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I didn't do a single extra-curricular thing in high school, including sports.

You just earned a ton of brownie points. Have a good day Koko.

Well, that's one way to keep your head firmly planted in the sand.

This.

I think you're right about this being the better way to approach racially motivated crimes (when provable, of course). In Wisconsin v. Mitchell, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously found that penalty-enhancement hate crime statutes do not conflict with free speech rights, because they do not punish an individual for exercising freedom of expression; rather, they allow courts to consider motive when sentencing a criminal for conduct which is not protected by the First Amendment. https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-was-significance-court-ruling-wisconsin-v-468966

Haha we both just posted about motives. But if motive can't be proven in a court of law to a jury of our peers, then why is that part of our system of law (i.e. hate crimes)? At some level motive can (but not always) be established, and racially motivated crimes are no different. I read the article about racial slurs being used during the attack. If I was on a jury and the prosecution was using that as part of the evidence to establish racially motivated intent, those racial slurs would have spoken volumes to me.

None of that data says anything about motive for those crimes. On its own it's meaningless. But you already knew that I'm sure.

Just to be clear, are you saying that you agree or disagree with the notion that attacking someone based on the color of their skin is NOT a form of racial discrimination?

We're already past the video Jim. But thank you for your contribution.

I think most of us here have heard of redlining by now. Redlining, despite being outlawed for decades, still has lingering effects within the black community. Those effects could be curtailed with new legislation. Why do you think that situation isn't in need of a political remedy?

A completely reasonable take even if we disagree about systemic racism. For the record, I don't believe it is running through ALL agencies and aspects of our societies. But it's certainly prevalent at various points in specific institutions (imo).

I agree. Now I'd like Rob to correct himself and say the same thing.

So then, this situation aside (since the motives are debatable), do you also believe that racial discrimination (such as attacking people for the color of their skin) ended at some point during the 20th century?

But now you're changing your words. You didn't say systemic racial discrimination. You said: Tell me, since you seem to believe that racial discrimination ended in the 20th century: do you know when blacks were no longer attacked simply for being black during the 20th century? Because being attacked based on the color of ones skin is a form of racial discrimination. As you can see from the above Tweet, blacks are still being attacked just for being black.

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Thank you for another good contribution. Very solid post.

No because it's not that absolute or black-and-white (for lack of a better term). Life has a lot of grey area and this is just another example. Personally I was supportive of Bernie's platform because his approach was to make the economy work better for everyone, but especially poor people of all colors. His biggest problem during the primary was that he didn't pander enough to the race ticket in the Democratic party. I despise an unfair economic system just as much as systemic racism, and it is absolutely true that whites suffer from the unfair economic system we have where the elites get there way while the rest of us lift them up. But those two things (systemic racism and a rigged economy) can and do co-exist. You cannot just lift black people out of poverty because of systemic racism while completely ignoring whites in poverty. That's ***** up and wrong. Flat out. It needs to be a comprehensive approach, which means including the discussion of systemic racism with the discussion of our rigged economy.

And what about the equity that was built up in those houses over those 15 years and beyond? How much of an advantage did redlining give whites for generations? Time value of money. Having money in the first place makes getting more money even easier.

If the system was absolutely fair and equal to every participant, you'd be right. But I'd also wager that these issues would be much less prevalent in certain minority communities if the system was truly fair and equal to every participant. Black, brown, white, green, purple. We are all the same creatures of Mother Nature. We all have the same God-(I use that term loosely)-given ability to make something of ourselves and be the best individuals that we can be. I cannot begin to fathom how individual responsibility, fatherless homes, addiction, and looking for a handout are somehow intrinsically linked to not having the average wealth that whites have in lieu of some kind of systemic issues (primarily in the economy). Just think about it in terms of math. Like you said there are more white people overall, and more white poor people. But even with that much weight pulling down the average white wealth, whites STILL have 10x the amount of wealth that blacks have. That's beyond individual circumstance Joe.

Riddle me this. If it's not the fault of systemic racism, what is the cause? If I had to guess, you'd probably say it's the boogeyman that is "the left" that intentionally keeps them locked in poverty to maintain a voting bloc. Am I right?

No, they cannot.

It was a technical difficulty. I kept copying the link on my phone but it wouldn't paste. Easy there.

Some context for you gentlemen. https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/02/myrtle-beach-homeowner-appliance-technician-share-eye-opening-discussion-about-racism/

The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances. I completely agree with what you said in regards to the overall arc of progress. But that isn’t what Rob said. Look at his sentence. He’s not saying we were in the process of emerging. He said we emerged. For someone as careful with words as he is, that is very telling to me. That’s why I’d like a clarification.