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My god look in the mirror skip! You were the one fabricating and manipulating Tyrods 2015 stats into what you said were "HOF" worthy numbers. Who's the hypocrite!
This message board definitely has BBMB qualities as it sucks out the trolls who, like parasites, latch on to fragments of a post and neglect the entirety of what's said.
Whatever.
What a bore....
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Wow indeed. Give me Taylor > Rogers he's too reckless and Tyrod is Hof bound. Lol.
You got it bad for #5. Love the emotions. Hopefully he will make you proud one day.
Dude, you're either being intentionally obtuse because you're having fun (I think that's called Trolling) or you're just actually dense.
Which is it?
You listed a bunch of QBs who threw more INTs than Taylor as though someone on here is arguing that if a QB doesn't throw a lot of Interceptions, he's automatically good.
No one is saying that.
No one.
You've set up the best example of a Straw Man fallacy here. No one is saying what you're arguing against.
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Qb's who threw more int's that Tyrod last year.
Matt Ryan
Aaron Rogers
Russell Wilson
Brees
Big Ben.
Stafford
Mariota
Jameis
Luck
He stinks bruh. Pick a diff bills player to Stan. Sometimes you have to throw the ball instead of chanelling Trent Edwards.
Wow.
Just Wow...
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They would be worse if they left plays on the field because they didn't want to risk getting picked.
Wait...
So you're telling me that QBs are actually great because they throw interceptions?
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We're talking about the importance of interception rates so I am giving you QBs that did better than Tyrod last year.
And then?
That's one aspect of a QB's game. And an important one.
But it's not like it's THE ONLY one.
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So did Cody Kessler.
You mean on his fewer than 200 passes?
But...
Again, your point?
Or are you just Trolling?
If you can't explain any of the relevance of your cryptic comments, I suspect you're just Trolling.
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Colin Kaepernick had a lower interception rate than Tyrod last year.
Your point?
Colin Kaepernick didn't have a bad year last year.
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Turnovers are one of the most important stats in getting to the playoffs.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/interceptions-thrown-per-game
Out of the top 10 teams in least interceptions thrown, only 3 did not make the playoffs (Bills, Vikings, Bengals). The top 2 teams are New England and Atlanta. Out of the bottom 10, only 2 made the playoffs (Texans, Steelers) and let's be honest the Texans didn't deserve to be there.
Going back to the 2015 season, results are similar. Only 2 of the top 10 teams failed to make the playoffs (Bills, Rams) and only 3 of the bottom 10 teams made the playoffs.
It is simply wrong to say that interceptions don't matter, or that they only matter a little. They matter a lot. The stats back it up every time.
It's just amazing how hypocritical some of these folks are considering that they throw out accusations of manipulating data to make Taylor look good. This is worse than that in many ways... it's taking something that everyone acknowledges is one of Taylor's greatest strengths and is pretty much universally accepted as a very important trait for a QB, and they're trying to make it seem like that trait that's pretty much universally accepted as important is actually not very important.
Backasswards is what it is. And funny. And a little sad.
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What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass.
I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws.
Would you say that those same QBs would be better with fewer interceptions?
How are you flabbergasted by what I said? I just pointed to the Pitt game because Pitt had 3 INTs while we had 1 but we still lost.
Yeah... interceptions, just like passing yards, just like rushing yards, just like passing TDs, aren't the only influence in winning.
There are reasons we lost that Steelers game. One of the only reasons we were even almost in it was because Big Ben kept throwing picks.
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Sure they made a huge difference in winning the last Pitt game, oh wait...SMH
I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here.
So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter?
Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..."
Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel.
As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play...
Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot.
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I get what you're saying. If you take TT's 14 games and extrapolate them out (basically assuming that he plays to that level in the two games that he didn't play, huge leap FYI) to 16, then multiply then 10, they are HoF numbers.
Sure, maybe. If you add 10 to my TD total and multiply it by 500, I'm also putting up HoF numbers. You understand both premises are silly, yes?
And now you're lost as to where that argument originated and why we were having it, both of which are critical, otherwise you twist the context as you're doing now.
Ints matter but do they? Or just some schlep like you says they do. Bledsoe is 25th on the career list and 16 HOFers have thrown more than him.
Whatever. Believe what you want. I'm done for the day. Time for Scotch.
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Just because you explain something nonsensical doesn't make it any less nonsensical.
It's only nonsensical because that's what you want it to be.
Or you still don't understand it.
Either way, blah blah blah blah. The argument is going in circles because of your refusals to understand a pretty simple premise, one that makes absolutely no statement about what kind of player he was in 2016 or will be for the rest of his career, but it's being twisted into that for some reason.
