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Defensive line after Camp, then after suspended players return?
SCBills replied to Mikie2times's topic in The Stadium Wall
This DL is so tricky given the suspensions. I feel like if we’re going to cut Jones, it will come this Summer so we can free up his money to use before the season. But they already want to slow play Walker due to his back injury recovery. We have no idea if Dewayne Carter is worthy of playing time at 1T. Ogubjobi will probably be a 1T/3T hybrid guy when he comes back week 7. So who are our starting 1T’s if we cut Jones? Walker, who’s coming off a back injury and Carter making the switch to 1T? Could always sign/trade of a true 1T as well. Same dilemma with AJ. We don’t want to run Bosa into the ground. Jackson & Rousseau could probably start for us as a strong run defense pair of DE’s. But what do we think of Solomon? Is he worthy of DE4 until Hoecht comes back? Also better hope there’s no injuries if we cut/trade AJ before Week 7. -
Elijah Moore, Gabe Davis.. give me that type of WR and I think a lot of us who complain about WR are happy. We have an elite QB, elite OL, above average RB’s, likely an above average pair of TE’s once Kincaid gets right. Josh Palmer is an upgrade over what Amari Cooper now is. Just need another WR3/4 type guy as a hedge against Coleman not making a jump and Samuel staying injured on & off all year.
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Linebacker and Safety are weaker than Wide Receiver, imo.. but when you factor in the importance of WR, compared to LB/S, it makes it a more interesting conversation and those 3 are clearly the spots well all keep our eyes on. Every other position group is proven high level or heavily invested in recent offseasons. Personally, I don’t care much about Joe Andreeson’s story if he has to be counted on, and with Bernard undersized and constantly banged up, Milano older and constantly banged up, that leaves Williams as an important depth piece and then a bunch of “who knows” Safety is wait and see. If Cole Bishop makes a jump, I’m not concerned about him and Rapp at all, outside injury.. in which case I hope Forrest or Hancock are something because Hamlin ain’t it.
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I think having “some” money was part of it. The other part was being loaded with draft capital for a team who made the playoffs. I agree, we all thought coming out of a reset would mean an actual big fish or two, but that wasn’t meant to be given the Crosby/Garrett situations. The draft capital is the bigger part. Getting that two from the Diggs trade essentially got us two guys we probably liked at 30, plus Landon Jackson. A lot of Day 3 picks allowing us to trade up for Walker and then take depth pieces for the secondary. It does honestly feel like a revamp. Yea, the offense feels familiar, because it is, but the only place we really even wanted to upgrade was at 1 WR spot. Everywhere else is elite (QB/OL) above average (RB) or betting on development (WR/TE). The Defense could end up having a new depth safety, new depth nickel, new starting corner, two new depth corners, and the addition Joey Bosa, Larry Ogunjobi, Michael Hoecht, Pick 41, Pick 72 and Pick 109 to a DL that lost no one of concern.
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Thought Jeremy White handled it really well. It’s not his place to fight with the GM. He respectfully defended his commentary and carried on with the conversation. Beane might be the 3rd best GM in the NFL.. problem is, the two guys ahead of him keep winning Super Bowls. This year will go a long way in either closing that gap or potentially exposing him as someone who might actually waste Josh Allen. I think he knows this is a big year.. Hes betting on his defensive overhaul and recent high draft picks in Cole Bishop, Keon Coleman and Dalton Kincaid. He's betting on extending in-house guys he believes in. He’s betting on recent FA signings in Curtis Samuel, Joey Bosa, Michael Hoecht and Larry Ogunjobi. There could be alot of foundational pieces for Allen’s second window or we could continue to chase the white whale.
