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Bad look. Three years in a row we've ended the season in similar fashion without making it to the Super Bowl. There's some validity here... nobody wants to hear it, and any player echoing it should be embarrassed in doing so.

Spot on! This is the perfect assessment. Those guys are the guys we can thank for hopefully helping build this team TO the team that wins the Super Bowl. ...but they aren't the guys that seem capable of actually doing it. It's time to get rid of the coaching staff and gut the defense to build the offense. They won't do it, I fear... but we need to at least re-imagine this defense with new coaching on that side of the ball and a new philosophy. Bend dont break needs to be gone... replaced with an aggressive defense that makes and gives up big plays to mask the talent deficiencies we will have there.

There's validity to this, but it's a really tough sell when this current iteration has failed in similar fashion 3 years in a row. We have no idea what other teams have gone through. Sure, likely not to the level of what we have, but it also comes across as a convenient excuse. I'm sorry, it just does. Pressure makes diamonds.. but there's a flip side to that coin. What's the excuse next year? What have you seen that gives you confidence in this current staff's ability to get past Cincy/KC in the Playoffs? ....and honestly, it's a bit embarrassing to hear players admit to this.

Why would I take solace in that? Cowboys look like the NFC version of Buffalo, but without an elite QB. They are held back by coaching that Jerry Jones seems to be loyal to at the moment and they have a bunch of money tied up in good players, with only one elite guy in Micah Parsons. They lost to a team with multiple elite guys and better coaching. Same as us.

Bills were mentally exhausted and had nothing to give against the Bengals is a worthwhile excuse if this was a one-off. It is not. It's a pattern. We're just making excuses for them. The fact is this coaching staff seems to have reached it's ceiling and our roster construction is flawed - in large part - due to the HC's philosophy. It's time to make the aggressive move, but we won't, and I fear we'll be having this same conversation next year at this time.

But how do we fix that? We draft late and have next to no cap space. The only way to address this, is to take a machete to the team. I don't necessarily think that's the worst decision. Where can we free up money? Let all sizeable money FA's walk. Cut Hines. Trade Oliver. If there is a big fish out there in FA, we should shuffle the deck and free up that money to sacrifice good players (plural) to add another elite piece.

We need an aggressive DC paired with an Offensive minded HC, because at the end of the day, we will never have a Defense as loaded with high picks/FA's as this team entered the season with as long as Josh Allen is here. The Defense needs to transition to big play defense that will give up big plays from time to time as well. Clear out some of these "good, not great" contracts and pour that money into a potential difference maker, then fill in around them. Is there a monster DT available that we could pair with Von for the next two years? Would probably be worth sacrificing Edmunds and cutting/trading anyone on the Defense not named Matt Milano, Von Miller, Daquan Jones or Micah Hyde for the '23 season.

Wow... Florio absolutely nails it re: McDermott.

Love it. He said he's going back to Detroit, but he also didn't have a job like the Bills offered to him.

Bring in a new Defensive Coordinator and gut the Defense to invest heavy in the Offense this off-season. It has to happen. Let Poyer and Edmunds walk. Let Phillips walk. I'd offer Shaq Lawson a modest contract. New DC comes in with the following: DE: Von, Shaq, Rousseau, AJ, Basham DT: Jones, Oliver, Settle LB: Milano, Bernard CB: White, Elam, Benford, SLOT: Johnson, Neal S: Hyde Fill in the holes/depth with modest contract vets and Day 3 picks. ------- Use the money you would've freed up for Edmunds and go after the best OL available in FA and/or a WR if it makes sense. All Day 1 and Day 2 picks should be on the Offensive side of the ball. ------- If Oliver can bring back a 2nd Rounder, I'd move him as I can't envision a scenario where he gets paid after his 5th year option ends.

Always going to be an issue I fear. Maybe we retain Dorsey, but we've got two outcomes: -He has another meh season and we let him go -He has a great season and becomes a HC Then we go through this all over again. Not something Burrow, Mahomes or Lawrence will ever have to deal with as long as Reid, Taylor, Peterson are the architects of their Offense as HC.

True. For all the talk of process and culture, would McDermott still be our coach if not for Josh Allen? No chance.

