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I don't, which I'm sure might get some laughing emojis. I just think both guys are right for their teams. I think Allen has a better arm for the winds & conditions in Buffalo, and a tougher running style. I also think he's just a tougher dude, which suits our city. Mahomes is great & a good fit for KC. I wouldn't trade Allen for him straight up.

Pats fans did that for years. If the debate was Brady/Manning, it was all Brady, all the time. If it was about coaching, Belichick was the GOAT and chess/checkers.

This thread has veered ever so slightly into "overreaction" territory.

I mean, it's really a stretch to say pre-Mahomes Reid was ANYTHING like McDermott. He made a SB - and could have likely won if McNabb hadn't been sick & thrown 3 INT's. He went to 5 AFCCG's. We've been to one, in what seems like forever ago.

No one said he has to carry a bunch of scrubs. He didn't have a great WR corps this year, though. Harty & Sherfield didn't pan out. Diggs started off great, but wasn't close to himself the last few months; I am fairly sure he was trying to work through an injury. Davis is incredibly inconsistent, and was hurt at the end. All of the all-22 stuff for the Bills showed epic problems w/ the receivers getting separation. Sure, Mahomes had a similar bad situation there. But he had a much better D - certainly at the end of the season & in the playoffs. Allen has had to do more for the Bills than most QB's have to do for their teams. I really don't think that's disputable.

That one punt he had for us preseason was insane. Probably the best punter you could have when you're pinned deep.

Good pick-up. The only caveat is that he's just a boomer - not nearly as good at placement. I'd bet the Chiefs average punt position is far closer to midfield than most teams.

Maybe we can have a separate forum dedicated to Mahomes worship?

Also, any context on that? I did the search. The vast majority of references seem to be game threads, where Josh makes a great play and someone says "he's Superman!" Kind of like fans do the "he is HIM." Basically every fanbase does that. I also see quite a few "Allen needs to be Superman for us to win," or that kind of thing. I'm sure you'll search further to find ways to prove me wrong or something, but context is important on this one. There is far more "Allen needs to improve" on this board than "Allen can do no wrong," which our KC friend contended in his neverending quest for Mahomes credit.

The KC fans really adore ya. Thanks for the tip.

I don't think I've seen anyone here use the word "Superman," or even say he could do no wrong. We think he's a top tier QB. Which apparently you don't, since you said you don't think he would have done "much" with a team Mahomes won a SB with.

Maybe the fumble play. But it's incorrect to label the pass to Shakir "hero ball." It was the play design, and Shakir was open. You have to take that. I kind of laugh when people argue that he should have checked down and gone for a TD more methodically to wind down the clock. As though you can script that against a great D. A lot of bad things can happen, and great D's tighten up the closer you get to the endzone. That might have been the last open guy for a TD Allen could have seen. From the 10 or 5 yard line, if we made it there, he might have had to force it. You take the open guy when he's open. Fair. That's one - and a bit of a wash because that was only there due to the fake punt. Chris Jones made the game-sealing play. There was nothing like that on the Bills side.

The bolded is incorrect. He made the right choice. When you have an open guy in the endzone - you take that opportunity. He wasn't good in the AFC title game. Not that it matters that the top 4 receivers had injuries, w/ one playing on a broken leg. He was bad in the Cincy game. That is not disputable. He was the best player on the field for the Bills in this past divisional - and it wasn't close. I can't really name another player who made an impact play, except maybe Shakir. His other receivers dropped big passes. And who on defense made a real impact play, especially in the 2nd half? I can name quite a few other players on the Chiefs who made impact plays that game.

Of course, of course. Because, as we know - Josh Allen has to play perfect games for the team to have a chance.

You've said a few times that Mahomes isn't getting enough credit on here...no? At one point, you said no one here was giving him credit. Which you later corrected when it was pointed out that most here praise him.

You said McDermott is basically Cowher before he got Big Ben. Were you saying that Allen isn't close to Big Ben, and that for McDermott to take that leap, he needs a better QB? EDIT: and quite a few people think Allen played as well as or better than Mahomes in this past game. He had some big drops by receivers. And you left out his rushing stats. Allen wasn't the reason we lost to KC this year.

Most teams need luck to win a title. Even the mighty Chiefs.

Would you prefer we traded Allen for a ton of picks & start from scratch?

Your assessment of Andy Reid as a mediocre HC who gives KC no advantage over the Bills is noted. So what's the conclusion? Allen just ain't good enough? He's holding McDermott back from greatness?

I mean, that's what happens with an underachieving team. It must be challenging as a KC fan to see fans of another team post about anything but Mahomes' greatness.

I mean - you understand that the focus on short passes was by design....right? Reid coaches these games better. McDermott is a solid coach - but Reid is a great coach. 100%. I feel like I'm losing my mind reading some of these posts.

You think we'd be on the boards of teams that hadn't won a ring yet clamoring for even MORE credit & praise for Allen? Like, literally within days of winning another SB? I wouldn't be. Not a chance.

Reid is a great coach. Just like Brady/Belichick, the success of that team comes down to both. It's an advantage the Chiefs have over the Bills. I like McDermott, but he's not really in the same league as Reid.

Not really sure what you're looking for, but everyone here thinks Mahomes is great, and most think he has also benefitted from a HOF coach. It's pretty simple. If anything, you're here trying to diminish Allen by saying things like he wouldn't have done much w/ this year's Chiefs team. I mean, that's a big dropoff between Mahomes & Allen. One guy wins a SB w/ them, and one guy wouldn't do much w/ them. You think Mahomes would have won a SB w/ this year's Bills team? Kinda doubt it, myself.

That's quite a narrative. Reid is considered the best coach in the NFL right now. That is pretty much consensus. People are starting to talk about him as potential GOAT. McDermott? Not so much right now. I've heard countless opposing fans & pundits say that he's holding Allen back. I'm not ready to give up on him personally, but there is no question the JA era Bills have underachieved, and much of that falls to coaching. So, yeah - the difference in perspective is kind of funny. EDIT: I'd also add that literally no one credits McDermott w/ Allen's development. He's a defensive coach. Daboll is credited w/ making Allen as good as he is. That's a fairly consensus opinion also.