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Nick Foles numbers tho. Ooooh weee
1st ballot. And you don't have to add a fake 500 yards on there for effect.
Sad. So sad.
Civility called and said she left you last night with Reason but would come back tonight, so leave the door unlocked.
For the sake of this message board, I hope they get back sooner.
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Drew Bledsoe's career numbers don't remotely resemble Taylor's 2015 numbers.He played 14 games, 3000 pass yards with 20 pass TDs. Over a 10 year career he would have 30000 pass yards and 200 pass TDs. Not HOF worthy numbers. Go ask Drew Bledsoe or anyone else with better numbers not in the HOF.
Look at all those turnovers.
Yes. Those matter, too.
And even with all those Interceptions, Bledsoe actually IS in the HOF discussion, even if it's outside looking in and he never gets in.
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Thank you... tired of trying to explain it in different ways so even the most stubborn and narrow minded anti-Taylor poster would at least understand.it blows my mind that none of you guys are comprehending what he is saying no matter how many times he says it.
let me try.
tyrod is not a hofer. IF (stay with me) he did what he did in 2015 over the course of his career he would it would be hof worthy. IF.
Again you guys have built this wonderful strawman of cot but ignore that many of us that support tyrod do so because of any of the following.
1. he is our best option at the moment for NEXT season.
2. in some people's opinion none of the qbs in this year's draft are going to be the answer.
3. they believe tyrod isn't done improving. in this very thread FireChan talks about no substitute for game experience.
4. they want to see if the Miami and Seattle games can be built on and his consistency can be improved.
5. he plays for the bills so we root for him.
I have yet to see a poster say he is definitively the answer. so let's put this asinine cot business to rest. the only hardliners people in these threads are anti TT people.
take a page from gunner bill. spoke his piece, has proven to be knowledgeable, and let's it rest. we know where everyone stands at this point.
YES.Except that's not what he's saying.
IT.
IS!!!!
That's exactly what I was saying!
I'm truly disappointed in you, 808.
Oh Holy Freaking Crap...Except he's adding numbers to that argument.
You guys got problems.
My point has been explained well enough.
Do you want me to change it to a 14 game season that he averages for the rest of his career where he's still putting up those exact same numbers from 2015?
We can if you want. Maybe that's more borderline HOF, but still could get him in.
You lost souls amaze me the way you twist statements.
Be stubborn. Be blind to it. I don't really care. The truth is here for you to figure out.
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What's ridiculous is trying to make an argument based off stats he didn't even achieve one year, let alone more than one.
It's just further proof and goes to show the incredible lengths you and other CoT members go to for a guy that just isn't very good.
And please leave the passer rating nonsense alone. We all know he ran a simplified offense with low risk, high percentage throws to pump up that rating. Ask him to do more (2016) and you see what happens.
You're arguing oranges and my argument is vegetable juice... sure they're almost sorta connected, but they aren't.
I was arguing about his per-game stats, Crusher. You get that, right? Yeah, you can call it a stretch to average out what he did on a per game basis in 14 games into 16. That's fine. If it were stretching out 7 games into 16, I could see your argument, but it's 2 games he was missing numbers for. If he played in those 2 games, he obviously would have put stats up. The argument was about Taylor's level of production in 2015, which was much better than you or many give him credit for. Some of you want to argue about how he got those numbers... except he still got them.
I said, all along, that what he did in 2015 was incredibly underappreciated by posters like you and that it would be almost ridiculous to actually expect him to improve his production. I said, all along, that I expected a dip in production, myself, but that if Taylor could somehow maintain his level of production, he would undoubtedly be our Franchise QB and if he maintained that level throughout his career, those are HOF numbers he's putting up.
You guys are blinding yourselves in your anti-Tyrod sentiments that you can't even acknowledge that if anyone's way off in this, it's not me. Maybe I'm off in the idea that Taylor would be a sure-fire HOFer, but when 808 calls it "ridiculous" to think that when you actually do all the thinking about it goes off the deep end in the opposite direction.
You're focusing on "how" he got the production, my argument alone was the production itself, which many over at BBMB actually claimed they needed more of.
So, regardless of HOW he got there, if Taylor had a Passer Rating of 99.4 for his entire career, he would be 3rd in career Passer rating ahead of many, many HOF QBs and (again I firmly believe) would be in the HOF.
Don't come at me with his stats being propped up because of a system. That has absolutely nothing to do with the argument we had last year. It was about production and production alone.
In terms of his production in 2015, if he would have maintained his production throughout his career on a game by game basis, that would be a HOF-worthy QB.
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It's still a ridiculous thing to say.
