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Krisitin also writes: If you didn't like it, or liked it but didn't love it, ABC is re-playing "The End" on Saturday night (5/29), with fewer commercials. On a second glance, you might connect some things you missed. I have to say that it seems when I first watch an ep I watch for content --- what happens, how do things make sense. And when I see it again, I get the emotional content. I didn't tear up much in the finale on Sunday. But the waterworks were flowing when I re-watched it. I don't know if I'm weird in that regard or what, but that's just how it goes.

It's also just dawning on me that among the candidates that Jacob touched, Hurley and Sayid weren't touched until after the O6 got off the island. Further, Hurley wasn't touched until after Locke was killed. Can we view that as a last-minute addition from Jacob once he had an idea of what MIB would try to do? Once Locke was dead, Jacob knew that whoever took over right after him (and he always hoped it would be Jack) would probably need to sacrifice him/herself? Hurley as such an 11th-hour addition makes more sense to me that way.

Here's a clip from E! Krisitin Dos Santos, where she spills a little re: who the Kwon candidate was, the MIB's name (Samuel, translated to "Man of God" in Hebrew. I'm surprised no one here responded to that news --- kind of a validation that it didn't matter that much?) and what the entry for '108' meant in the Lighthouse. The video was getting very choppy for me. She also said that "the producers have gone into radio silence and are never, ever going to answer questions about the show." Some of the more important points: 1. It was MIB-as-Christian Shephard's form who was the Jacob's Cabin ghost. Kristin said that if you go back, you can see the white shoes he was wearing in the casket. MIB-as-Christian's eye was also the one that appeared at the window to Hurley. 2. Some further information about Walt will be given some attention in the DVDs. [i would suspect that this will be part of the Hurley-reign epilogue.] 3. The Kwon candidate was Jin. Sun was not considered a candidate b/c she was a mother. [And further to that, she was an actual birth mother, not a guardian-type mother as Kate was serving to Aaron.] 4. The entry under '108' in the Lighthouse didn't matter. Evidently, it was a made-up name. The Lighthouse served only as a way for Jack to ultimately realize/see his purpose. We all were puzzled that it didn't say 'Hume' when in reality, it was probably a made-up Kaffafka name. 5. Krisitin was told that the Protector of the Island can change the weather on the Island. Either subconsciously or consciously. To draw someone to or send someone away from the Island.... She cited the sudden onset of the storm that drove the Black Rock so far inland, and the rainstorm just before Mother was killed. Touche, Ken. As one of your belief system, what did you think of the ending? (Going by a vague IIRC history of your postings & your under-avatar line and the fact that you're posting here, I'm assuming that belief system and that you watched the show). Yeah. I will be doing that with present and future gens of my family, when they're ready. Actually, getting the Blu-rays may just make it possible to loan out the DVDs frequently. I have an uncle who's a 100% mentally disabled Vietnam vet who at this point in his life, reading a lot about it, went to the Marine Corps museum, and is finally achieving something close to peace with that time in his life and what happened. I think he really needs to see this show, especially as it relates to that final Christian Shephard speech. Well, I think the toothpaste is already out of the tube anyway.... Not quite sure why it was deleted. I would be pretty proud to have written that and be able to deliver some answers to people who are having trouble connecting the dots. I loved finding out that the Protector was not imbued with any really special powers or trove of knowledge when s/he sipped from the cup. Really, all they've got is their wits, and what they've learned and will learn about the Island and its properties. I always want to be reminded of this show's final message re: our relationships. I have it as my desktop and want it as something to hang on my wall. If ABC or whoever doesn't release a print of that church scene with the Light, I'll do it myself if I have to.... It comes so close to what I hope whatever comes next, is. (My only nitpick is that Vincent wasn't there. If my dogs aren't in 'heaven' then I don't want to go there).

And that's the sh---- part as media gets more complicated beyond stone inscriptions. Paper, celluloid, DVDs, the ether that we call the Internet, etc. don't last. Hell, even stone carving doesn't last. The question becomes, as new media arises, whether a work will survive and be translated into the next format. Or how long that translation might take. There's countless works that have just been lost to history through disinterest, natural disaster / calamity, projects that get perpetually postponed, moneyed interests and the George Lucases and Peter Jacksons of the world that are content to just sit on things, release one improvement at a time to try to get fans to buy thirty-eleven copies of their movie sets. One would hope that the quality of LOST will always draw people to it.

