BigDingus

It's crazy that we keep getting rated at the bottom of "best/most supportive NFL fan bases" lists each year because of the stupid metrics they use. We're a team that hasn't made the playoffs going on 18 years, have horrible weather like this, and still sell out most games (or have far more people than we should willing to sit through crap like this past game). Yet somehow these lists keep popping up of Best Fan Bases and the Bills (along with most small market teams) are near the bottom. That just shows their requirements for basing these rankings are horribly flawed. Emory University Study - Bills ranked 16th (Top 5: Cowboys, Patriots, Eagles, Giants, Steelers) - https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/2017/06/17/nfl-fan-base-and-brand-rankings-2017/ ^ That's the "official" study that was widely circulated and reported on by NFL.com, ESPN, CBS Sports, Yahoo! and every other outlet.

I'd be interested to see how much profit the Bills take in each year and where it comes from. As the cap keeps going up, it seems like smaller markets should find it harder & harder to compete, as they don't take in nearly as much revenue as the big city teams do. I know there's revenue sharing, and the TV deals are extremely lucrative, but how does a team like Buffalo with a small market & fanbase afford to spend so much money on players in the future when it hits $200 million and above? Once they spend that much, how much is there left over for all the other costs of operations, coaching staff, scouts, front office personnel, trainers, regular employees, upkeep costs, stadium maintenance, property tax, facilities, marketing, etc.? Maybe NFL teams like us, the Titans, the Jags, or New Orleans make more money than I realize, but it still seems like eventually we won't be able to keep pace. Edit: Well, I just looked into a tiny bit of it, and the Bills are dead last in terms of operating profit, and 2nd to last in total yearly revenue (we bring it $352 million yearly, netting $53 million in profit). Sadly, we're also valued at dead last at $1.6 billion, just under the Lions at $1.7 billion Increasing the cap $7-10 million a year is going to quickly eat into that, as I know there's a minimum you HAVE to spend towards the cap each season. Even teams with smaller markets are pulling in more than us. https://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/list/#tab:overall

I really think by the end of next season you'll be thinking something completely different. Mahomes is going to be good. I can pretty much guarantee it from everything that he was in college, to be coached by Andy Reid, to having a year to sit behind Alex Smith & learn all he can, and from everything that's been reported about him in practice. The guy is legit. Not sure when he sees play as a starter, but once he has a full season under his belt, a lot of teams are going to wish they targeted him in the draft.

What's that supposed to mean? He's stated that somewhere before? I'm pretty sure 99% of owners WANT a dome, it's just a matter of affording the construction of a domed stadium. And just because it's an indoor stadium, doesn't necessarily mean it'll be one of those massive palaces that Jones, Blank & Kroenke like. Lucas Oil Stadium (Colts) cost $856 million (adjusted for inflation), Ford Field (Lions) cost $696 million, NRG Stadium (Texans) cost $490 million (Man...Texas is awesome), and University of Phoenix Stadium (Cardinals) cost $556 million. Problem is a lot of owners want to go ALL-OUT and put the nicest, most luxurious and absolute best of everything in these stadiums. The box seats are of huge importance, so they make them as flashy and prestigious looking as possible to attract as much money as possible. We could feasibly build a fixed or retractable roof stadium if they were smart with their money and didn't feel the need to one-up the last palace built. I know luxury suites are important, but New Era Field only has like 60 or so executive suites right? They wouldn't have to add a ton more, as they know their audience isn't primarily made up of a bunch of rich businessmen or upper-class white collar people. And I'd think the Pegula's would be financing the stadium privately (with possible small assistance from the county), so they'd want to make sure it was economical.

Taylor's set to make $18 million next year... I don't think the Bills want to be on the hook for that kind of money for the production we're getting. Very unlikely a team will trade for him anyway.

Didn't they say he was 11 of 21 all time kicking in Buffalo? I believe they said that when he was lining up for the 43 yard extra point, but they were referring to FG's. So make it 11 of 22 now (as I assume they included the one he missed earlier). Adam Vinatieri being a 50% FG kicker in Buffalo is pretty nutty to think about. He either just has bad days playing here, or he just has the worst luck ever & always ends up playing us in terrible weather. Yeah, that's pretty much the gist of what the guy in the video is saying without specifically mentioning a dome. Basically saying the game looks too sterilized & perfect all the time, and the presentation is so doctored up it hardly resembles the game as it used to be.

