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Like the player - not sure I totally understand back to back Edge. I think they are going to be doing some different fronts to try and get pressure - 3-4 DEs lining up all over the field.

This is awesome 👏

This exactly - plus what is the value - Leatherwood seems more destined to be a guard, but there were other OLine still available at that spot that would have been better fits at higher value positions like RT. The difference between Leatherwood at guard and the next guard taken will be huge. It is part of the reason the Jets trade was questionable - gave up 2 3rds for a guard, but at least it was a consensus top pick guy. The Jets pick - I believe led to the Leatherwood pick by LV. I think LV were sitting there thinking they had AVT all lined up and it was their need and value lining up and then the Jets move up and take him and suddenly in the scramble they take the next guy on their board and reach for it. Somehow - Mayock and Gruden just seem disorganized or uninformed and are very set in their ways and when they decide about a position - they go for it - even if it is a stretch.

I will say you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take and each team took a shot. I think Jones has the least shot to bust, but also the least upside of the 2. I think he reads and anticipates well, but he also was on basically an All Star team and he is going to a mediocre team especially in terms of offensive talent. Wilson has more upside, but higher bust potential. I think Kiper was 100% correct with Wilson coming out was not even as good as Darnold coming out and the Jets should of stayed with Darnold. I think the transition to NYC will be interesting of a Mormon Boy from Utah. He will not be the party guy, but I am not sure he will “fit in” with the rest of the teammates like he did at BYU. In the end - I picked both “bust” although more accurately - I think both play, but neither excels and neither becomes a star.

First neither Con is super accurate as yes he was a consensus late first - early second guy and we drafted him late first - so right on value - not sure why that would be a con. His work ethic is well thought of - as an example - he picked up a ton of extra classes in high school to graduate early because he wanted to attend the U for spring practice before his freshman year because he was changing position. He worked super hard to graduate - just so he could get to the U and maximize his practice and learning - Manny Diaz talked about how much that meant. His work ethic was also evident incoming back from a fractured ankle his freshman year and then getting 15.5 sacks and 19.5 TFLs. I highlighted my biggest question - what in the world makes you think we could of traded back 10-15 picks and still got him? It sounds like from the guys talking about Baltimore - that was their pick and we took him - forcing them to take Oweh. If we moved back at all - it is very highly likely that he was gone before the end of Round 1. There was him and Oweh left of the 1st pass DEs and then Tryon starting the next wave and all 3 went with the last 3 picks.

What I really noticed is when watching the predraft coverage- I was not sure who all the players in Cleveland where, but there was one guy that stood out. He was a head taller than the other guys and just looked like a man standing there. I didn’t know who he was and largely forgot until our pick - most of those guys came and went and then we pick and this big, tall guy with a huge smile is in the frame and I realized - wow we got the man and the boy is the new Jets QB (a guy that is no slouch at 6’3, but looked so small. He just seemed like a guy with so much growth potential, but already has the beginnings of a mans body.

I can totally see that Rousseau is a Campbell match - a great fit for them to learn and has a bunch of flexibility. Oweh - he has elite straight line speed, but that lead to almost no actual production in sacks and really is not a great scheme fit for either team. I love his speed, but running outside the tackle and allowing the QB to step up is going to be killer in that division.

On the 3 cone - it was stated he knocked over cones on his first 2 goes. The recorded score was his 3rd attempt in short succession and he was a bit winded after the first 2 bursts and he was a bit cautious trying to avoid the cones on the last go. Sounded like it really impacted the timing.

Like what exactly. On most boards he was expected right in this area. He is at a position of need for depth. He was one of the DEs with good scheme for what Buffalo wants. He was also at a position with a huge drop off in talent - so good scheme and body fit, at a premium position, at the right time, and the pick created a run of the lesser guys right after - meaning we most likely lose out with a trade down. All told I am happy with getting the pick - so much better than what was being mocked our way.

The 3 cone is interesting because they said he knocked down a cone twice - so he had to run it 3 times in total (winded) and was being extra careful - which slows you down. A bit disappointed it took 3 times, but at some point of course that is going to have an impact on your final time. We see it at the combine with guys that false start on the 40 multiple times - when it finally counts they are so cognizant of not false starting that they add .1 to .15 to their time compared to pro days. In his highlights - he showed good bend and lateral movements- so to me the 3 cone was more of a fluke and the dinging of a guy with those arms for Bench is just stupid.

Exactly - and much like TB - this is a guy that can help keep Mahomes centered - the TB guys that created the issues were Vea and Suh - allowing the outside guys then to clean up. If we stick Oliver and Butler in the 2 “A” gaps and let them just shoot through and look for the QB - that should allow guys like Rousseau and Obada to use their length and arms to get some clean up sacks. I don’t know if he will work, but I like what he brings.

With the speed that teams get rid of the ball - speed on the edge is so much less important. Pressure in the middle is more important than edge in most schemes and the newer thing is moving these guys inside. The Edge guys are QB contain guys that should be keeping him in the pocket and let pressure come from inside.

Does the order change after tonight?

