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14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I just wanted to expand on this a bit - and again, just talking about EJ here, not trying to make Allen comparisons.
People loved EJ as a fine young man, but we were also hopeful about EJ's potential as a QB. We forget that. Read-option was all the rage at the time, and respected QB pundits like Greg Cosell saw positives: " "When you look at Manuel, there's a lot to work with. There's size, there's arm strength, there's athleticism, and I think he can run read-option stuff," Cosell said. "There are concerns here, but then when you look at some of the positives -- stronger arm, the movement, at times he was very composed -- I'm very anxious to see where he gets drafted, because he gives you that read-option factor."
He was seen as solid (for a rookie) in two preseason performances before going out with a knee injury. (People like to remember the the hospitality tent and the London game with 3 turnovers in 3 minutes, but those were 2 years later) Everyone conveniently forgets he had 78% completions during his first 2 preseason games and hope was high that he would develop into The Man as our QB. He looked pretty dang good in his 2nd game as a rookie against Carolina, in fact 4 or so of his rookie season games were promising. He looked pretty awful in others, but that's not atypical for rookies.
I'm not questioning the judgement of people who saw him at FSU and didn't like the pick. I'm just pointing out that others loved the pick, and that the narrative that seems to be being crafted that EJM was universally held to be a sucky pick from the start given no chance to succeed by anyone, nor ever showed any promise on a football field, is false. Just like the narrative that we all loved him as a guy and hated him as a football player. It's revisionist, folks.
i'll be perfectly honest. I hated the pick when It happened.... but I was really excited for EJ after his first 2 games. he lost to the pats 23-21 in the opener and honestly easily could have won that game. I remember stevie dropping a crucial 3rd down late in that game that would have put them in scoring range and made life much harder on the pats..... and then he had the Carolina game the very next week when he slung it for 296 yds and the game winner. I honestly thought we had hit on a qb finally. I understand that was obviously really premature and foolish but his first 2 games were seriously promising.
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5 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:
I felt dirty after reading this. More pessimistic than even some of the posters on here...
The first time I saw the playoff remarks in quotes I knew he’d fit right in around here with a certain handful.
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Good lord. What did the bills ever do to this guy?
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33 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:
Tell you what.... I won't even respond to this and will give you a chance to go look up Brian Hoyer's game log from 2017 and edit your post.
As for the second point, it apparently went over your head. To answer your question, no -- no one else is making that connection except me. The reason for that is because there is such a dedicated effort around here to emphasize the mountain of "obstacles" poor ol' Tyrod had to overcome on his way to 180 yards passing every game. Miraculous!
So, I give you JG as an example of a guy who also had obstacles -- a similar set of no-name weapons, no offseason preparation, moving to the other side of the country, and playing for a bad football team overall. The offense wasn't "designed for him", he wasn't even on the team until November.
Yet, he managed to actually run a respectable passing offense.
See what I'm getting at here?
I already looked up his numbers. Which led to me saying you say silly things. He wasn’t pushing anything down the field. Stop it.
And PUH-lease. Get over yourself. Didn’t go over my head at all. Everyone knows Taylor isn’t the talent or qb that jimmy g is. JG will most likely end up being a top 5-10 qb in the nfl within the next couple of years. Nobody is claiming the same for Taylor so it’s dumb comparison.
The kicker here is that I truly don’t believe I’ll miss Taylor that much. I’ve been 100% on board with what’s going on..... it’s just that you say really ridiculous stuff to try and prove lame points.
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18 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:
Tell me who Jimmy Garappolo, Brian Hoyer, and CJ Beathard were throwing to out in SF.
Because those three seemed to find ways to "push the ball downfield".
Hell, JG didn't even start the season on that team. No OTAs, no training camp, nothing other than a month of practices and he was already putting up numbers that TT couldn't at his absolute best.
http://pfref.com/pi/share/blOtJ
JG put up a stat line of 20-33 for 334yds 1TD/1INT throwing to:
Marquise Goodwin
Kyle Juszczyk
Garrett Celek
Trent Taylor
George Kittle
Aldrick Robinson
and the game-breaker himself... Louis Murphy.
Nobody was pushing anything down the field until jimmy g stepped in. Go look at the passing numbers before he was inserted. You say really silly things sometimes.
...... and is anyone even arguing that Taylor looks like the sort of qb that JG looks like right now?
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1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Imagine if Matthews and O'leary didn't fumble in scoring position. We may have gone into halftime up 14-10 and we may have pulled back within 3 by the beginning of the 4th quarter.
but garbage time, bro.....
GARBAGE. TIME.
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5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:
Imagine if TT didn't get those two garbage time TD's. He may have finished with 16 total TD's on the year. That would have tied him with 7 games of Aaron Rodgers, Deshone Kizer of 22 INT's in 15 games fame, and Alvin Kamara, a rookie RBBC. What an illustrious group. Thank God for those 2 TD's, honestly. Cleveland may not have offered enough for us to trade him if he got matched in scoring by Kizer.
you most definitely have a certain way about you. its why I never bothered with you on prior pages and will continue to gloss over you in the future.
good talk, bruh.
