MJS

But we've had big, physical receivers and TEs before who have not been good at drawing PI. You have to do a little acting. You have to play back through the defender for the ball. It's something you have to actually work for.

Red is one of the Bills colors too.

His voice sounds pretty similar, but he is much more of a refined speaker now. He looks so much younger, though.

He wouldn't throw as many today because offenses have changed. Back then it was about 5 step dropbacks and pushing the ball down the field. Defenders could also be much more physical with receivers. Put Kelly in a modern offense with modern dropbacks and shotgun and his turnovers would come way down.

Jim Kelly threw a beautiful ball, that's for sure. I remember admiring that as a young kid, and then later when we had other QBs I always wondered why they couldn't throw it like Jim Kelly.

I think Benford could be the 2nd best player on the team. He has had an outstanding year, exceeding expectations. He is a good tackler as well, which is big.

He also would have come up in today's athletic environment with better training, better sports science, and FAR easier rules for the offense and QBs, without getting his teeth knocked in every time he dropped back to pass.

Well, there are no easy games. Winning still requires putting in the hard work each week. But there is a wide talent gap.

You have to suck and then be average or better. It's the only way to win the award these days.

They've been a defensive team for two years now.

It seems like most players don't like him very much, maybe because of the trash talking? But tons of other fans of other teams love Josh. I've met so many who root for the Bills as their 2nd team.

No team EVER has a 50% chance of winning the superbowl before playoffs games are played. The highest you ever get is, like, 20 to 25%.

No, I don't know. There is a lot that goes into AV. It's so true. In every sense that Josh Allen is a freak of nature, Bruce Smith is double that. He was a true freak of nature. And I'd encourage anyone to go watch OJ highlights. I've never seen such a fast, powerful running back. It's a real shame his legacy went up in flames because of his horrible actions. These players are all before my time, but I really enjoy learning about the history and legends of the Bills and the NFL.

So, the Bills have to be trolling the Pats with the red on white uniform combination, right?

Vegas doesn't know.

Many were claiming it was the worst group in the league. A few even claimed, hilariously, that it was historically bad. I think average is a lot better than what many Bills fans expected, and certainly a lot better than expected nationally. Many didn't like the Coleman pick. Many scoffed at Mack Hollins and questioned his roster position all offseason and into the season. So, I think it is not accurate to say "the wide receivers are essentially who we thought they were".

Maybe.

One thing that can't be understated is his ability to draw defensive pass interference flags. That is certainly a WR skill. It has been a LONG time since we had receivers who were good at drawing those flags. Hollins does a good job at that.

You can't quantify something with speculation, like when you said replacing Allen with Goff would turn the Bills into a 5 win team. There is just no way to quantify that. It is 100% guess work. But if the question is: Who would I rather have, Goff or Allen? I would choose Allen. There are plenty of actual metrics, over their careers, to make an easy case for Allen over Goff, and just about every other starting QB in the NFL, perhaps including Mahomes, especially lately.

Has Einstein come in here yet to lecture everyone about how it isn't the average speed and everyone is dumb for saying it is fast?

Agreed. I think OJ's '75 season could be the best season in NFL history regardless of team.

Josh is playing out of his mind. I agree with that. He also benefits from good players around him, a great oline, great coaching and scheme, including a good running game. In previous years he had to do a lot more to will the team to victory, especially when our oline was average and we had a middling run game. We could play the "what if" game, but it is futile. There is no way to know what it would be like if Josh was switched with another player. I don't like going down that road because it is 100% speculation and not worth arguing (for me, at least).

Recency bias. OJ is one of the greatest in NFL history regardless of team. Yeah, his legacy is tarnished for sure, but as a football player he was the elite of the elite. The same goes for Bruce Smith. Bruce is in the conversation for best ever pass rusher in the history of the league. Josh just isn't there yet. He needs to keep doing what he has been doing for a lot longer.

It is Bruce and it isn't even close. Josh Allen will likely end his career as the best Bill ever, but he still has a lot of playing to do. In fact, I'd put Thurman Thomas and OJ Simpson ahead of him too, and I'm close to putting Jim Kelly ahead of him, but I'll give Josh the nod over Jim because when Jim played, the offense went through Thurman Thomas, really.

It is so unfair that the Bills have to go through a gauntlet every year and the NFC playoffs can look like THAT. It is a free ticket to the superbowl if you have a good team. Not a great team, just a good one.