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Lol. You had no problem responding to the conversation on the previous page. Funny that. How incredibly consistent of you.

So you think the purpose of what he said is to inform people about the general existence of slavery? Oh boy...

A letter to five of the presidents who owned slaves while they were in office. George Washington, when you won the revolution, how many of your soldiers did you send from a battlefield to the cotton field? How many had to trade in their rifles for plows? Can you blame the slaves who ran away to fight for the British, because at least the Redcoats were honest about their oppression? Thomas Jefferson, when you told Sally Hemings that you would free her children if she remained your mistress, did you think there was honor in your ultimatum? Did you think we wouldn't be able to recognize the assault in your signature? Does raping your slave, when you disguise it as bribery, make it less of a crime? When you wrote the Declaration of Independence, did you ever intend for black people to have freedom over their bodies, James Madison? When you wrote to Congress that black people should count as three-fifths of a person, how long did you have to look at your slaves to figure out the math? Was it easy to chop them up? Did you think they would be happy being more than just half-human? James Monroe, when you proposed sending slaves back to Africa, did black bodies feel like rented tools? When you branded them, did the scar on their chest include an expiration date? When you named the country Liberia, were you trying to be ironic? Does this really count as liberation? Andrew Jackson, was the Trail of Tears not enough for you? Was killing Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek, Seminoles not enough to quench your imperialism? How many brown bodies do you have to bulldoze before you can call it progress, Mr. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson? When you put your hand on the Bible and swore to protect this country, let's be honest in who you were talking about. When the first Independence Day fireworks set the sky aflame, don't forget where we were watching from. So, when you remember Jefferson's genius, don't forget the slaves who built the bookshelves in his library. When you remember Jackson's victories in war, don't forget what he was fighting to preserve. When you sing that this country was founded on freedom, don't forget the duet of shackles dragging against the ground my entire life. I have been taught how perfect this country was, but no one ever told me about the pages torn out of my textbooks, how black and brown bodies have been bludgeoned for three centuries and find no place in the curriculum. Oppression doesn't disappear just because you decided not to teach us that chapter. If you only hear one side of the story, at some point, you have to question who the writer is. I'm a third-year graduate student at Harvard University. And I study broadly the history of racial inequality in the United States. I taught high school English for several years in Prince George's County, Maryland. And part of what I always think about is how important it is to complicate history. The presidents and the founding fathers and all of the people we sort of raise up as false idols, we don't wrestle with the fact that many of these were brilliant men, but they were also men with deep prejudices against people of color, against indigenous people, against women. The Jefferson I learned about was the intellectual founding father of this country, responsible for the conception of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And we never talked about the fact that he owned slaves. Only after we understand where we have come from can we understand how we need to move forward. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/shouldnt-forget-u-s-presidents-owned-slaves

So, if the Bills name was to be changed for this reason would you view that as consistent or cherry picking?

I think some time away from the board will do him some good.

Gross.

One thing to keep in mind on this topic is demand. How high is the demand for a QB right now? I know I know, it's a QB driven league, there's never enough QBs and what not, but Josh still hasn't proven himself to the rest of the league yet. Cam Newton, former NFL MVP, wasn't even on a team until 2 days ago. Rather than just say he might be worth some random pick, does anyone have a specific trade with a specific team in mind?

I'm not really sure either way. But if anyone can do it, it's Bellichick and McDaniels. If I had to bet I'd say no though.

I think that for traditional pocket passers, one could make an argument that 30 is the prime of their career. Raw strength (including throwing power) doesn't seem to diminish as quickly as speed does. In addition, one has to consider the cerebral nature of quarterbacking and how much of an impact experience can have on the field. Fwiw, Kelly was 30 in 1990 when the Bills began their run. Granted, Cam isn't considered a traditional pocket passer and he has his injury history. But even some of the athletic quarterbacks can become good pocket passers.

That was my first impression. I could write a better article in my sleep on the exact same position.

"The thing is, public opinion about race hasn’t always been this polarized. In fact, some attitudes about race were entirely unrelated to partisanship before Barack Obama was elected president in 2008. But after he was elected, racial attitudes and party identification became increasingly intertwined to the extent that by 2012, opposition to interracial relationships or overtly negative views of African Americans predicted whether someone identified as Republican for the first time in decades." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-and-democrats-increasingly-agree-on-the-protests-but-not-why-people-are-protesting/

Fooled me. I thought this was a reference to most of the Bills teams of the last 2 decades lol.

Top-down control. Power. Men behind the curtain. Fewer individual freedoms. Assault on liberty. Things the American Right will never tolerate!!! Yadda yadda ya.

This guy is a microcosm of PPP. I always kind of assumed that PPP was reflective of many of the users of this board. But if this thread is any indication, the batshit crazy alt-right that is PPP is in fact just a very vocal minority. This guy FireChans has gotten demolished in this thread and it gives me a lot of hope seeing the once silent majority giving him hell.

... Some people just don't get it.

Because he said so:

I was literally just thinking that it was in bad taste. I removed it. It has nothing to do with you. It's difficult to communicate explicitly through text. That's not any one person's fault. It's just a fact of textual comms. The clearer I am, the clearer you (as in the general you) will understand me. I think this also applies to your groupthink comment as well, though.

I believe that rampant ignorance is the largest reason people vote No but there are others which might be valid. I do not condone or support groupthink. I believe in freedom of expression within reason. I hope that clears things up. And sorry for the sass...

And in your mind, that means I said all people need to vote one way because otherwise they are just ignorant? That's bad comprehension on your part. Admit it and move on.

Lol. This is a first. Don't put the blame on me just because you added meaning that was never present. If it's not explicitly stated, don't assume it. That's Interwebz 101.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Could it be that even in lieu of ignorance, people with all of the pertinent knowledge at their disposal might still vote no for a host of other reasons? Why yes, it could! We need not reduce positions into such black-and-white logic all the time, you know. Could it be that such a comment is not a reference to there being one right answer (and hence a demand for all Yes votes), but instead a reference to the surprise of the current ratio of Yes votes to No votes? Yes! It could be that, too! Again, the only one making broad brush strokes with the inability to distinguish nuance is the guy who's talking about groupthink.

I didn't proclaim that. If your reading comprehension is this bad, I think you're beyond help. I honestly feel bad for you at this point. You're embarrassing yourself.

No one has said that everyone should vote one way in the entire 7 pages of this thread. Just because you've been trained into reducing opposing viewpoints into some type of Orwellian dystopian belief doesn't mean that's the reality chief.

Oooof. Dude, this entire post is you being on your high horse. You were responding to someone who couldn't believe how many people would be opposed to this action, and your response was to reduce their sentiment to the notion that everyone should think like they do as if it were some sort of top-down mandate to coerce the masses into subjugation, which is exactly what groupthink is a reference to. You're as transparent as you are ignorant. All I did was call out your bs.