I'm also keen on the idea that going into the Light triggers the "rebirth" that Mother stated was one of the Light's properties. And, if this group all goes into the light together, they are with each other in their next life. One could also argue that they had achieved 'Dharma' in the Buddhist sense.... and that the Dharma Initiative actually helped bring about these peoples' Dharma. It's a little unclear to me whether this epilogue going to be on the S6 DVD/BD set for those of us who have purchased all along, or if it's exclusive to the Complete Six Season Collector's Set. It would suck a bit if it's not, but hey, they need to create their incentives so they can make more $. Also, it will doubtless be on Youtube about 10 minutes after that set is released, if not before, as many of the S5 extras were. ----- Just found the sensibility in this posting to be very nice. These LOST threads are the place we made to be together....

The Smoke Monster could take the forms of the buried. He used Alex's form during Ben's "judgment" and we learned that Richard had buried her near the Dharma-ville swingset. It could also take the form of people whose memories it downloaded, who were never on the island e.g. Ben's mother, Isabella. I think Richard may have brought Paul's body to the Temple, as that was the only place Smokey/Cerberus couldn't go. The Jughead detonation is and will remain a mystery. One could even question whether it blew up at all. Perhaps the energy release that produced the time-flash was just the effect of the drilling. The DI could then have used a lot of concrete to contain whatever radiation emanated from the exposed Jughead core, and/or used it as a power device for the Swan hatch. As UB2 wrote, the candidates couldn't die... or at least not by the hands of Juliet. But there may well have been a small explosion (without the rest of the bomb, the core explosion wouldn't have been nearly as large), and the DI built the Swan to contain the Source energy release to levels where it wouldn't do harm. That actually makes sense as I write it now. Just so everyone knows, the Incident is where Richard "saw them all die." Per writer's-room white-board that was shown in S5 DVD commentary, there was to be a scene where Richard witnessed the Incident, and it evidently didn't make the final cut. This link gets it totally right (but, screw the writer's "thoughts and wishes"). Jacob loosely orchestrated everything. Aaron was a part of the core S1 group, and apparently, the island experience was the most important part of his life. Different from Des and Penny's son, Charlie, who had no real connection to the island. Not quite sure how Penny is there, but then again she did serve as Desmond's constant. Interesting to note that only Boone and Locke are without a coupling in the final church scene (and, no, they're not sitting close together, either). Not any kind of judgment on you, but Doc Dank, that link is a pure canard. There is nothing to it, that's not from an interview with JJ Abrams, and most of the ideas in it are directly opposed by what we saw and what Christian said in the "The End." The Sideways world was not reality, they are all dead, and the time lines do not merge, beyond the consciousness merges of certain of the Lostaways from the original timeline into this purgatory/intermediary stage where they 'waited' (but, "there is no now, here" so there was no wait as such) for everyone to corporeally die and then decide whether to move on/let go. I put no stock into this link's contents. I believe so. Also, the cat Sayid saw at the Flame station. Every vision was an effort by the MIB to push the Lostaways on. As much as he accused Jacob of "pushing" them all to the island, he was doing the same thing. But whereas Jacob largely left people to make their own choices, MIB was using ghostly persuasion. Yeah. That seems clear. Ethan was the last baby to be conceived and born on the island. If you're unhappy with the ending and/or the last season, that's your prerogative... to be unhappy. Personally, I don't want to be moany and groany. We got a pretty darn good resolution, the story came full circle, and it was a beautiful message at the end. I'm sorry you didn't like it.

Sorry for the flood here, but also remember that some of the Temple survivors who went with FLocke and were not killed by Widmore's bombs were still on the island. I believe that included Cindy, the 815 stewardess and Zach & Emma. Suppose that Hurley would get them home, or would they stay on-island? It would be pretty difficult to resume their old lives b/c of the O6's public statements. But I suppose that Ben's network could hook them up with new identities if they wanted to leave. It would be interesting for them to be part of the Hurley-reign storyline, tho. Also, I would like to believe Hurley sets up a Mr. Cluck's franchise on the island... or at least imports some more chickens. Rose and Bernard apparently don't leave, and I would imagine that Vincent stays with them as he had been. And, I imagine that if/when Hurley finds Jack's body, they bury him on Boone Hill.

I'm one who initially put some interpretation stock into that. That was pretty ****ty of the network to do, especially w/o asking the producers. They wanted from the start to have the last, last, last image of the show be Jack's closing eye, and some stooge just had to ---- with it. Hope it's fixed in the DVDs. It would've helped immensely to have put some kind of word mark there, a tribute, a thanks to the fans, a "THE END" etc. to really hit it home that the scene was separate from the storytelling/content of the series.

