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8 minutes ago, billspro said:
This is an amazing post, I’m so glad you called that guy out.
dude..... how many times do I have to say this..... go back and read up on the debate I was having. it was about flacco. the post he "called out" was me talking about flacco and somebodies comp of allen and flacco.
i'm fine with josh allen.
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16 hours ago, BB@Shooter said:
I saw Allen play in person at least 20 times. The offense they ran was a run first offense. He won 8 games two years in a row. That doesn't happen at Wyoming very often. I can tell you have not actually watched Allen as much as you say, so excuse me for believing you don't know as much as you would like to assume.
When I tell you Allen was our best back, trust me. Our line was horrible as our backs were also. Our OC is one of the worst ones I have ever seen. He didn't even begin to try to build the offense around the talent of Allen. Instead he ran the ball on the first two downs and put Allen in 3rd and long most series. Then the opposing team would play an 8 man front against us and blitz the crap out of us. And our OC didn't even give Allen a way to make the defense pay for blitzing or overpaying the run game. We hardly ever ran pass paterns across the middle, and our fullback didn't get one carry until our bowl game.
Our receivers always ran their patterns short of the 1st down markers, quit on their routes, couldn't handle average throws, and could get no seperation. The reason Allen came back for his junior year is because of loyalty, and he knew he needed more experience. Allen is a winner. He was 8-3 in the games he played this year. Probably would have been 10-3 if he didn't get hurt. He could have set out our bowl game and didn't. He could have not thrown at the combine like Darnold, but didn't. He could have only played one series at the Senior Bowl like Mayfield, but he doesn't have anything to hide. In fact he wasn't happy with the way he played in the 1st half and told the coaching staff he wanted to play in the 2nd half. Where he then tore it up. So you obviously don't know Allen, and I highly doubt you saw more than a few highlight clips, and definitely the clips where they tried to say he wasn't worth a crap. Allen doesn't care about personal stats, he cares about winning. And he is a good character kid regardless. Whoever released those tweets on him held them back until the last minute. They should be thankful I don't know who they are because it was a chickenshit deal. Allen and Buffalo will be a good match. I just wished he had a year to sit and watch. I doubt it happens though.
maybe go back and look at convo I was having.... I was in the middle of debate about joe flacco.... i'm cool with allen, bro.
good talk.
1 hour ago, Tyrod's friend said:
I'm not a huge guy for Allen, but to use this sort of information screams that you don't have a grasp on what statistics and analytics have to do with one another.
These are numbers, not analysis.Honestly.
A fine, fine post and worth being repeated and read again.
Makes me wonder if some of my thoughts need to be reconsidered.right..... other than the fact that it was directed at me and he didn't realize my statements were about joe flacco.
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28 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Again Tyrod was passing 180 ypg in his 7th season with 40+ games as a starter. AJMcCarron was passing 180 ypg in his 2nd season with 0-4 games under his belt.
and so that's where my hope lies with McCarron. he was young and hadn't played much. but the bottom line is nobody can reference his body of work in the nfl as to why he's gonna be an upgrade.
he had a STACKED squad around him and wasn't real impressive.
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38 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:
Why do you not consider the possibility that the HC and OC wanted to KISS (keep it simple stupid) to help the young AJM in his game by not putting too much pressure on him?
Also he played 3 of 4 games against good teams. In 3 regular season and 1 playoff games had 6 TD's and 3 INT's. He had had 2 TD's and 2 INT's in the game where he came in off of the bench against the Steelers.
He won 2 and lost 1 in OT by 3 points to the Super Bowl Winning Bronco's.
The Steelers playoff game he had the lead and was marching to score again before the ball was fumbled on the Steelers 9 giving it back to Pitt with about 1:30 on the clock. Then shortly after Burfict and another dumbass had back to back 15 yard penalties that put the Steelers in position to kick the winning FG.
If it were Superbackup Jimmy G you'd be lauding him as a hero!!!!
The guy you LOVE Jimmy G had 83.7 ypg passing in his 2 game starts in NE.
In his 5 game starts in SF he had 7 TD's and 5 INT's! That is 1 Less start, 1 Less TD and 1 Less INT than the 2nd year AJ McCarron.
I know you can see this post. So please answer the question put forward. Why you have so much against this AJ McCarron?
Does anyone that has an issue with AJMcCarron care to speak to his accomplishments with his Tyrod Taylor type passing #'s?
I am not saying AJM will be great, I just don't see how anyone can say he will fail at this time.
I can’t speak for most and I havnt said much on this topic as of late but my main gripe is with individuals like you that want no part of any excuse for Taylor and then you go on to have a long list of them in a post like this for McCarron. But then again you’ve always been fairly shameless on bending arguments to fit your narrative. Stats matter sometimes for you. Sometimes they don’t. Excuses matter for you.... but then sometimes they don’t. Bottom line is McCarron had a much better team around him in 15 than Taylor has ever had and didn’t produce any better than Taylor ever has.
