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No.. But I am bored to tears by your nothing stat.... Can you draw any worthwhile conclusions? Perhaps we should just let 'em sack Taylor to move the chains....
Boy, you're just a bitter bundle of middle school, aren't you?
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The offense was a lot more efficient with Taylor/Lynn, too. Buffalo's 3 & out % and TOP (both areas of huge complaint for some) both go from bottom of the barrel to middle of the pack if you're only looking at the Taylor/Lynn combo.It boils down to this : After Lynn replaced Roman as OC, the Taylor-led Bills scored points at the 4th highest rate in the NFL, using the 2016 team scoring numbers as a benchmark. Of course Old School can have dozens of objections and qualifications to that fact, no doubt every single one legit. But the fact remains promising nonetheless - suggesting the team has a strong offensive foundation. If the new regime builds on what worked last year; if a good set of receivers emerge and stay healthy; if Taylor is a bit more consistent - then Buffalo will have a very potent offense. At which point the team's ceiling will be set by the defense - and that has to be significantly better, right?
You mad, brah?Tyrod plays well after you knock some sense into him?... Great!.... Kick him in the nuts once every down, and let's run the K-gun!
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So which 3 games did you randomly pick to take away from every other team in the league for this comparison?
Why do you need to randomly take away from other teams if you're doing it on a per game basis? If there are other teams that had similar changes in offensive play callers that'd make sense comparatively, but who are those teams?
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Transplant - this is off topic but I think you'd enjoy this Chris Trapasso article:
Didn't feel like making a whole thread for it which is probably the right call.
So I think all this stuff is worth a look. It's pretty darn interesting.
So the Bills had 46 sacks, but Taylor was sacked 42 times. EJ was sacked 3 times and Jones was sacked once. The offense converted one of those sacks on EJ for a 1st down.
So, Taylor's offense was 12/42 (still 28.6%) in converting 1st downs for a sack. But 16 of his 42 sacks were on 3rd down, which are plays I think it'd be hard to call "drive-killers" in the manner some people use that phrase.
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Transplant - this is off topic but I think you'd enjoy this Chris Trapasso article:
Didn't feel like making a whole thread for it which is probably the right call.
Hap, we're nubes so I understand the hesitation for making a new thread for something like this, but I actually think this link and the 2 articles in the "study" it references actually deserves it's own thread. There are going to be a couple of the (*ahem*) usual suspects who criticize the Tyrod homers for coming out in full force, but I don't think this is a study anyone has really seen or discussed.
I'm still digesting some of it myself. I'll come back here to comment on it if you haven't started a separate thread. Thanks! Intriguing stuff
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Haaa. Laughable!
So, calling someone a tightwad now is "bashing them"? I only re-iterated what dozens of sports websites already observed.
When I said "only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod" I meant the thread wasn't about bashing him at all...
And yes, I called out a few of his cabana-boys for overreacting to stats that could be critical of him... This is actually VERY good... I receive similar drama whenever I shine a light on a coach or player with an issue...
9 times out of 10, That player/coach is GONE shortly thereafter... So shoot the messenger if you must... I'm used to it... Just don't whine when he shoots back a time or two...
Yes. Calling someone a tightwad is bashing him. It's an inflammatory statement.
If you really can't see that, I think the next logical question would be: have you graduated High School, yet?
There were plenty of other ways to say what you said. Instead, you chose to go the middle-school route throwing out playground insults.
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Only the worst posters on the board took the thread as an opportunity to bash Tyrod... I actually thought the site would be a good resource for anyone else to assemble their
own stats, and theories for the upcoming season. The thread itself highlighted a passing stat that was 32nd in a ranking of 32 teams.. When coupled with other low-end
passing stats, it reveals a situationthat I feel requires improvement... Why? -Because the defense could still be an issue this season... In that event, this team cannot count
on an abundance of 4-12, 2-14, and 1-15 pushovers to boost our win total... We will have to out-score good teams... So, to those content with dumping the entire failed
season at the feet of Rex Ryans staff, I will tell you that you are 100% not wrong.. I'll also remind you that Rex is no longer here to blame... Don't be shocked if a stat many
of you dismiss, comes back to haunt you in a big way.
Dude... look at your 2nd and especially your 3rd posts in your own thread from page 1:
Alot of them went into Taylor Savings & Loan... Well, mostly SAVINGS... That's where Tightwad keeps all the wide open guys he didn't hit, and all the plays he left on the field because he was scared to throw.
Yah... guys were hurt... The WR corp. was weak.... Still, there were many opportunities TT let sail by...
This year's schedule offers little in the way of forgiveness for such mistakes.
Bottom line? -Ball's gotta fly in '17. or we CRY in '17... -AGAIN!
You're calling yourself one of the worst posters on the board
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Very good point, Shady! I'm impressed.....
Also, Taylor does pretty well when throwing to a legitimate No. 1 & 2 receiver - something he rarely had last year, the hobbled, crippled and MIA notwithstanding......
Tyrod's stats in the 15 games where both Watkins and Woods plays : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INTs
Yeah, and that's a big part of the problem here. Taylor was missing his top WRs in his not-so-deep WR corps more than most teams. Woods and Sammy missed a combined 11 games in 2016.
Only the Jets and Chargers had their #1 and #2 WRs miss more games than Sammy and Woods. 2 other teams missed their #1 and #2 WRs 11 games like Buffalo: Tampa Bay and Chicago.
None of those teams made the playoffs.