Some items.... - The MIB's name has apparently been revealed as "Samuel." Link. This is going around the Internets based on the casting scripts. Judging from the number of people who either don't think it matters, thin it doesn't count b/c it's not LOST 'canon,' or actually prefer that he be/remain called "Man in Black," just shows Darlton made the right call. It probably would have made for too much of a biblical diversion that wouldn't really have gone anywhere. Also, as one person alluded, that was the Boy in Black's name... when the Smoke Monster / Cerberus inhabited his consciousness, "Samuel" was altered. - Jacob could travel off-island and not worry about MIB getting off also, b/c the Light had to be shut off in order for MIB to leave. Jacob / the Island Protector is the only one who has access to the Light's area. It is apparently somehow hidden to others, except by invitation/accompaniment of the Protector. - Also, this sounds like a very reasonable explanation of Eloise Hawking's character in the Sideways world. She is Island Enlightened, knows it's not real, and doesn't want to let go. (And, I would add that "how she knows what would happen in the original timeline" was that she had Daniel's journal. After Dan started flashing back, that was it, and why "for the first time in a long time, I don't know what happens next." That seemed pretty self-evident after "The Incident" when she got Dan's journal.) - paulv70, we can't really explain all of the sounds the Smoke Monster made. If you go back to the Nikki & Paulo ep (Expose), tho, you'll find that part of it (I believe the ticka-ticka-ticka) was comprised of the paralytic spiders. I suppose you'd have to chalk the rest up to the physics of rapid air movement, and metaphysics.

Doc Jensen's LOST finale recap Part II: Step Into the Light ----- ABC will be replaying "The End" on Saturday @ 8 p.m. It will run in 2 hours, meaning... fewer commercials. ----- This photo is my desktop background. Hope to get it in better quality when the DVDs come out.

This was not explained in detail. You kind of need to combine it with some of what we saw in the Light cavern, and what we saw in the other wells that there are other access spots to the Light (tho, these do not have access to the "Cork" that contains Hell). In "Across the Sea" the MIB said something about channeling the water" which was an important part of what happened when Des removed the carrot stone --- the streams that funneled water to the pool pretty much stopped flowing. There was no outlet for the pool, either, so the water apparently drained into spots along the hole (the carrot stone didn't take up that whole space), which may have had the effect that whatever was in there couldn't get past the water and/or the stone. Might've been like having a knob lock and a deadbolt on your door. As such, the water was an important part of what kept whatever it was, at bay. I guess their thinking with the wells was to make a small crack in the Light /(and with what we saw when Ben and Locke moved the wheel, the Light is connected to Time), divert some water, and voila. Perhaps the Romans(?) in the time of Mother had observed some phenomena along the lines of the guy who died during the Orchid drilling. They had a theory, that for Mother, hit a little too close to sounding like it'd work. There was also the point made at the time that so many things on-island work by someone just believing they'll work. At a certain point, you need to take it on faith, and as presented.

I don't think I've read and never got the impression that tgregg was a writer on LOST. He works at Bad Robot, and interacts with the core creators of the show, but also works on sundry other projects, such as "Cloverfield." I remember reading a few seasons back that he was and wanted to stay "LOST-pure"... But that evidently wasn't meant to be, and he has worked on LOST in some capacity, especially this season, but not (I think) as a writer, or a Head Writer at least. Nonetheless, tgregg has been a fantastic resource, and one who knew the line that straddles employee/fan and walked it like a pro. Further to when I'm going to change the avatar.... Still, I don't know. I'm still basking in the afterglow, two days later. This feeling really hasn't let up. I don't know when it will. The ending was beautiful. I feel like I'm sitting in the church with these people, and I don't really want it to subside or leave. LOST is like a new religion.

Doc Jensen's LOST Finale recap, Part I: And in the End.... Oh, wow! Deep. It was also a kind of flashback to the Swan computer.... BAM, it's triggered. Everything's going to hell, destruction is afoot. But there is a little bit of time for things to be set right again, for the numbers to be punched in and crisis averted. As someone asked here, not everything came spilling out of the bottle when the cork was removed. Evil was bottle-necked. But, if given more time, it would have been fully released. I don't want to quote too much from Doc's entry. His numbered sequence on page 6 is dead-on. The "if this doesn't happen, God help us all" and similar lines of "you and everyone you love will ___" are explained. MIB escaping (which required the destruction of the island) would mean no more souls for mankind, and no possibility of togetherness in the afterlife. MIB said, "I want you to know that you died for nothing." Perhaps it was that MIB had never known real friendship, had never had a community of people that he was linked to, like our Lostaways in the church were connected to each other. What Jack died for was not nothing.