He might end up being better. I sure hope he is. I’m holding out hope that he will be based on a couple more years of learning and experience since his lackluster fill-in job. But there is no real proof he’ll be an upgrade. Anyone acting like they know McCarron will be better based on past performance is making themselves look silly. I’m not saying you in particular. I just mean in general.
It’s comical to me seeing some of the same people that bagged on Taylor and his production are hyping McCarron. It makes slim to no sense.
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Lambeau is a bucket list item for me so my wife and I will be making the drive with a couple of others in our RV.
Definitely excited
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1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:
Thanks, I had forgotten that play. I just remembered a McCarron fumble with a pick or two as well.
It was quite literally Jeremy hill. All the bengals had to do was sit on the clock down inside Pitt territory and then kick an fg to basically seal it. Hill had one job. Don’t fumble.... he fumbled.
Just now, stony said:I'm not even sure, I just remember a huge meltdown by the Bengals and the knock-out hit on Brown. I think there were a few more unfortunate events in that meltdown.
It should have never come to that. Hill had one job to do. Hold onto the ball. And he didn’t.
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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
You realize this is a knock against you, right?
Not only that. But the comparison is just stupid. The knock on Wilson was size. If he had been 4 inches taller he would have been universally regarded as a top ten guy. What made him slip to the 3rd isn’t even close to the same issues as to why Allen had the potential to slip.
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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He was unquestionably Wyoming's best player and possibly their best Quarterback ever. That means little to his chances of NFL success.
Taking a a bad team and winning with it might actually say something about his chances though.
Im assuming you’re just being intentionally obtuse here though.
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18 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
This is something I've only thought about a little. Others have commented on it. There are a lot of solid players on the defense. Hughes and Lawson and Star and Kyle and Phillips. Edmunds and Zo. DBs and safeties. The defense was pretty good last season, when everyone was just learning. Now they're going to weave in the new comers, and the talent upgrade should make the defense really tough tough this season. Then Zo and Kyle will retire, but they'll be replaced. The defense in Buffalo will a force.
Totally agree. I didn’t really get excited about the D until a couple days ago when I really sat down and thought about the new members up front and then the drafted guys. It’s very apparent mcdermott wants to build a d that can take over a game and help out the young qb. It would not surprise me one bit to see a leap into the top ten in total yardage and points allowed this coming season.
Its exciting to see that aspect get better while STILL being able to make a move at trying to upgrade qb.
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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Well, Pat Shurmer could have seen the same stuff I refer to as "honest football reasons", which go beyond overall game film assessment.
Or Gunner and I could both be wrong on two counts (once about the game tape not being what the Bills or Giants liked, and once about that being a concern).
Fair enough. For me, where there is smoke there is probably fire. It seems more than a couple people had Allen graded at the top or right near the top. I’m assuming they needed to like the footage.
You say it you would be concerned about the knowledge of our FO if our guys looked at the tape and thought Allen had the better of it.... I personally am way more concerned if they thought Allen’s tape wasn’t at least comparable and still took him over Rosen.
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18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Just so's you're aware that Gunner has unusual hobbies, like watching and rewatching every freakin' game the top QB prospects play, starting the year before they come out. He was pretty harsh on Allen in his draft analysis and I don't wholly agree.
Point is, he's not your average "Biff from Tonawanda" opining off of 3 newspaper articles, 2 Youtube highlight vids and a Twitter feed.
Could still be presumptuous, of course
My take, there are some "wtf?" things in Allen's game tape to go with the jaw-dropping highlights, and at best a grade of "incomplete" (due to OL issues) for his ability to make reads and progressions. I think there are honest football reasons for the Bills to grade Allen higher than Rosen and I hope like hell he works out, but if the Bills FO liked Allen on tape in games >> Rosen I too would be worried.
I don't think that's the case though. I think they "got it going on"
And this is why I am much happier with the FO we have than the FO we see down the lake in Cleveland.
I’m aware. I’m quite certain he’s seen way more of all of them than i have. And I’d be willing to bet he knows more about the position than I do. I don’t get paid to evaluate them nor does my job hinge upon it. Isn’t it nice when somebody can admit that? Ya see what I did there?...But it doesn’t really change the foundation of my stance against gunners basic assumptions.
I mean within the last couple of hours we’ve seen another rumor of a guy like pat shurmur toying with him as the qb1 of the draft. it’s not like he knows anything about qb’s.... oh wait....
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3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Didn't they read that he only had a 56% completion rate last season? Must not have done their research.