Considering the Chiefs gave up a 1st round pick for the following year, and the 27th pick + a 3rd rounder in that draft just to move up to #10, I'd assume we'd have to give up even move up to the 2nd or 3rd overall pick. As of now, Cleveland picks #1...and they're 50/50 on drafting a QB with that pick. The Giants are #2, and they're DEFINITELY going QB. Our best bet may be the Colts at #3, as Luck will be returning next year (I know there's rumors saying it's all mental & the Colts might not want him, but I don't believe them). Our next best shot would be the 49ers at #4 unless they keep winning more games and move up the charts with the Broncos or the Browns (again...they have two 1st round picks) in that spot. Buffalo is currently sitting at #15 and #21 (Chiefs spot). The #1 pick is worth 3000 points. The #2 pick is worth 2600 points. The #3 pick is worth 2200 points. The #4 pick is worth 1800 points. Lastly, the #5 pick is worth 1700 points. The Bills two picks are worth 1050 & 800 respectively, so 1850 combined. That's good enough to move up to #4 or #5, but not enough to move to the top 3. If we throw in the 47th pick in round 2, that's an additional 430, bumping the total to 2,280, just enough to snag the #3 pick. It all depends on what teams want to play ball, and how many want a QB, as well as what other teams may be offering them. We could send both 1st rounders, a 3rd, and a 2nd in 2019, and I believe that would get things done.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-90-colts-bills-game-023135073.html This feels like the most recognition the team has got in ages. Even when we're on win streaks to start off the season, the attention seem superficial. This time though people are still talking about this game like it's some all-time classic. I can't go online without seeing yet another meme made out of it, or another cool story that came from it (like Bills players helping fans who had cars stuck in the snow). Really entertaining to keep reading & watching more cool coverage of this game. Seems football fans around the country are just fascinated by it.

So really the easiest way would just be hoping that somehow the Ravens choke to one of those teams they should beat, and then whatever happens with the Chiefs & Chargers would determine the rest?

But I don't get what the point is and even saying that... The best QB on this roster by what metric? That he's not a 5th round rookie who has a combined total of 1 game under his belt? Well I sure hope so...He's a 7 year veteran and 3 year starter... But what good does that say about him? We KNOW who Tyrod is. 100% up and down. We KNOW he won't try to win us any games if we ever fall behind. You act like you know the QB Peterman is when no matter what you say, we just don't. He was absolutely horrendous in 1 half of 1 game. We know he tries to get the ball to Benjamin as much as he can, has a quick release, and throws downfield. That's it. We are under no illusions that we're a SB contender. So why not try to go with the guy who clearly TRIES to play the QB position instead of the RB in disguise who will most certainly be nothing more than who he has always been?

I said the Fish game was better, as I confirmed you were right...it was his actual best game. But that's was it. You used his BEST game to one-up his SECOND BEST game. That's it. His two best games in a nutshell. So over the body of work we've seen, he has 1 performance in a loss that's pretty good, and another performance in a loss that's actually good. Do you know how laughable it is to hold up 1 game of 300 yards (that took OT to achieve) and say "See, he's good!" when you have career journeymen put up those numbers multiple times over their careers? And although Brady is a HOFer, he AVERAGES 300 yards a game at 40... Let that sink in for a moment. And 3 passing TD's one time in his life? How is that impressive again? JP Losman had multiple 300 yard games and multiple 3 TD games... Do we hold up those as if he was somehow a decent QB? Do we say "look at his best game ever, followed by his second best game ever!" and then try to pretend that's even semi-indicative of the kind of player he was? No. So to pretend Tyrod has a history of this, or some great track record is ridiculous. You are right, I'm done "acknowledging the good." It's too few and far between, and outliers aren't the norm. If you want, you can ignore his two sub-100 yard passing games this season as outliers too, but you're still left with a guy who averages 160 passing yards, and 1 TD a game. What's to acknowledge there?

I remember 2 things far more in that game. 1) The halftime FG kick debacle, and 2) Robert Woods making huge plays all game long, having a career defining game. I do remember Tyrod doing well, but when Russell Wilson is on the other side having an average day, yet still playing better than Tyrod, it doesn't stand out as much. He threw for only 7 less yards but otherwise played better across the board. He had 2 passing TDs, no interceptions, 11 YPA (as opposed to 7.6), also had a rushing TD, and took 1 less sack (4 instead of 5). He's a fantastic player, and Tyrod did his best Russell Wilson performance, but it just showed the disparity between the 2 when Wilson wasn't even at his best and still putting on a performance.

Thanks, that makes far more sense now. It'd probably help if between CBS, NFL.com, ESPN, and NBC (and the other outlets) could get their playoff seating right & explain tiebreakers better. Half of them were still showing the Ravens this morning as the 6th seed, and even tonight on MNF they showed that as well. Super confusing.

Oh, so another game they lost... And his one game throwing for 3 TDs in his career, as well as the only time he broke 300 due to having OT lol. I guess his 3-20 all-time record in games the Bills go down by even a single point in the 4th quarter shows how he just puts the team on his shoulders and wills them to victory right? It's still amusing you throw out his best game EVER, as a defense for his second best game EVER, and use that as if it proves anything about his play as a 7 year vet & 3 year starter. Josh McCown has had better games than those...Rookies new to the league have better games than those. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your hopes & dreams. Dream on...