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1 minute ago, Elite Poster said:
You do realize all the football HOF trustees and officers are random CEOs, Goodell, and team owners.
To think the voters are not influenced by the people that run the show is naive.
The media machine will use this as an opportunity to say "I told ya so" and those billionaires I referenced will laugh it up.
ya OKAY
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Just now, Mr. WEO said:
"at a later date, I will announce where and when I will celebrate my induction"......…
this would be PERFECT.
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3 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:
No, you just originally posted:
So you changed the story.
Scoring 1 TD when the game is still a game, and then scoring 2 TD's in the final 4 minutes down 27 points is the DEFINITION of garbage time.
But that's okay. His slight bump in passer rating to those who pore over the box score didn't save him as a Bill. And maybe Cleveland didn't watch the game and that's why they offered a third. Beane doing Beane things.
its obvious theres a lot you don't get.... or watch the first portion of that game for that matter.
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6 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:
If an organization disrespects you, you disrespect them right back.
I'm sure most of you will side with the billionaires though.
the sports reporters that vote on the HOF and decided to make him wait a bit are billionaires?
............and stop being so dramatic.
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7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Did any of you actually watch the game? There was no semblance of a run game (because the OL got dominated), but Rico refused to let it go.
With 3 minutes left in the first half Tyrod had thrown only 10 passes (7/10 for 69 yards and 1 TD). That's inexcusable when your RBs have combined for 38 yards in that same time span. In the final 3 minutes of the half he was 4/5 for 46, and Matthews fumbled on the Jets 31 yard line with a minute left. So first half he was 11/15 for 115 and 1 TD and the score was 7-10. (7.67 YPA, 117.4 Passer Rating)
2nd half started with 2 runs for 1 net yard and then an incompletion. Next drive starts with a 9 yard completion before McCoy loses 5 yards on a run. After that we're pinned deep and we run for 0, false start to put us inside our own 5, incomplete, and then a scramble just to get us out of our end zone. Next drive (now 7-24) Tyrod starts 3/3 for 39 yards before O'Leary fumbles around the Jets 30 yard line. I'll call it there. That's the drive they needed to keep the game within 10 points with a quarter to go.
At that point, he was 12/19 for 151 and a TD. That's good for 7.95 YPA and a 105.4 Passer Rating. If you're surprised that his pass attempts went up when we got further behind in the score then I'm not sure what to say. But with the increased workload in the 4th his YPA dropped some as expected with increased attempts and his passer rating went up slightly. He also finished as the teams leading rusher on just 6 carries.
Also, since none of you seemed to pick up on it, the whole point of my post was directed at the false notion that "Tyrod is not able to make a quick read under pressure". If he was truly not capable of such things, he wouldn't have been 12/19 for 151 and a TD. If he wasn't capable of making a read under pressure he may have been 6/14 for 66 yards, 0 TDs and 5 INTs.
very nice post here but you and I both know its wasted on the guys you are quoting.
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44 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said:
Down 24-7 at the start of the 4th Q and the Jest playing soft is when Tyrod did his best work, you expected anything different!
14/19 122 yds 1 TD
3 sacks and a lost fumble that lead directly to Jets TD 1 play later
9 yards rushing and 1 TD
All in 4th Q losing against a team 24-7 then 31-7 trying to run out the clock.
Where was Tyrod in the first 3 quarters?
on the ground.
Listen, i'm not one bit upset about moving on from taylor. i dont wish for him back.... but anyone that's not willing to acknowledge how putrid that O-line was in that game basically shows exactly what sort of agenda they have going on right now.
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6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I agree totally. Yes, they blitzed a lot. But they were sending 5 not 8 and the Bills were incapable of playing "hat for a hat" football. They just bullied us up front.
right. I distinctly remember a play early in that game where they sent 5 on our 5. the pocket literally enclosed around taylor in what looked like a freaking star formation and I remember thinking.... "have I ever seen a full pocket collapse around a guy that quick when it was a hat on a hat?" we aren't talking just one or 2 lineman getting pushed back. they literally backed our whole line into taylor and swallowed him up....
and then it kept happening.
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36 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
The Jets were rushing 8, no Oline could stop them. The reasons defenses don’t rush 8 is because pro QBs can make a quick throw to offset the lack of coverage. Tyrod is not able to make a quick read under pressure
this is complete BS.... The jets were constantly collapsing the pocket around taylor with just 4 and 5 guys. it was one of the worst displays of pass blocking in my recent memory.
….. and now this is the part where somebody mistakes me stating that fact as me absolutely loving tyrod and wishing he was still here...… which isn't the case btw. in case you're wondering.