I guess we can lump shurmur into a group with the bills brass that obviously knows nothing about football or the position.... it’s not like he just got a journeyman qb to play at a high level or anything. I trust our experts around here way more.
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Well this doesn’t jive with what the “experts” around here have been telling me over the last week.....
i guess pat shurmur doesn’t know what he’s doing either.
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4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:
I guess he's a Rosen guy and doesn't like the Allen pick, but he said it an obtuse way and gave the Bills a backhanded compliment of sorts.
right. I agree
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5 hours ago, Sky Diver said:
It was a poorly written sentence, but my interpretation was that he’s reassured because he thinks the Bills didn’t come to the conclusion that Allen was better than Rosen based on film, but they chose Allen based on other factors.
Are you Gunner Bill’s spokesmouth?
that's what I got out of it too. and I found it fairly presumptuous on gunners part.... the bills very easily could have still liked allens tape better
.... in which case the bills FO apparently has no clue and gunner again thinks the FO doomed itself with this pick.
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16 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Daniel Jeremiah had Allen as the 14th best overall player in the draft. link
Mike Mayock had Allen as his 9th best overall player in the draft. link
Matt Miller had Allen as his 7th best overall player in the draft. link
And finally, the Bills FO clearly were huge on Josh Allen. They traded up to 7 and selected him.
Can you find me a single person who has any history with the league that had Allen as a 3rd rounder? Let alone 5?
Let’s not forget kiper.... I think he’s awful but for the sake of argument....
@Fadingpain looking silly in this thread
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50 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:
Took over a 2-10 team and led Wyoming to back-to-back 8 wins seasons for the first time in 20 years and just the sixth time in the history of the 126 year old program.
Middling, tho.
uh... dude. 808 and I were discussing flacco... i'm cool with allen.
37 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Flacco is not a positive comparison. Ravens fans despise him and his ridiculous contract. He caught fire at exactly the right time which is cool and all but I'm aiming for more. They just traded back into the 1st round for a QB! They are trying to do better there.
seriously.... did anyone actually think that was a good deal? I feel like even ozzie newsome was like "crap. this guy just screwed around and won us a super bowl and I know he's not worth this sort of money but i'll look like a complete jerk if I don't pay him"
29 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:Sure. He's also 33 and coming off injury concerns. I don't dispute that you should be looking for better, but if you have him as Allen's baseline I think it's a positive.
I get you on the bolded. fair enough.... and honestly he had some nice years from like 2009-2012. but I would even argue his best seasons weren't even top ten type of years.
the guy got really really really lucky against Denver when Rahim moore went full pop warner on a horribly thrown pass back in 2012.
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On 5/3/2018 at 5:38 PM, GoBills808 said:
Yes, those are his numbers. I've also watched him play quite a bit and I'm saying he's better than you're giving him credit for. He hasn't had much to work with over the course of his career.
agree to disagree I guess.... I've watched him play plenty and saw a middling qb that could make some timely clutch throws on occasion but usually didn't win if he didn't have his defense clicking on all cylinders.
i'm not big on that going forward if that's what we are getting.
EDIT: This convo here is about flacco.
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7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
He's not a world beater but for me you aren't giving him enough credit here. Flacco's never had much to rely on as far as weapons go, I think the average age of his #1 wideout over the course of his career is something pretty ridiculous, and the Ravens' philosophy has been run-heavy for some time now. I'd be very satisfied if we peg Allen to Flacco with upside.
in flacco's ten years he's averaged 3500 yds, 20 td and 13 int a season with a career 84 rating..... in todays nfl if that's what we get out of allen then we better pray we have a top 5 defense and run game every year.
flacco has been extremely average with the luxury of some consistently awesome defenses over his career.
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7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Looks exactly like Flacco. I'd take that.
with the exception of a 4 game stretch in 2012 flacco has had an extremely average career that has heavily relied on his surrounding team being superb to win games.... I get that he won that super bowl but if allen turns out to be that sort of qb we better pray to god all the other units of our team are clicking on ALL cylinders at ALL times.
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we sure could use saviorpeterman and his "next gen" stats right now.
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26 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:
So are you going to wear his letterman jacket too? Are you going steady?
God talk?
*Good.... good talk.
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2 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:
I agree with your wife. 49 is a cool number. Even if it wasn’t seems like a silly thing to be annoyed with.
Maybe don’t wear a shirt with a 19 year old kids last name draped on your back like you’re high school sweethearts.
Maybe don’t put so much effort into bein huge d-bag on a message board about a topic that’s really not that huge of a deal.
Good talk, bruh.
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50 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:
#49 is a very unattractive number, kinda like #14 on a receiver .
Right?.... my wife thought it was silly that I was annoyed by that. I was hoping for a traditional number in the 50’s.
Josh Allen: Analytics
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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lol..... I hope not.