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I don't actually have a problem with him not drafting a WR if the right guy wasn't on the board. I was disagreeing more with the idea that he fixed the situation last year with the Cooper trade or that they've earned some kind of trust with putting the right support around the QB or their defensive drafting when the incompetence around all of those things is why we've underperformed so much in the playoffs.

I agree overall. On the last part though...yes Mahomes had to execute those plays but I would still say it's highly unlikely that if Josh was put in that situation that the coverage would have been that soft and vanilla in that same scenario with 13 seconds. I'm not taking away from Mahomes when I say that because you don't control who you're going up against, and as I still think he should carry the mantle of best QB in the league right now...but rather that Josh doesn't get to go up against that...he actually most of the time in those big games has to go up against formidable defenses, coaching and scheme.

He didn't fix it though. Cooper sucked. And if you don't think he sucked, obviously he and Josh weren't able to create a chemistry on the field for him to be more impactful during the season...which would illustrate that it's a tough fix mid-season. I don't see how he fixed it in October.

But you do know that's different right? Their defenses have been much better, especially in the playoffs. Even if you watch just that game last year, our guy had to make much tougher plays and it was a grind to get every yard and he was still possibly a bad call from winning it. Our defenses have largely been a sieve every single postseason. Also, he finished two of those drives in the 13 seconds game in the final 2 minutes and that still wasn't enough for this team to close it out for him. I get the part at the end. We had a shot to win it this past postseason and it was disappointing that it didn't happen. But the ask of him is to put up 30+ points vs a top level defense and the ask of Mahomes is to put up 30+ against a trash one. And this isn't even me throwing shade at Mahomes, I would agree with someone that he still gets the mantle of best QB in the game. It is true though that his organization and team have made it possible for him to get to and win SB's even if he isn't great all postseason long. And that's how it should be. We can't even get there when our guy is great. If he's having a down game, we have no shot. The second SB the Chiefs won vs the 49ers I think they punted like 3 times and had a turnover or two in the first half and scored 3 points I believe and their D kept them in the game....we would've been blown out if Josh had that type of half against a top team in January. I know what you're saying but I don't think it's as simple as that.

That also doesn't mean a better GM and coach couldn't win an actual championship with the best player we've ever had though. We have heavily underachieved in the playoffs, we really haven't even been close to winning a Super Bowl. They've created a situation where the ask of our franchise player is much higher than what other teams are asking of franchise players are on other teams. Josh has something like 33 TD's and 4 INT's in the playoffs...and is barely over .500! This is unprecedented, it's never happened in the history of the NFL. They have overall let him down with the defenses, coaching and support they've put around him. I'd be curious to see how that could be debated.

Right, I actually like Beane too and I appreciate his transparency because it’s more than most GM’s give but that is a valid point and fact. For me it still gets back to being able to think two things can be true at the same time. He’s a good GM that’s fallen short of being great. I think he and McD think they should have this level of reverence and trust when this team has massively underperformed in the playoffs given what the best player we’ve ever had has done and are 0-4 against our biggest rival. I don’t think the “how dare you question us” swagger really works when you haven’t won anything. 100%. The sad part about that is Josh overall has been great in the playoffs. Mahomes can win a SB even with an up and down postseason because of what’s around him and their coaching. Josh doesn’t have that luxury. He can’t even get there when he’s great.

Yeah that's kind of what I think...although we definitely lose some explosiveness going from Cook to Davis if that's what happens

It's happened for like 6 postseasons in a row but somehow that's not enough to establish it's been a pattern and not injuries

What did we win? It obviously wasn't enough. They've had 8 years to build a defense that can even be decent in the playoffs and haven't been able to do it. Our offense doesn't have the luxury that the Chiefs and Eagles do where their QB's can potentially have an up and down postseason and still make it or win the SB. Maybe we still need more weaponry to be able to answer the crazy ask that's being demanded of them.

I'm just happy the day arrived for Commander fans to see the renderings

Because it's possible to think and believe two things at the same time. I'm saying this from a fan perspective and not the WGR guys perspective because I don't listen to them...but it's possible to agree that this regime has brought the longest sustained tenure of legitimate success since the SB years AND that they have massively underachieved in the playoffs. What we've seen here is unprecedented when a star QB plays this well overall in the playoffs and has nothing to show for it. We're barely over .500 with him the playoffs playing mostly lights out and it's for the same exact reason every year. The defense has been beyond awful in the playoffs, Beane and McDermott have failed consistently on that end year after year. We've flushed almost the entire 20's of the best player we've ever had because the ask has been so high. Mahomes can have an up and down postseason and still win or make it to a SB. That just hasn't been possible for Josh, we can't even get there when he's great. All of these things can be true at the same time. You can feel fortunate and thank this regime that we're good and have had sustained success while also be aware of the shortcomings that have prevented us from winning big and wonder if these are the guys that can actually get the team over that hurdle. These are not exclusive to each other.

Exactly! And ask why even then Beane and McD can't manage to put together a defense that can at least be decent in the playoffs. Beane is much more candid and transparent than a lot of GM's and I actually appreciate that...but he did kind of have a "how are you guys doubting us" kind of energy which I don't get. Like what have McBeane done on the defensive side of the ball that would rationally have someone trust them that they'll now hit on their picks and strategy and come up big...forget big even just come up decent...in January?

Whose fault is that though? I don't mind Beane calling them out on other stuff...but Beane and McD have failed with the D year after year in a historically incompetent manner. There's never been a QB that's played this well in the playoffs overall and has nothing to show for it the way Allen has. We've needed that for like the last 6 years though and they've spent plenty of resources only to come up empty on defense in a huge way. There is something to say about the lack of credibility they've built to accomplish what we need on that side of the ball.

I will say it’s wildly immature for a 21 year old to put his dad in an embarrassing position like that. I had assumed it was like a teenager. The prank call in it of itself, stupid but not a huge deal…but he totally humiliated his own father.

I'm all about IGA scores and Gauntlet Speed