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Post-Suspension QB Allen-Trubisky (2) RB Cook-Johnson-Davis (3) FB Gilliam (1) TE Kincaid-Knox-Hawes (3) WR Shakir-Palmer-Coleman-Samuel-FA (5) OL Dawkins-Brown-RVD-Grable-McGovern-Edwards-Torrence-Anderson-VPG (9) DT Walker-Carter-Oliver-Sanders-Ogunjobi (5) DE Bosa-Rousseau-Jackson-Hoecht-Epenesa-Solomon (6) LB Bernard-Milano-Williams-Ulofoshio-Andreesen (5) CB Benford-Hairston-White-Strong (4) NCB Johnson (1 + Hancock) S Rapp-Bishop-Hamlin-Forrest-Hancock (5) K Bass (1) P Camarda (1) LS Ferguson (1) PR Codrington (1) *We cut Dane Jackson, Cam Lewis & Daquan Jones. *Sign/Trade for another WR. *Van Demark vs Lundt for final OL spot. **Not sure of DL timing given suspensions for first 6 weeks & Beane open about ramping up Walker slow due to back injury recovery **Linebacker looks weak to me given injury history of Bernard/Milano and unproven depth after Williams **Id be suprised if we didn’t add another WR to round out the room
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Bills 5th Round Pick (#2) : Jackson Hawes - TE - Georgia Tech
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
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Bills 5th Round Pick (#2) : Jackson Hawes - TE - Georgia Tech
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
I think Georgia Tech lined him up all over the place as a blocker. I could see a world where we need to free up a roster spot for the DL potentially and do that by making Jackson Hawes our FB/TE3. He’s an absolute unit. For what we do, this was a great draft pick and he’s probably a 99% lock for this roster. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
We have to operate cap-wise where we can. And Curtis Samuel, last year, was the level of WR we could pay. Similarly, Josh Palmer this year is the level of WR we can pay. I don’t know what else Beane needs to see from Samuel to continue this “when healthy..” view of his ability. Because, yea, when healthy Samuel did look good last year, but to nobody’s surprise, Samuel was hurt most of the year. I think Beane knew there would be vet WR’s available via trade before the deadline and with a guy like Cooper being had for a 3rd with Cleveland eating cap, he was right. He probably hoped Kincaid would blossom and Samuel would stay healthy. Neither happened - both dealt with injuries. Here we are in a similar position this year. We brought in a bunch of WR’s for 30 visits. He knows we need another guy to round out the room given the injury history of Samuel and a lot of hope that Keon & Kincaid develop this year. He won’t say it, because obviously that wouldn’t be smart, but his actions pre-draft indicate he knows. And again.. we’re not asking for a WR1. Just a guy who can be a deep threat and provide insurance for Samuel if he can’t stay on the field, so we’re not down to 3 WR’s and Practice Squad guys. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
Because he knew it wasn’t good enough last year but we were cap strapped in a reset year and his “everybody eats” mantra was enough to put a happy face on a glaring issue until the HOU/BAL games happened. My guess.. Jones may get cut post 6/1 and we use that money towards a WR that becomes available. -
Bills 4th Round Pick : Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
Deone Walker was the biggest swing Beane made to potentially turn our DL into what Philly had last year. Theres a reason we had to trade all the way up to 109 to jump Philly for him. If the back issues persist.. the move is a flop and the guy we get is what Joe Marino hated on film last year. A stiff, top-heavy big DT that is largely unproductive at the NFL level. If the back issues heal up and the Bills bet correct on his medicals.. we have a Jalen Carter type player. Look at his ‘23 film. It’s insane. -
Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
That was a wild post I I absolutely LOVE what Beane has done to the Defense this off-season. He navigated the Draft beautifully, especially when it came to knowing when to move up and how far we needed to go to jump specific teams in on our guy (SF/Sanders & PHI/Walker) Im expecting a Super Bowl caliber Defense with the high end additions and strong depth added to, specifically, the DL and CB rooms. I just want a solid WR3 type added to the room so Allen isn’t reliant on a 4 man WR room where 1 of them is always injured lol. I guess we’ll just have to try not to uncontrollably seethe in our anger over this wild ask. -
Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
KC drafted Royals to a room similar to ours Something like that would have shut us up But we didn’t.. so be it, but there will be opportunities to add another WR this Summer/Fall and Beane is gaslighting when he pretends he’s not concerned about WR We didn’t bring in a bunch of speed WR’s on 30 visits for no reason -
Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
Our WR4 has never shown he can stay healthy. Two of the four WR’s are the potential of Keon Coleman in year 2 and the potential of Josh Palmer in this offense. Shakir, a slot WR, is the only reliable thing we have going into the year at the position. Adding another WR is also an unknown, but I’d have much less angst if Curtis Samuel wasn’t one of the 4 WR’s we’re relying on. We just want one more NFL caliber WR3 type added to the room. This isn’t a wild ask. Allen, very clearly, enters the season right now with the worst receiver room out of Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar and Hurts. And you can say look at our TE’s too.. ok.. look at theirs. I feel like I’m going crazy when people wonder why we just want one more non-PS level WR added to the room. -
Bills 6th Round Pick (#1) : Dorian Strong - CB - VA Tech
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
It’s not that we think the Offense is a problem.. it’s more-so that we’re worried Allen plays through pretty serious injuries almost every year due to us relying on him being so elite that we can just do whatever at WR. Now, some of that is just who he is. But it’s a year to year league and we saw Allen get mauled in a two game stretch, in a year he won MVP, where WR was the main culprit. We traded for Cooper and either because of, or by coincidence, started to figure things out. But the “we need a WR” crowd isn’t even asking for some big time player. Me, personally, I’d even be ok with this WR room if Gabe Davis was odd man out in Jax and we brought him back. Just give me another WR3 type so Allen’s room isn’t just 4 guys: Shakir, the potential of Keon and the potential of Palmer with our 4th WR being a guy who hasn’t proven he can stay healthy. I do love this pick though, and Beane crushed the Draft Defensively. Theres just one piece missing.. a speed or deep threat WR. -
Wide Receiver Train Full Speed Ahead- CHOO CHOO!