I've reached the end of my patience with McDermott, but I don't think there's any chance he's not here next year.. and I just have to hope he's capable of self-reflection and growth as a coach. I'd be shocked if he's allowed to run it back with Dorsey and Frazier. One, or both, have to go. IMO, definitely Frazier.. and I go either way on Dorsey just because it was his first year. Then next year he's coaching on a warm seat.

Having Von Miller wouldn't have mattered one bit yesterday. Absolutely insane to see Burrow get rid of the ball so quick and every. time. have someone wide open. I just laughed maniacally when we blitzed Burrow deep on our own side on 3rd and 5, blitzer came flying through, and all Burrow had to do was simply toss it five yards to Chase with White playing 10 yards off coverage. Amazing.

Playoffs are what matters and our Defense has failed miserably against KC(2) & CIN these past 3 years.

Not just us... WGR personalities are echoing the same sentiments. Openly saying that all options should be on the table this off-season.

Bills need to copy the Chiefs moving forward. Invest heavy on Offense. Hope Von can be our Chris Jones for the next two years when comes back and fill in with some good players/cheap contracts. Chiefs Defense without Chris Jones is rough. They have some guys like Karlaftis (Rousseau), Bolton (Milano), McDuffie (Elam) etc.., but they rely on Spags to elevate them beyond what they are. We have a defensive head coach.. if McD can't do that, he has no reason to be here.

Humble and Hungry Bring in character guys Draft team leaders from college programs A heavy defensive focus when it comes to investment

Frazier is married to his scheme. Even when the blueprint (Tua, Burrow) dictates otherwise. Hes engrained in this defense with guys who have been here a long time. It’s why massive changes need to occur on defense. And the defense will likely be much less talented next year .. but I wouldn’t be surprised if they perform better in big moments (should we move off Frazier and make personnel changes) I think a lot of us are all saying a similar thing, when we know the problem is McDermott’s philosophy/culture may have reached its ceiling. We can point to changes around the edges, but the problem is him and his philosophy. He’s a good coach. Someone else would hire him in a second… but if they get to where we are, they’ll have the same problems.

Josh is way down on the list of problems yesterday, but he wasn’t good. Missed Diggs early on a big play and then threw a bunch of no-chance balls deep to him. More fire. I’d applaud Diggs if he took a flamethrower to the team … someone needs to do it. Maybe if players speak up, our owner will be moved to make some tough decisions. He has that famous AFC CG picture in KC, and two years in a row, we’ve gone backwards. How do you think he should feel?

How does a backup OL dominate a healthy DL? Thats more than just Jimmy’s and Joe’s. Why is Frazier playing off coverage and zone when the blueprint to slow down Burrow is press man and disrupt his quick rhythm throwing? Theyre more talented than us. They aren’t 27-10 in a game that had zero life to it better.

-Said on Howard and Jeremy this morning Could not describe the McDermott problem any better. Not just that this is his mantra.. and it’s been corny since the jump, but that it drips down to the entire team, mentality and roster construction. Much of the game is mental. You have to believe you can win. I did not see a team that believed it could win yesterday. Then you look at who we draft, sign, build with. Character guys. Team leaders. That’s great. Where were they against KC three years ago? Where were they yesterday? They got pushed in by guys who are meaner, tougher and more arrogant. Would we ever bring in a Joe Mixon? Kadarius Toney? Tyreek Hill? Humble and Hungry … Still hungry because the teams with more dawg are going to continue taking your food from you until that mentality is gone. …and it stems from one man and one vision.. It built a team good enough to contend, not good enough to win, and that statement above says. it. all.

Makes me think of Kadarius Toney. “He won’t fit the culture.” “Can’t have a guy like that here” You know who does want him? The Chiefs. Another in a long line of non-culture fits playing for teams we can’t beat when it matters.

I thought taking a beat, sleeping on it.. maybe I’d be a bit more chill. I’m even more frustrated this morning. Sweeping changes need to be made. Three years. Three brutal losses in the Playoffs and no Super Bowl appearances. The current iteration of the Bills team needs to be over. That goes beyond just letting guys walk. It means trading some guys and letting go of coaches.. I don’t want McDermott here anymore, but understand he likely will.. so make him step up and bring in new coordinators.

I do agree that the team never got their focus back after the first Cincy game. People forget how much of a struggle the Pats game was if not for two Hines returns. The Miami game, we all thought was a one-off, was probably more a function of the team being in trouble. Then obviously yesterday was an absolute pathetic performance .. worst of the year.