Also thinking about Dave.... It was like his mindset was in the Sideways world, had figured out the sideways world... but was metaphysically in the real world. Also, the skeletons in the Light cavern. I wonder why people who B word about the Mother story aren't bitching that we don't get these skeleton's story. Just goes to show that the deeper you try to delve into the past (or the future) the murkier/more Impressionistic your answers will be. We are given Jack's story, full-circle. The other stories of these other bones aren't in the cards for us. It should be enough to know from this that this struggle has been going on from the start of time, and will continue until the end of time.

I don't know. Not ready to let go yet.

We have a bucket of those things from when my uncle worked at Ma Bell half a century ago. They can literally hold up the world. We had two holding a hanging rod in our coat closet for time out of mind and there was a good 200 pounds hanging on it. Another bedroom closet has a smaller wooden rod that I literally did a pull-up on, no problem. The screw sticking out 1/4" should not be a problem, except in force majeure situations, and then, a clock on a wall isn't your biggest concern. There's enough purchase on the screw for it to hold. Then again, these anchor bolts were made in the USA. Can't speak for the cheap metal the Asian companies use, but I have not been impressed with too many of our recent buys. Metals are super soft, strip so much easier.

If your afterlife consists of being with people on your Facebook page, I'm not sure I want to go there. As a small plaque we have reads, "HEAVEN is where you meet all the dogs you ever loved." Re-watching last night, I full-on cried when Vincent cuddled up with Jack. Kate said, meeting with Jack outside the concert tents, "I have missed you so much." There was some part of me that questioned whether the Ajira plane actually got off the island/island bubble, but that confirmed they did. Sawyer, Kate, Miles, Richard, Lapidus, and Claire (the Ajira Six?) lived out their mortal lives off-island. In my mind, Claire raised Aaron, as she was supposed to; Kate and Sawyer's relationship grew albeit slowly and respectfully of Juliet and Jack; Richard would find Isabella's grave and try to live the rest of his life (however it happened wrt the aging process either un-pausing or if it caught up rather fast); I imagine Lapidus maxing on a beach with sunshine and margaritas. But Miles, I'm not sure. He stops exhorting people, maybe he starts using his gift more responsibly... if he still has his gift. Could the opening of the Light plug have taken it back in the same way it made FLocke mortal? Also, thinking back to Richard Malkin and his daughter. Just wondering, now that we know what we know, if he experienced some small bits of "Island Enlightenment" when he touched Claire. For all of his bum's-rush explanation to Eko that he was a fraud, he really did see something. Been away for about a day, catching up on some sleep and 3 pages sprung up! Awesome post, tgregg. We've really appreciated your input, as much as you were allowed. IIRC, he asked to leave the show very shortly after getting a DUI in Hawai'i and went back to the UK. I guess whatever happened really soured him.

That's getting too involved in the timeline. As Christian said, there is no such thing Time in the sideways world/inside the church. It's kind of like, the end of time, or at least a point where the last of the castaways were dead (and, as Christian said, some of them died "long after" Jack). Throw out the concept of plausibility in the sideways world. From the start with the arrivals board that read something like Oceanic 815 was in a state of flux, there've been clues. That title itself had a particular meaning... Is this LA? and X = 'Wrong.' The sideways was a transition place/purgatory that had all the trappings of the real world, and it seemed to be and continues to be for those who don't/choose not to "let go." It doesn't have to have an air of reality, b/c it's not reality.

Oooo. That's a valid. That's a valid point!

Michael Emerson said on Kimmel last night that at a lot of times, it was like he was the only one for which this show was a comedy. And, when asked how many time he got the sh-- kick out of him, he said, "How many episodes was I in?... Double that." Also, it's interesting that Ben didn't go in the church for the reasons given already, that it would be kind of awkward, given all the things he did (but they were the things he had to do). I would also add that, tho he seems to know what's inside the church, it may be that he wants more time with Danielle and Alex.