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Just now, Doc said:
Yeah, not sure why Edge isn't in, but I can only assume that most of the voters think he benefited greatly from Manning.
His numbers were staggering for a good span.
Then you have a guy like gore. Really only ever elite in one season when he posted 1600 rushing. The rest just very solid over and over and over again.... now over 14,000 rushing.
I mean what do you do with a guy like that? Consistency has to count for something but he was rarely considered a top 5 back in his generation. He’s like the art monk of rb’s. Hard to deny the raw numbers
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2 hours ago, MJS said:
If McCoy gets to 12,000 plus yards it would be odd for him not to be in the HoF.
That’s not the marker it used to be though. Edge James has over 12000 in 11 seasons and is 12th all time among backs in scrimmage yds with just over 15000 and has anyone even heard a whisper of talks for him and the HOF?
Shady most definitely has some serious work ahead of him.
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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:
It does! It’s not a resort, it’s just a place people go to party.
friggin sweet parties though.
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I've had myself a crazy weekend or two there. haha.
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Just now, Chandler#81 said:
Please explain why- if he’s so great- Carolina allowed to walk.
PS He’s not
becuz they had plenty of other pieces. they knew a team in need would overpay him a bit and he wasn't quite worth it to them.
I believe we overpayed for him but I also believe he's an obvious upgrade..... becuz he will be. hands down. saying he's a poor mans Washington is an incredibly bad take. Washington was absolutely awful last year.
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20 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:
Murphy had 6 sacks through 2 seasons before being a convicted doper and just 2 PDef in 3 years. Then he blew out his ACL & MCL before the ‘Skins let him go. Maybe being a ‘Has Been’ is incorrect. Perhaps he’s a ‘Never Was’..
Lotulelie has averaged <2 tackles/game, <2.5 Sacks/yr & 1PDef/yr. I can’t believe Carolina would just let him go?.
One teams’ nasty stank is another teams’ garbage.
Progressing to a Top 20 Defense is possible, given familiarity with the scheme. Top 5 to Top 10 is a pipe dream, in my ill- informed opinion.
the fact that you are referencing stats for a space eater like star says all I need to know here. the guy was the centerpiece of that run d for years.
space eaters like him aren't paid for raw numbers. they get paid when they do their job, penetrate and eat up space for everyone else. and he's been on of the best at that since he entered the league...…. casey Hampton was a renowned and elite space eater. he averaged a mere 31 tackles a season.
like i said. ill-informed.
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8 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said:
I know, right? I mean, only just over half of Tyrod's 44 games were under 200 yards passing. (Of course, there were more than a few of those 200+ games where he was at 150 or so late in the 4th Q and padded the ol' yardage stats in garbage time, but we don't need to dig that deep.)
Passing Yards
43 games under 300 - 97.7%
38 games under 280 - 86.3%
30 games under 230 - 68.1%
23 games under 200 - 52.2%
16 games under 180 - 36.3%
7 games under 130 - 15.9%
Passing TDs
Games with 3 passing TDs: 6 - 13.6%
Games with 2 passing TDs: 7 - 15.9%
Games with 1 passing TD: 19 - 43.1%
Games with 0 passing TD: 12 - 27.2%
31 games with 1 or 0 passing TDs - 70.4%
38 games with 2 or fewer passing TDs - 86.3%
13 games with 2 or more passing TDs - 29.5%
Such a stupid and delusional post, I know -- what with using actual facts and numbers to illustrate reality. How dare I?
There was really no need for all this. You said 200 yds was a “very good” day for him while trying to reinforce a point. That was false. 200 yds a game was his average in Buffalo. I’m not happy with that. I’m totally fine with moving on from Tyrod. That doesn’t change what you said from being wrong... and sorta stupid. Sorry. Good talk, bruh.
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1 minute ago, White Linen said:
How exactly does a 5 year player become a poor mans anything of a 2 year player? This is one whack take.
Especially when the young guy was as bad as he was last year. Really really REALLY bad take.
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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:
You’re more optimistic than I am, Corta. I see Star Looneylewinski as a poor man’s Adolphus Washington and Murphy as washed up. We haven’t had any pass rush ends since Mario’s 2nd last season. Kyle’s best playing is behind him and whoever/whatever player rushes from the other side likely only hurries a few throws. I do like the way LBs are shaping up but the young guys will be exploited by great offenses. The secondary is also encouraging, but is a major injury away from being brutalized.
#NotThisYear
And the award for “the most awful and ill-informed post of the day” goes to.....
as for what the OP said. I don’t get what posters you are seeing. From what I’ve seen the majority of what people are saying is it could be a borderline top 10 unit. That’s realistic and it’s something you seem to agree with. I’m not seeing much about the D being over hyped around here honestly.
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Despite hefty contract, Bills’ Lotulelei is OK with not being a star - BNews
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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my god.... I guess I hadn't really looked back at it..... this is really really pathetic. geez.