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If the 4th one was our 1st one, we'd have won. It really gets in your head when you start losing Super Bowls. As soon as Thomas fumbled, it was like the air went out of the team. That "here we go again" feeling.

Don't forget Mahomes & Kelce in every other commercial! I respect KC. I respected the Pats, too. I'm just getting annoyed w/ the state of this board. I don't really come here to lavish praise on the Chiefs all of the time. Some discussion is fine, but it's bordering on obsession these days.

It's way over the top. We didn't post this much about the Patriots when they ran the division for 2 decades. I almost feel like this is a KC board, between the worship & some of their fans taking over the conversations (and literally within days of winning their 2nd consecutive, which I will never understand, like ever). Used to be a good safe space for a Bills homer like me to post. Kinda miss those days.

KC worship & KC paranoia are getting pretty carried away on this board. I get that they have been a nemesis in the playoffs, but some fans are getting way over the top.

I watched it once - it is excellent. I can not watch it again. Maybe if we eventually win one it would be less painful, but I won't go near it now. We might have won 2 or 3 if we got that 1st one. It was already in their heads to not be Denver by the 2nd one, and I remember Madden saying that it seemed like the Bills wanted to win "too much." Never should have come down to Norwood in the 1st - quite a few missed tackles on that LONG drive the Giants had in the 2nd half. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Losing a Super Bowl is the hardest loss in sports, and we did it 4 consecutive years.

Sounds good to me. Much better than "it's hard to win in this league" or something like that.

I could see Elam emerging if he goes into the season fully healthy. He has more talent than some fans think, imo.

I've provided facts all over this thread. Every time I do, you move the goalposts. It's a repetitive pattern, and it has gotten boring for me.

But my opinion is BASED in facts. Who said they don't matter?

My conclusion in the last post I made is final, and irrefutable. Everything else is just fluff.

Mahomes has had a much better situation, from the start. It's cool, though. It doesn't mean Mahomes is a bad QB or anything.

The bolded seems to be the go-to as some sort of "proof." But I don't think the bolded is accurate. I've heard plenty of analysts say that Allen has to carry his team more than any other top QB, and that Reid is one of the best coaches of all time. And analysts correctly hyped the Chiefs '23 defense, all through the season & playoffs.

My entire life as a fan has been "next season - that's the one!" The biggest difference now is that it really could be, and can be for at least another decade or so. I mean, I was saying the same when we picked up Orton, and were having debates about Losman vs. Edwards. At least now, we know we'll be in the mix. It's not some vain, crazy hope.

And it's on another team's board (which already & annoyingly has overflowing praise for Mahomes), literally within days of their team winning a 2nd straight SB.

I thought it was a great move at the time, and it was pretty universally praised from what I remember. But for sure, it did NOT work out. Really, the worst-case scenario happened, with an aging player who relies on speed getting a bad knee injury. It's hard to think about what that money could have done to improve this team. Really hoping Miller can have an impact this season, and at least justify some of the money he's getting paid.

I'd agree if "would" was "could." Probably would have been a good, close game - 50/50. But agreed w/ the general sentiment that fans are too assumptive about how that game might have gone.

Who said it was "all" Andy Reid?

This is like a cherrypicking festival. Allen throws more picks than Mahomes, for sure. But he also had 44 TD's to Mahomes' 27 TD's this past year. That's more the kind of QB Allen is - he takes more risks, but makes more big plays. And how is his playoff ratio of TD's to INT's? And Allen was admittedly bad in last year's Cincy game. But why do you choose that game, but fail to mention Mahomes' meltdown in the 2nd half against Cincy in the game right after 13 seconds? Beyond that, you keep bringing up how KC stole a SINGLE PLAY from the Bills. No one ever said the Bills staff has zero creativity. Singling out 1 play for any kind of coaching comparison is the height of cherrypicking, and completely unscientific. My assertion is based on a much more broad overview of MANY stats and factors that make up a more true comparison between both QB's, both coaching staffs and both teams as a whole. It's a much more holistic view. Ergo, the facts actually DO support my assertion.

So why does the world-class McDermott defense disappear in the playoffs, against more teams than the one led by the immortal Mahomes? It's a head-scratcher.

Mirrored by every analyst & pundit? In the age of hot-take sports media? The fun thing on that is, we can all experience the joy of watching those narratives turn on a dime over the next decade+. I'm not sure if Allen would have gotten 6 for the Pats, but who knows. He might have gotten 7 or 8. And thank you, btw. It's awesome that I can have my own opinion about Josh Allen & the Bills - on a Bills board.

Nah. Except for the Ravens playoff game, the D has underachieved in the playoffs. You present a lot of stats out of context.

The Fitz/Fred Jackson/4 INT game! That game was the most exciting moment in 2 decades for me as a fan. But, otherwise, the bolded is sadly correct.

I 100% believe Allen would be as successful as Mahomes if he was playing for KC. If not more.. What now?

Who does that? You're on a board of fans that have had a chance to watch everything McDermott has done. To make a blanket conclusion about him because he backed into the playoffs one year w/ Tyrod Taylor? Not very scientific. I mean, what's your premise? Allen & Mahomes have had equal circumstances every step of the way, so obviously Mahomes is way better based on results?

That's your sample size? We needed a miracle play by Andy Dalton & Tyler Boyd to even have a chance that year.