That describes Hurley to a T. Jack was on the island to fix Jacob... to perform a little surgery, remove the cancer, and then get out. It was a nice touch that he is what connects Jacob to Hurley. Hurley has been such a positive character all along. It's right that it was him. Still, it's a little sad that he's taken away from his mom and dad. But he left them well, and when you look at it in that regard, it's kind of a coming-of-age story for Hurley. And then, too, it's like the island needs someone who is pure of heart, maybe a little simple-minded and innocent. And yet, Hurley has learned enough, lost enough naivete from this time to make his own rules for the Island. As I've written before, the way this show used Vincent was superb. I can totally dig on the word-flip dog=god, or at least 'the good reaper' of sorts. The scene with Rose and Bernard was a great conclusion to their story. When FLocke made the threat to Desmond that he would kill them, and further that he would make it hurt.... Sayid and Sun & Jin were losses, sure I wanted MIB dead as payback, but the 'make it hurt' part --- that's the first point where I really wanted the same for him. They got to live the rest of their days doing exactly what they wanted to do. They were not Adam and Eve. They were better than that. If people were "let down" by this show, then it's their own damn fault. You get out of it what you put into it. I will re-iterate that LOST is like an Impressionist paint, as far as some of the mysteries/properties of the island. If you're looking for a pixel-rich JPEG, you're not going to get it. Perfect clarity is not what our limited understanding of life, the earth, and beyond earth affords us. Before I forget, duey, I would just like to thank you again and to all of the other frequent posters to these threads over the years who've put in your observations, theories, etc. Some don't seem to have stuck with the show, and hey, it's a free country, but I think the payoff of following this show has been worth it and then some. It was really life-affirming at a time when I have needed some affirming in this area. Like I said, I took my dog's (and some close relatives') death really hard. And there've been times when I've said to myself that when LOST is over I may be ready to check out. I haven't been in that frame of mind for a while; I am better, I feel better even tho certain aspects that drove it are still there, mostly with the employment situation. But I'm glad to see this show end the way it did... with love and affirmation. A professor of mine once said that pretty much all of fiction can be reduced to "The Search for Family." That's right, and here were a group of characters who found a family even when their own biological family situations left a lot to be desired. In a way, a number of us now have a connection. This is what makes TBD such a great place. SDS is like our Jacob/Hurley. The submerged Island seems to have happened during/at the end of Hurley's reign. He was on the flight and it's made pretty clear that he's one of the ones who died "long after" Jack did. To quote Frasier Crane, and one of his big epiphanies, "I'm sorry, caller. I can't help you." You need to fill some of those potholes yourself. They won't magically be filled for you. But the more I read of your posts, the more I'm realizing that even when someone does try to fill the potholes, you run over them with a big Mack truck and blow them open again. There are some things you need to let go. How didn't you get this message from the show? It was an Eloise Hawking character who didn't want to lose her son. At the end of her natural life, whenever that was, she was still trying to arrange everything, trying to hold on to Daniel and not taking to task her own advice to Desmond outside the jewelry store that the universe does what it does and you can't change things appreciably. She couldn't "let go" and so it seems she remains/ed in the purgatory of the sideways world. I didn't see, I'll have to see it again, but did Dan go in the church? There was a point where I thought EH thought that Desmond was the MIB... drawing on her "this is a violation of the rules" quote. Yeah, having thought about it, that final shot seems to be that.

If you haven't gotten enough clues to fit a good deal of that stuff together for yourself, then that's your thing. As someone who's always been more focused on the island mysteries than the characters, I'm pretty damn satisfied with what we got. You know, as I've written before, it seems apparent that we're not meant to get all the answers about the Light and what the Stone stopper was. If you believe Jacob's cork example, it was Hell, the devil, bad things that needed to be capped to keep them out of the world. Desmond himself could barely handle exposure to the Light's properties. The smoke monster was a form of electromagnetic energy that was MIB's, for lack of a better word, soul, and similar to how he inhabited Locke's body, the Smoke inhabited MIB's consciousness (one that couldn't die b/c of the rules Mother had made). Make no mistake, I don't think the Smoke Monster / Cerberus is gone --- it was around before MIB, and it would always have the chance of being released again by people who wrecked upon the island, which is why Hurley and those after him needed to stay. What we've seen is all we'll get from what the Protectors do. If that isn't enough for you, well, tough luck. As for the Others and the DI, those were entities that needed to exist to push our castaways to where they needed to be. They fulfilled Jacob's plan, they laid the groundwork for much of what happened. Hatches, supplies, they cleared the Ajira runway from the jungle.... It was not shown, but I would guess that a brief visit from Jacob is what started the DI... much the same as Widmore said Jacob visited him shortly after the freighter explosion and explained what needed to be done. Once Jacob's ideas left his mouth, tho, people were on their own in how to fulfill them. That was his style. I'm a little miffed. You give some large concepts of things you're not satisfied with. The Flash Forward season didn't give answers.... in what way? What in particular didn't have an answer about that? It was a storytelling conceit. Happens a lot in fiction. Jack died where his island journey started. It wasn't a reboot for the crash to happen again or something. It was a visual 'full circle.' The sideways world? That was a kind of purgatory where these people all needed to form a link with a constant in order to cross over. How was it created? Was it a working of Jacob? Jack? Is it God's waiting room (and to borrow from "Contact" this purgatory does appear to use imagery from places they knew in the real world)? We don't know, b/c it's beyond the human mind to understand. This is where it gets a little religious-y, but not of any particular religion, or religion as we know it at all. Religion is just a means to explain what will happen, this in particular what will happen when we die. Like I wrote, if you don't get it, then it's your thing. It's kind of like an Impressionist painting, and you want to see a 10MB photograph so you can zoom in, enhance and enlarge something in the background. Well, this show can't really help you with that. Yes, the Jin-Sun & Sawyer meeting in the sideways world was a great touch of them realizing their connection to Sawyer and not sharing the in-joke.