Struck out on multiple fronts tonight.

Saw this during the intro - I asked who he was as he was so much taller and well built than the other guys. Good for him!

I like the pick - had my heart set on JOK, but I can live with this. Noticing a pattern with DEs that can play inside - will we be seeing more MINT fronts with OBada, Rousseau, or Addison playing more inside with Oliver - trying to stuff the middle more - letting Milano really flow. Seems Obada and Rousseau are both tall 6’6 guys with long arms - very interesting with the smaller QBs in Miami and NE and even Wilson in NY. I think they have some thoughts about clogging the middle and blocking some passing lanes. Hopefully this forecasts some more aggressive defensive calls.

Well before the draft they made the trade - not on draft night. If he missed that - he would of been dead. 😂

Yeah - it stopped at 0 - didn’t get the pick last year. Also he was wrong on Farley. Whoops.

Who is the stud RB - you have 2 guys that are being looked at as late 1st rd picks for a reason. ETN is faster, but still not elite RB speed and has been way overused. He is a lesser RB than Harris and can’t catch or block as well. Harris is an excellent RB in the mold of other recent Alabama RBs like the guys 2 guys in NE that neither are a difference maker. If he was faster than ETN then he might be a stud, but he is barely faster than Moss - he is not a break away threat - he is a pound the rock 25 times and hit him on a few screens. I just think both of these guys (and running backs in general) are use them up commodities and having the 5th year option doesn’t help much as that is typically more than if you pick up a street FA.

I think the truth is that there is no position in this draft that changes much of anything. You want a different outcome - let’s play it out with an easier schedule this year, maybe all 5 of our WRs are injured with broken fibula’s and torn oblique muscles. There are lots of ways to impact outcomes - a late first round pick should not be the difference. The Bills are in a great position - the team and the staff are learning and growing together. Let the season progress and just draft a guy that will be with the team long term - therefore unless he is by far the best value - avoid a RB as the difference between a late 1st round guy, an undrafted guy, and a guy you can pick up mid season - is fairly minor as was shown by KC last year.

I guess based on the last few Mocks - I think CB is the pick. Hoping for Newsome with his elite speed. That brings us full circle back to Tre’ White and the first pick. I think they will keep the rotation going.

I just don’t think Harris is a generational back - he is more Josh Jacobs, Sony Michel, Damien Harris, line of backs. Good players but nothing special - I just don’t think he has the speed to be elite. I think he could be good, but he will need a ton of touches to get into huge pack of JAGS between 800 - 1000 yards.

I don’t doubt he has some connection - especially in the Denver camp, but he just has not been right about Buffalo. I would of love to see what happened if Oliver wasn’t there - I don’t think there was any way Wilkins was the choice - if Oliver had gone to Detroit. I think he was flat out played by guys feeding him false info. The Allen pick - there was lots of talk on the board about Allen for 2 months leading up to the draft. It was debated over and over. I give him credit for sticking to his guns and I believe he got some info from Denver about the pick. The Oliver selection was a draft with a ton of DLine 5 of the top 9 picks were along the DLine and 10 of the top 20 picks. Fully half of the top 20 picks were DLine. It was not a shock that the Bills were looking DL. Again on the board it was debated which guy drops - was it going to be Williams, Allen, or Oliver with the pick. The big question was if Detroit went DL would we draft the TE instead. Last year did he really step out on a limb - the top receiver class ever and he says we are in on a receiver - He was not in the know on the Diggs trade as that was broken nationally. That also occurred over a month before the draft. The guy we actually drafted later - he totally whiffed on. My point is maybe he knows, but based upon his history - he has no more knowledge than ICB used to have. Beane tends to set his team up over a year in advance with an eye on what positions have a ton of value. I am expecting the Bills to continue that trend and draft a CB as that is a deep and talented position. We will see as mine is just a guess based on what we have seen in history, but based upon what Beane has said and done - I just don’t think ETN is the pick. CB/DB is the one position he has not signed anyone at, it is a deep and talented position with likely a few guys dropping, it is a position that we are set for starters - so the pick can be more long term, a guy like Newsome has elite speed to match up with KC, it all just matches and works how they have operated - draft youth on D early - (CB, LB, DT, DE - top picks over last 4 years) now it falls back to CB again.

His claim is that he was on Buffalo and Allen. The issue is if you go beyond - he didn’t have Edmunds. In a great DL draft - he had us with DL - just not the right pick - I believe he had us with Wilkins not Oliver. Then in the best WR draft in history - he had us with a WR - he missed out on us trading for Diggs a month before the draft. Our actual 1st pick in AJ - he had mocked to NE in round 1. So in the last 5 picks - he got Allen - big points and nothing else of note. Not exactly a high percentage, but if you read his tweets - he went after a guy and claimed he has been right 5 straight picks.

I think you can already say no to CEH also. The guys drafted outside the Top 10 are all just Jags at this point. The guys in the top 10 have some play, but other than McCaffrey - none of them are worth the second contracts or what they are paid and I am not sure McCaffrey - as good as he is - makes a lick of difference to a teams outcome.