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No doubt they are paying a lot more for the rights. Fans talking about the cap going way up............that wasn't coming at a viewer discount.

So, it's $21 per week if you are not a YouTube subscriber and you do the early bird special Of course, not counting National games. I can live with that. I just have to decide if I want to capture the savings going to YouTube TV and ditching Sling. I got a month or so to make up my mind. Does anyone know if you get a discount if you sign up for (YouTube TV and the NFL package) on YouTube Premium add free service?

I really don't mind if you sit this one out.

I was ready to be pissed until I saw it's just another "Git-er-Dun" thread.

$2.79M in Spotrac. $200K-3 sacks, $600k-5sacks, $850k-8 sacks incentives. Looks OK to me. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/jordan-phillips-16776/

I like the signing for 2 reasons. 1. Shaq performed well last year at depth rotation. 2. I do think now that no top picks go to the DL THIS year.

Yes. 1 year reported at $3M with some incentives. Still waiting on the details.

Like I'm saying, if Bates is penciled in as future C, then I would like to see him get a lot more work this summer at the position. Maybe Edwards spells him a lot as 1st team RG (I'm assuming Bates is still at RG). That would make me happy.

A good draft is definitely needed. I know a lot of fans want that big signing to put them over the top. It most likely is not happening. That being said, I don't see how that necessarily has to be true. Last season was a bit crazy and like Jordan Poyer said in his welcome back presser when asked the question, "What pieces do the Bills need to get it done", his reply was "finish". A whole lot of little things done better this year compared to last could do it in my opinion. I'm holding on to that hope.

Bates has filled in about a half dozen times for Morse in his career. He's done pretty good as a backup. He is trained to be an OG during his NFL time not a C. I personally don't see how anyone can assume he is as good or better than Morse if he is assigned the spot permanently. It seems to me that keeping him as an OG and a backup C is wise. I'd rather see a C drafted that has spent his college career doing the job. If he is the heir apparent, then I would like to see him get a lot more snaps at the position this training camp. I would like to know what Beane thinks about the future of the position.

Fair enough on your e v a l of Morse. Then my point holds even more water. Beane needs to get a good replacement for him when he is done. The thing is, none of us know when that need will be. With his history it could be at any time.

It could reach 200 pages if the subject of the "pros and cons" of QBs running too much is breached.

Wow Alpha, you're a very good poster with a lot of good insight but I invite you to re-read your post. It is completely backwards to what a team wants from a backup QB. You end your Cam post with, "but the real question is whether or not his arm is dead". Let me ask you this. Let's say for the sake of argument, that Cam can still run the way he did in 2016. I say he can't, but let's say some fans say he can. Is this the QB you want to bring to camp for the 2nd team? I can't think of a QB less qualified to help the Bills 2nd team offense during camp than Cam. I say this because his arm IS DEAD. Don't waste time with an old washed-up former MVP QB.

I don't know many Bills fans portraying Mitch Morse as anything more than a tick above a good NFL Center. His replacement IMO is NOT a backup like Bates. Next season a top Center is needed to be drafted. I don't know what you're trying to get at other than that OBD is lacking in judgement. I may be wrong in that, but that's how your post reads to me. The 2023 overall draft is not going to be determined as to what the 1st round pick is going to be by position. It will be, IMO, what the overall picks are chosen. It's a weak draft and the 1st round pick is a risk at best.

Couldn't agree more with you. The only thing I'll add is they need to do it now as next year a Center will be needed to be drafted most likely. Josh deserves a solid center. I have no problem with Bates as backup, but I'd much rather see a full-time college center taking over from Morse. There's a lot that goes on between the ears at that position and I don't want any hopeful quick fixes.

His last 3 seasons have been bad, real bad. Add to it, he didn't even play last year. His record during his "swan song years" is 7-15 with all 7 wins playing for NE. 2 of those wins against the 2-14 Jets. His final season with Carolina, Cam's record was 0-5. 4 Passing TDs, 5 INTs, 54% completions, 4 Fumbles. He did do well as a short yardage RB! Kyle Allen will be nothing more than a backup QB in the NFL going forward and his career record is 7-12 playing for Carolina, Washington and Houston. During those times Allen beats Cam in just about every QB passing statistic. Cam was a great QB in his prime and helped usher in a whole new type of QB play into the NFL. He will be remembered for that! He needs to admit to himself that it's over.

His arm was shot when he played for NE in 2020. He was a complete embarrassment in his 0-5 record back in Carolina in 2021. The Bills don't need an old broken down QB in camp. What good would that be? In 2023, Kyle Allen is a better QB than Cam Newton.

Cam Newton is shot as an NFL QB. He is not a MASSIVE upgrade over anyone. No team wanted him last year and no team will sign him this year.

Um....no. I have a bit of faith the Kyle Allen can be coached up to become a long term backup for Josh and the Bills.

I'm just saying at his age and importance you don't need to rush him back. A reinjury would be devastating.

I know he is ahead of schedule, and we will have to see exactly what that means. I for one would like to see him come around real S L O W. He is not needed in September or even October. He is needed in January and early February. If he does for whatever reason start on PUP for the season, it's only 4 games.

Beane has around $6M left. Barely enough to cover rookies, PS and IR replacements and a couple million for the season. I see that 1 $5M type signing as the tops he can go. It would mean he gets some money out or Taron Johnson's contract and maybe Morse. Going to the well again with Diggs, Dawkins and White seem counterproductive. There really isn't anything else.

I'm beginning to prepare myself for Beane being in a bad spot at #27. A very good chance all his round 1 talent will be gone, and he won't find a trade down partner. He then will be stuck with reaching for a player. It then could come down to a player in a position I don't favor and while I will learn to live with that decision, this board will probably go ape-poop over it. My greatest hope will be a CB that other teams have a 1st round grade on, and a need for, will want to trade up for at #27. I hope, I hope.

I tend to agree with your thoughts. One thing I feel happened last year was Dorsey and Josh seemed to push the play more in line of what they believed could work well (and a lot of it did) more than scheming to what the opposing D's weakness were. The Bills O seemed to be pretty much the same for a large part of the season. I'm going to believe for now, that Dorsey is a very smart football man and has the tools to be great at what he does. I do want to see more of "one play setting up another" that I see from more seasoned OCs. He is always described as "intense", and I hope he restrains that some and gets a little more calculating.

Just as the anticipated return of the swallows to San Juan Capistrano so is a thread about BPA and teams draft needs. Part of the reason is how web sites present their "Big Boards" to fans. They always have it listed from #1-#250 (or how ever far they go). This has been proven wrong by NFL teams and former GMs for years. Players are stacked by POSITION in levels that ultimately relates to draft rounds or parts of rounds, or in the case of later rounds, multiple rounds. Why some fans insist that is not true is a puzzlement to me. Here are 2 lengthy articles about how it's done. They are lengthy because the process that goes into it is complicated. The ESPN article even has some interesting symbols that teams use to identify specific areas of concern on players. I invite any fan who still believes in BPA (or fans in general who want to understand the process) to read the articles. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31209852/nfl-draft-board-building-101-secretive-yearlong-grind https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1953077-how-nfl-teams-put-together-a-big-board-for-the-nfl-draft