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You know there are levels right? Mike Tyson sexually assaulted a woman. So what Mike Tyson did and what allegedly Hairston is accused of doing....they're the same right?

I asked a friend this question who is a Cop. He said its because it's incredibly hard to charge someone of sexual assault when there isn't penetration or specific bodily fluids on the accuser. Its word against word.

They lost their franchise QB and now they are completely out of the NFL. Makes sense. So coaching matters then huh? It's so funny how you're arguing coaching does and doesn't matter lol. This is hilarious. Its comical at this point.

If Hairston comes down with 20+ charges of sexual assault, then I will throw stones. These situations aren't comparable.

I don't know if you're aware of this or not, but the Bills have played a 1st place schedule the last 5 seasons. Division wins aren't the overall factor when it comes to division titles....it's overall wins. You keep bringing up Jones, Newton, Wilson etc.... We do face a lot of franchise QB's every season. In fact, McDermott has faced Mahomes in the regular season more than he's faced all the above QB's. Winning 5 straight division titles isn't hard. Sean Payton couldn't do it with Brees, Dungy couldn't do it with Manning, Bill Walsh didn't do it with Montana.....

I know the 2015 Broncos lost their QB. So they won the Super Bowl without a franchise level QB. You stated that if Fox or Del Rio would have gotten them to 8 wins. Why? Then why aren't they HC's in the NFL?

Ain't that hard? Then why is there only a handful of coaches who won 5 or more consecutive division titles? Here they are....Andy Reid, Bill Belicheck, Vince Lombardi and Sean McDermott. Soooooooo easy.

So it does matter who is the coach then huh?

I am only replying to this so everyone can see this post. Adam Gase and Nate Hackett would be as successful as McDermott.

The fact that you're bringing up what Hackett and Gase did as OC's and not what they did as HC's. Don't beat around the bush....would the Bills have won 5 straight division titles with Adam Gase or Nathaniel Hackett with the same roster as McDermott?

None of that matters because you said it doesn't matter when you have Josh. Now it matters lol. Understand that I'm not using these as legit arguments. I'm simply copying FireChan's arguments to show him how ridiculous the points he's making. I understand context....

So let me get this straight lol. Belicheck is the GOAT, but if he had Mahomes, he would just still be employed? Reid has Mahomes now, has won 3 Super Bowls with him....why are you assuming that Belicheck can't win a Super Bowl with Mahomes? You "think" he would still be employed. Not a very strong argument for the GOAT HC huh? Not completely sure if he's good enough to keep the job with another elite QB. Why are you assuming that coaches like Nate Hackett and Adam Gase would have the same winning percentage as McDermott? You did say, "We have Josh Allen, it doesn't matter."

You clearly stated below that WITHOUT the GOAT QB, the GOAT HC would be fired in 3 seasons. So since we agree Tom Brady is the GOAT QB and with your statement an hour ago....Mahomes and Montana would have gotten Belicheck fired in 3 seasons. Thank you for simplifying it, you made it where you can't deny it lol.

You probably should give up. Asking specific questions, in this case, asking why I think McDermott would have a .600% winning percentage without Allen is eluding to something. I never once never gave indication that McDermott would be as successful without Allen. Okay, I will ask questions then since it's not assuming or eluding to something. Why do you FireChans, believe that the GOAT Coach would have a .300 winning % without the GOAT QB? Why would he have a .300% winning percentage if he had the Second best QB of all time? I'm not eluding to anything. I'm just asking a question. And great example of using an objective topic for a subjective topic. A firetruck is red because it's red. You don't have to elude to it. It's a fact which makes it objective. How good a coach will be or would be without an elite QB is subjective.

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You go to extremes with everything lol. I never said McDermott would be a .600 winning percentage without Josh. Never even eluded to it. I never said that I think McDermott could be the greatest of all time. Never even eluded to it. I also think McDermott would be a mediocre coach without a franchise QB. I think that applies to every head coach. Belicheck is a below average coach without Brady and his record states that. Do you think you're bringing up a unique point or something? Its obvious that the QB is like the Queen on a chess board...it's the most important piece. I don't understand what you're really arguing now because you're adding in assumptions I never made.

No I don't agree with this lol. You are so black and white that it's hard to have a real discussion with you. What if the GOAT coach had the 3rd best QB of all time? Does that still equal fired in 3 seasons? Well there isn't enough data on McDermott's end, since he only has one season without Allen and he went 9-7. Belicheck is 83-104 WITHOUT Brady.....449% winning percentage. He has a .769% winning percentage WITH BRADY.

100%.

This is what you got from what I said? There are different levels of elite. Both Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers were elite....who was the level above? But to respond to your statement, the vast majority of Super Bowls are won by elite franchise QB's.

McDermott is the worst playoff coach in NFL history?

Tom Brady is on a different level elite. Immediately after leaving NE, he won the Super Bowl in Tampa....a team that was 7-9 the year before.

The Falcons hired Raheem Morris over Belicheck....there's a reason.

So as the #2 seed, we had the better roster than the #3 Ravens? The Bills were the better team?

LOL You're the one eliminating all of McDermott's wins against 7th seed teams for your argument! You know the Raven's were road favorites against the Bills last year....I guess that doesn't qualify as an upset.

Message boards aren't exclusively made to talk about hypothetical scenarios.