Yeah, we lost. And that was the BEST Tyrod has ever played before or since. 289 yards, 1 passing TD, 1 INT and 1 rushing TD. It's funny that stands out as some fantastic achievement on his resume, when that would be like an above average game for most any "good" QB. We put a whopping 25 points up, so yeah, I guess that's better than the 3 we've been getting.

Is there no way to install a heated field or something? Or at least heated lines so you can see where you are on the field? Lol I'm just wondering if that's even something that can be done...

So we DO want the Chiefs to win the division is what you're saying? Trying to figure out who would be better wining the West makes my head hurt.

I'm not happy with a lot of the in-game decisions he's made, and the Dareus trade was a real head-scratcher at that point in the season, but I'm fine with him as the coach for now. I really don't want to see another new coach here for at least another 2 years. We need some damn stability for once.

Even the nicest of articles discussing the Bills failures on defense express how Tyrod & the offense are royally screwing them. That's not debatable. When the defense is on the field for 6 straight mins getting pounded, the first thing they need is rest. Then they need to regroup & try to figure out what the opponent is doing scheme-wise & how to stop it. But before they even sit on the bench, they're being trotted back out there as the offense already went 3 & out and punted.... Yeah, great way to help your guys out. There are games where our offense is only on the field for 18 minutes compared to the opponent being out their for 42 minutes! Please try to say the ineptitude of Tyrod & Co. aren't partially to blame!

Do good QB's throw for under 100 yards in any game they're not injured? How about multiple times a season? Do good QB's lead only 1 TD drive in the 1st quarter all season? Do good QB's that have been in the league for 7 years have ZERO 300+ yard passing games? Do good QB's lead the league in 3 & outs? Do good QB's have 3-20 records when going down by a single point in the 4th quarter? Who cares if he throws a couple bombs a season... Those receivers don't put up big numbers or anything, so it's not consistent. Sammy Watkins is the only receiver under Tyrod to ever break 1,000 yards, and he only BARELY did it with 1048. He only throws to guys downfield who are open on all sides of the ball by a mile. Do good QB's throw 2 yard dump pass after 2 yard dump pass on 3rd & long every time? Blame Dennison all you want, just like you guys blamed Hackett & blamed Roman, but it's up to the players to execute. He has options, but CHOOSES to go for the outlet pass as his PRIMARY option. Dennison doesn't force him to ignore his reads and dump to the RB every play...nor does Dennison make him hold onto the ball and not see open receivers. Dennison also doesn't make him throw it behind people, at their feet, or 10 yards over their head. And don't even dare say Tyrod doesn't get 300 yard games because we're a run based offense, and he doesn't get many passing attempts...Such a myth & disregard for facts it's ridiculous. He'd have more passing attempts if he was on the field more! You know why he's not? Because he doesn't even try to throw to the 1st down marker on 3rd down! He can't get attempts when he goes 3 & out drive after drive and is stuck sitting on the bench. The only teams that tell their fans they are a run-based offense that relies on defense & field position are the teams without a good QB! It's by necessity, not by choice. All the coaches we've had, and all the coordinators that call these plays HAVE to try to focus on the run because they know how limited Tyrod is. He simply cannot execute when called upon

I feel like there are going to be a LOT of raging people after next Sunday... with talk about winning the division popping up (even as a hypothetical), you're just being set up for massive disappointment. The Patriots are the exact opposite of choke artists. If this were the Bills we were talking about who were currently at 10-3 & the Patriots were at 7-6, then sure, I could see them choking the last 3 games & losing the division. But we're talking about the f'ing Patriots! They've won 5 Super Bowls & been to 7 under Brady & Belichick...all in the era of Free Agency! Even if they were on the ropes, they would gut out the necessary wins. The Bills on the other hand get the bottom yanked out from under them all the time...so yeah, I could see them choking away a division lead late in the season.

A lot of people say that's how he is in real life. Just a cool, nice guy who's surprisingly down to earth. They say he's literally the "anit-Peyton Manning" in that way. Peyton looks like the "Aw shucks" guy on TV, enjoys the limelight, wants to be loved and is always shown with a great sense of humor joking around. But behind the scenes he's a lot more distant and doesn't want to be bothered. Brady however, he doesn't really care about the media portrayal, but he's super nice to fans, has a good sense of humor in real life, and isn't stuck up at all. Still hate him as a player, but there's something to be said for how people appear in the media, and how they are in real life.

So wait, on tonight's game they brought up an info graphic of the playoff standings (this was late in the 3rd or early in the 4th), that once again showed the Bills not in 6th seed... Then the announcers talked about the Ravens being in that position, followed by discussing the Bills & the others. Wtf is going on... ESPN's own nationally televised game doesn't have updated info? No... no you don't.

That's some crazy commitment too. After a game in freezing temperatures, high winds, blizzard-like snow, etc. he then goes home to get into a cold tub and ices down to try & get ready for the next game. Damn...I would've hit the hot tub first, and nothing would've come before that happened.

You hope "prime time Tyrod" shows up? We were on prime time against the Jets a few weeks ago...that didn't turn out so well.