Really? Do you remember the entire context of the argument, yet? You haven't bothered trying to prove it wrong in any way.
Try. Please. This would be the epitome of thinking objectively.
Tell me how it's a ridiculous thing to say a QB who, over a 16 game season (for the ones he's healthy) would consistently put up 4150 yards, 28 TDs, 7 INTs with the 2nd highest career passer Rating in NFL history would be in the HOF? And if you're one of those "wins are on the QB" guys then also a guy who wins more games than he loses and, therefore, likely ends up in the playoffs multiple times.
Tell me how that's a ridiculous thing to say? Now you're not actually arguing against my point, you're just saying something dumb because to go so far as to call that "ridiculous" is ludicrous.
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Thurman kind of knocked it out of the park in the last post.
Or not...
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That the Broncos wanted a guy a year ago at a moment when Denver had one QB on the roster and a different head coach ... very very clearly does not prove that the same team wants the same guy later with a different head coach and two very young promising QBs already on the roster. Especially at a time when they would have to pay about eight or ten times more than they were looking at back then.
When the rumor circulated that Elway had called last year in April, Denver had one QB on the roster, Siemian, who at the time had thrown zero NFL passes. Further, Tyrod had not yet signed his very expensive August 2016 contract extension and so was available for another year for a million or two.
And that doesn't even mention Tyrod's regression this last year.
There's no proof, but it's very likely that Denver indeed did not want Tyrod this off season. That train left the station when they drafted Lynch and Siemian played OK. There's been no mention of it this year and in fact sources said specifically that the Broncos were not one of the teams interested in Tyrod this year, those three being the Browns, 49ers and Jets.
So yeah, I guess we can indeed make stuff up to fit agendas.
I used to wanna date this girl a while back. These days looking at her, I can't imagine what I was thinking. Things change. Assuming for no reason and with no evidence that they haven't is imprecise thinking.
Oh, and as for the Broncos fans, there was a recent poll as to who should be the Broncos QB this year here, on a site with a ton of Broncos-related polls:
https://apester.com/channels/5793d9cf58871208530731eb?src=channel
There were 23,000 voters. Two percent said Tyrod. Two percent! You can probably find two percent of Bills fans who still want Manuel.
I'm confused... where's this poll?
I see a direct question of "should the Broncos target Tyrod Taylor in 2017."
https://apester.com/media/58630ca34f601b092922329b
76% said yes and 15% said no.
What's happened Thurm? You used to be so adamantly neutral about everything. Now your bias is blurring your vision.
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Trevor Siemian and Tyrod Taylor are comparable players. Denver fans wouldn't want Tyrod and I am sure the average Buffalo fan wouldn't want Siemian.
Denver fans wouldn't want Tyrod, huh?
Revealing post...
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FC, you weren't there for this entire discussion last year and 808 can't remember it, but the argument was a per game basis since some years Taylor would likely play a full 16 games, like this year if he weren't pulled.
Glad you 2 are getting your LOLs though, even if you have to take a discussion out of context to do it.
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I literally can't LOL at this enough.
He threw for 3000 yards, 20 TDs and 6 INTs. You're just making numbers up to support your argument. It's totally self serving and deliberately confusing.
No. You see, this has been your problem all along. You didn't understand then what I was saying and you don't understand now what I'm saying.
But apparently I'm being "cantankerous and insulting," so I won't try to explain and run the risk of stepping on the toes of folks who can't engage in civil and rational disagreement.
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Yes. Unequivocally.
Well, if you think the HOF is keeping out a QB who passes for 3500 yards, 23 TDs, 7 INTs while maintaining a passer Rating of 99.4 which is 3rd all time at the moment and adds 650 yards and 5 TDs on the ground every year he plays, can you explain why?
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Tyrod Taylor. I bring it up only to illustrate the lengths of hyperbole some fans will go to exalt him.
Odd that you think something that's about as factual as it gets is hyperbole.
You know what that word means, right?
Tyrod Taylor's Highlights
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I don't know what you're "ouch"ing.
Interceptions (or I should say, the lack of interceptions... really turnovers in general) is an incredibly important part of playing QB.
So is completion %.
So is TDs, passing or rushing.
So is yards, passing or rushing.
So is YPA, or YPC.
So is 3rd down % on passing plays.
So is...
You get my point. There are tons of facets of a QB's game that matter and not a single poster ever said that one was the only one that mattered, and that's the way some of you are talking. And it's very troll-like. And it's very sad.
I don't know why you quoted those posts and said this is going to be fun. I don't know what you think that actually says. You don't actually believe those posts by me are saying that INTs are the only QB stat that matter, do you?
I hope not.
If you do, seek help. Immediately.