And I maintain, more than ever, that Green Day's "Time of Your Life" fits like a glove on this series. So make the best, of this test And don't ask why. For what it's worth, It was worth all the while It's something unpredictable And in the end there's right. I hope you had the time of life. Need to learn how to make a flash movie and compile some screencaps.

Didn't quite know what to make of that myself. The wreckage was originally washed out to sea by incoming tides. I think we need to at least entertain that they all did die in the crash... and that their time on-island was a psychic extra and happened on another plane of being. Real for their consciousnesses, but in terms of our corporeal human world, I dunno. But Christian's line seems to wrap that when he said that time didn't really exist in the sideways/purgatory world, but that some of the castaways died before and some died "long after" Jack. So it would seem that the O6 and the finale's Ajira passengers did get back to what we call the real world. And I'll just say that for myself, I have to believe that Kate and Sawyer stayed together when they got back. It might have taken some time to develop, but I really can't see them with anyone else, or living separate lives where they wouldn't see each other, all that they'd been through. Claire, we imagine, would go back to Australia and try to raise Aaron? Also, imagine Richard trying to live in the real world. He'd been off-island three times, the most recent in 2004 to scope out Juliet's sister for Ben. No papers, no SS#, no birth record (one that'd read he was 200+ years old)... what does he do? Probably will visit Isabella's grave, OK. I guess the one constant he'd face is an intractable Catholic Church.... Wonder too how fast his aging process will be, as it was hinted that the "gift" from Jacob expired. Just a little miffed why they would make that the final scene. What did it mean? (Then again, it was just a credit rollover photo.) I think it was a really cool, original way to end this show. In many finales we learn what characters did in the rest of their lives. "This one became a X and had 6 children..." but here, we get to fill in for ourselves what became of those who got on the Ajira plane, Hurley and Ben, and we know the rest of their eternity. Or is it their eternity? Will they one day be stepping through the bright light of the doorway? I'm going to have to go back and watch that mobisode that showed suit-Christian in the few minutes before the opening shot of the show, where he tells Vincent to 'wake up my son.' Same tie as he wore in the church last night? Yes, it is.

Here's one to the person who wrote to watch out for Hurley becoming Island Guardian, after having said "I'm just happy it wasn't me" last week. Chalk another one up for the reluctant leader being the one who's most meant for the job. Per Doc's instant reaction.... What we all thought was the appendectomy scar in LA X.... Nope, it was the knife scar. I was thinking, "He could still be OK, right?" Guess it's just the act of a special-knife stabbing that does in the Guardian. It would seem that FLocke's knife would now become similar to the knife Dogen had been holding, and in the Island future we're not shown, is probably the knife that would be used to kill Hurley. Hurley's reign would be something to see... but then again, I suppose it would be a lot of the same repetitious themes that the Island plays over and over. And, as the show said and as I wrote earlier, that wasn't our story. Also a nice moment when Jack cuts down MIB reciting a "This is like old times, eh?" as they were lowering Desmond. Jack has come to see Locke as a friend, someone who he cares about and will protect, after that finale in S3 when he said Locke was "neither" friend nor family. Are we to assume that underneath the Keystone Light is... what? Hell, literally? The shape of the hole seemed to have a demonic vibe. We'll have to see whether someone figures out what the writings on it say. Essentially, Des removing the stone turned MIB back into a human form, and Kate winds up being the heroine that she's always been described as --- she kills the MIB.