading. I would love to trade down and I also believe that it's a viable option that could come with many beneficial outcomes. However, when did it become a foregone conclusion that the Bills will trade down in this draft and there's no question too it? The amount of posts regarding the draft, or personal mock drafts and what not suggesting that the Bills will trade down is absolutely ridiculous. It has to be upwards of 50% of the posts. When you're talking about trading down, another team has to be looking to trade up. What are they looking to trade up for at the 9th overall pick? A quarterback? It's widely sensed that there's only one QB in this draft worth a top ten pick, and with the Giants and the Jaguars (and even the Bucs) selecting ahead of us, it's likely that Haskins will be gone. An elite offensive lineman? Isn't that one of the most pressing needs for the Bills to begin with? Why would we trade out of a position to select an offensive lineman with a team that intends on selecting that offensive lineman? A #1 WR? Again, isn't this one of the most pressing needs for the Bills right now? Even so, this draft lacks a true #1 receiver. Some may point towards DK Metcalf, but you can't convince me that a team is going to trade into the top ten to select a receiver that's had both season ending foot and neck injuries. Especially after you consider just how deep this receiving class is, you're talking about maybe 15+ receivers capable of being a starter one day. A shutdown CB? While I personally think that DeAndre Baker is going to be a lockdown corner, the consensus around the league is that their isn't necessarily one in this draft. Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy and Baker have all sort of been grouped into the same tier of talent, making it not worth it too trade up for one of the three. A premier defensive lineman? This is the deepest spot in the draft, and by pick 9 you're still looking at a couple of defensive lineman that could be elite on the board after the 9th pick. The best scenario for the Bills to trade down would be if Ed Oliver slipped to #9 and the Bills wanted to forego the possible "headache," trading down with a team that let the talent outweigh it. And even that has to go with the assumption that a.) Ed Oliver slips, and b.) after Oliver slipping, a team decides he's still worth the top ten pick despite 8 other teams already passing on him. Maybe I'm too sensitive to a minor topic after what's already been a long off-season just a few weeks in, but I think it's time for a lot more discussion on what player the Bills are looking at with the 9th overall pick rather than who they may be looking at in the middle of the round after they've definitely, undoubtedly traded down already.

Sounds great in theory, but you’ve got to know by now that McDermott rotates his defensive linemen. We don’t like that Star is getting paid ~$10M a year to play about 50% of the snaps, but we want to bring in McCoy for the same price to play roughly the same amount of snaps? I don’t see McBeane putting $20M+ a year into two players at a position that we rotate about 4 players through. That’s bad cap management and if Beane has shown anything, I think he’s shown his ability to manage cap.

Multiple people do it here and I don’t really see or understand why, Why the * before/after NE/Patriots?

Someone might, but it’s not going to be expected if they do and it’ll be a total surprise to even the general manager that selects them. Even the best receivers in this class only look to be low level number one at their highest potential. Someone might, but it’s not going to be expected if they do and it’ll be a total surprise to even the general manager that selects them. Even the best receivers in this class only look to be low level number one at their highest potential.

No receiver in the first three rounds is a boiling hot take

If we’re going receiver first round the most value would be to trade down to the mid 20’s and take the front offices preference of the remaining of Deebo, Harry and Harmon Other than that scenario, we should stay put and take a couple of these guys on day two and day three. Lots of depth in this class but no stars.

From the tape I watched, I saw a lot of concentration drops from him. He looks down field before he has the ball often and it leads to drops. His hands are pretty subpar, nothing more than average at best. Also, the people noticing the work and saying thanks for it, I’ve been trying to give you ‘cheers’ or ‘thanks’ on your posts but I don’t think I’m able too with the new member groups, thank you anyways though!

I think this is the next position I’m going to get into

Also lastly I don’t know if maybe you could advance out of the prospects group despite not having the content count required. If you look at my activity, the majority of my content comes in threads that I’ve created, and I think I could humbly say they’ve been useful threads to start for the most part, with the majority of them getting 10+ thumbs up and thanks and things of that sort. It would really hurt my interest in the forum if i can’t start these types of threads anymore.

@SDS sorry for posting this here, when you guys implemented the new member grouping system, I think you may have accidentally taken away the ‘prospects’ ability to view The Stadium, College Football and the forums of their liking entirely. I’m only allowed to view the ‘club’ forums. ^^ Apparently I’m also not allowed to edit my posts.

I’ll be sure to check him out, i’ll add scouting reports here as the offseason goes

Not that he couldn’t get mentioned in the top 15, I just haven’t seen his tape yet so I wasn’t going to make an uneducated report on him. We’ll revisit this in late April. Metcalf won’t hold up at the top through the whole process, he may not be as low as 12, but he won’t be a first rounder. He’s had serious injury issues along with poor hands and an extremely limited route tree.

Hollywood Brown even looks small though, when he carries the ball it looks like an infant in his arms

More than anything I think it’ll be stature and power, you’re looking for someone along the lines of 6’1 and 210 or bigger. They lack the dominant, go-get-it aggression in their receiving core.

This is huge. This draft is loaded with quality number two and slot receivers, but there’s really no elite talent. I like three guys to potentially be a number one receiver, but all three of them have serious concerns holding them back. Kelvin Harmon has a terrific well-rounded game, but he lacks the athleticism necessary to be a number one. Deebo Samuel is far and away the most talented receiver in this draft, maybe the most talented in a long time, but he has way too long of an injury history to be trusted. Then lastly there’s N’Keal Harry, who has a very strong game overall, but he has no elite talent to put him above and beyond. There’s many many quality number two and slot receivers in this class, and we’re much better off trying to get a few in the middle rounds than a top receiver in the first.