SCBills replied to Pete's topic in The Stadium Wall
I’m convinced we’re not done at WR. Beane can say he’s good with Coleman, Shakir, Palmer, oft-injured Samuel and our PS guys all he wants.. I know that’s not true. We brought in a bunch of the same type of WR as Top 30 visits for a reason. It’s because we know we’re missing that skillset. Burrow, Hurts get otherworldly weapons. Lamar gets Henry and a WR room full of high draft picks in Zay Flowers, Rashad Bateman a recent 4th in Tez Walker and a vet in Hopkins. Mahomes has a similar WR room to BUF in Rice, Brown, Worthy, Juju and they add Royals. We know, and Beane knows, Allen deserves to have, at least, another NFL caliber WR added to this room. -
Buffalo Bills Consensus Draft Grades
SCBills replied to Victory Formation's topic in The Stadium Wall
It’s a monster Defensive Draft where Beane likely snaked a DT from both SF and then PHI by jumping them and taking Sanders & Walker. He read the board correctly both times. Love the double dip of Hairston and Strong. A playmaker corner and a perfect scheme fit guy. Landon Jackson is just a dude… high floor, high ceiling. Depth Safety/NCB to potentially beat out Cam Lewis. A+ grade for the Defensive side. On Offense, they probably asked Kromer who he liked at that spot and took him. Fine by me. Took arguably the best blocking TE in the Draft. Makes complete sense given the offense we run. Late flyer on a speed guy. Offense grade.. C- I don’t care what Beane says, or what fans try to convince themselves of. He knows, and we know, we need more at WR. A 7th Round throwaway pick to address that is the literal least he could do. A+ for the Defense and C- for the Offense = B+ Overall -
YUP Walker - Size and movement skills (assuming back injury is healed) Oliver - Explosive Sanders - Ultraviolence & power All 3 of their long term investments at DT have freaky traits. Carter has some burst, but he needs to make a big jump this offseason to get on the field once Ogunjobi comes back.. and that’s assuming Jones is a potential cut.
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Bills 4th Round Pick : Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
They moved to 109 for him and immediately after the Eagles took a DT, followed by another DT going two picks later. Lots of people speculating that Walker is the exact type of DL that Philly would take and make everyone look dumb for letting drop. Beane has been pretty on point potentially jumping SF and PHI for his two DT’s. -
Bills 4th Round Pick : Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
Walker’s ‘23 tape is filthy … like RD1 draft pick filthy. Lots of love from national media and draft analysts for this pick (and the Bills draft in general). -
Rashee Rice, Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown and Juju Smith Schuster is more proven than Shakir, Coleman, Palmer and Samuel. They also have had Kelce, who up until last year, changes everything. We’ve never had that guy. Diggs was not even that.
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My hope is we did a ton of work on Bond and think he’ll be there later and feel comfortable taking him. I don’t think that’s the case.. but I can hope.
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New guys in the mix though. Babich with a year under his belt and likely more say.. and they brought in some really respected assistant D coaches.
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Beane absolutely crushing it when it comes to reading the board. Traded up to 41 as DL flying off the board. Get Sanders. A guy SF was high on at 43. SF takes Collins. Trades up to 109 for Deone Walker. Philly takes a DT two picks later, another DT comes off right after.
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Bills 4th Round Pick : Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky
SCBills replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
Have to think Daquan Jones could be a cut candidate if they want some money this summer. If not, Walker/Jones is your 1T rotation, with Oliver/Sanders at 3T. Ogunjobi can play both when he comes back. Carter becomes the wait and see guy. Already discussing moving him to 1T, so he better come correct this camp.