By contrast, the 8 teams with the fewest games missed by their WRs all made the playoffs:
Detroit (1)
NYG (2)
Houston (2)
New England (4) 5 if you take Edleman, Amendola, and Hogan as a group
Atlanta (4)
Green Bay (4)
Dallas (4)
Kansas City (4)
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You're giving a single example that isn't representative of most of his scrambles.No they're not, and NO They are not!
So what?! Tyrod scrambles for a quick 7 yards on a 2nd &10... Doesn't see a WIDE OPEN Charles clay for 20! -What good are those seven yards? We didn't get a first down, and you don't know what's gonna happen on
the next play...O-line penalty... Bad snap... Now, instead of 3rd and 3 you're 3rd and 15... You think TT throws on that 3rd and 15??? -NO, he hands it off to McCoy, who gashes the D for a respectable 12 yards.... Now it's
4th and 3 on the opposing 40!
TT bumped his stats...
McCoy bumped his stats...
The play went nowhere.
QBs passing for 7.9 YPA are passing with great efficiency... you get that, right?
14 scrambles by Taylor were actually on 3rd down. 7 were converted. 50% conversion rate for a QB is pretty darn good. Taylor also scored 4 TDs scrambling on passing plays. These plays aren't the throwaway plays you insist they are. This just wreaks of someone who's ill-informed.
Also...
You and a couple other posters are being just flat out mean and rotten. You're directly insulting people who are bringing in different sides to the argument. Did you start this thread to discuss the topic or insult people?
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Just curious, does that include special teams pros/cons? Like when the bills get a punt received at the 3 and run it back for 40 yards or when the bills punt to the 5 and let someone run for 40 yards?
Good idea to consider special teams here. I know Thurm mentioned Buffalo's average starting position vs the opponent average field position.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/puntReturnYards/position/defense
Looks like Buffalo's kick return special teams coverage was particularly horrible... 3rd worst in the league
First of all, 16th is exactly average. Second of all, field position is a special teams statistic. We had a kicker who couldn't kick the ball through the end zone on kickoffs and a punter who finished dead last in yards per punt in the league (he also tied for first in punts out of bounds and 32nd in longest punt).
I am eagerly awaiting the day you blame Tyrod for Carpenter's missed field goals and extra points. Really should have lined up for a 2 point conversion, drawn the defense offside, and then Carpenter would only have to kick a 20 yard extra point instead of a 25 yard extra point. Stupid Tyrod!
Actually, I have no idea what would happen in that scenario involving offside during a 2 point conversion and then switching to an extra point. Would be an interesting factoid. Anyway, you get the point. Well, probably not. But, point made.
Again... nicely stated.
Special teams has really been let off the hook in a lot of ways.
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More attempts from a more confident passer might have meant even more TD's... Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?... If we were 14th or 15th in attempts we could have very well won more games... TT pulled the ball down and hauled-azz on many occasions where he could have thrown downfield.... Are we still denying this after last season?
Every time someone speaks the truth they get attacked by TT cabana-boys defending their master... What could anyone possibly have against this stat being improved?... smh...
Why do people care about this so much?
Yards are yards.
Points are points.
Taylor scrambled for more yards per scramble (7.9) than the vast majority of NFL QBs passed per attempt.
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Bills call a pass play. TT holds the ball, scrambles around,(as he is capable of doing) and either takes a sack or gains some positive rush yards, maybe a first down or even more. Neither of these outcomes count as a "pass attempt." I would guess that TT, as a % of pass plays called, would have amongst the highest rates of "no throws." This is may not be a bad thing if it's because of his running talent and being "ball secure." So, as to the OP, I am unconvinced as to the point.
Nice reality check on the whole picture of the passing game.
The Bills actually had about 35 passing plays called per game with Taylor at QB. But just under 3 of those plays per game he was sacked for about 4.6 yards per sack and just over 3 of those plays per game he scrambled for 7.9 yards per scramble.
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You mean that the Bills D was bad? You get no argument from me there.
But some people want to put all the blame on the defense and none on our below average pass game.
I think it's more about balance of blame between the two than pinning it all on one side, though some posters seem to want to do that.
Our defense was record breakingly bad by allowing Ajayi two 200 yard rushing games and Bell another one.
3 losses out of the 5 that really mattered since the last game was a throwaway game.
No excuses for that.
The D was about as close as almost entirely responsible as you can get in the NFL for the Bengals win. Might have caught a break with one of the best WRs getting injured early. And they were good in the Patriots game against a 3rd stringer, other than that, they were decent to below average to horrid.
Yeah, our passing offense needs to get better, but it'd be great to have a D opponents (especially RBs) don't salivate facing.
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We may be a top 5 team at running the football but our QB for some reason can't do play action.
What?
Do you have anything at all to back this up?
I actually think he'd thrive in play action; Roman/Lynn just didn't use it often in their system.
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Scanning available stats, I found many areas where the Bills did well... Rushing stats were phenomenal... Believe it or not, Many of our stats ranged from good to middle of the pack
Except one.
Perhaps the one that kept us out of the playoff's for the seventeenth time in a row.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-attempts-per-game
Yes, the D was miserable... But in order to be competitive this one stat MUST change... Note to our QB's -SPRAY IT, DON'T SAY IT!
Weird logic... so the key to fixing all of our woes is simply passing more?
Does it matter if we're significantly less efficient in the run game?
Or if we turn the ball over significantly more?
Or, for that matter, end up with a defense that gets worse rather than better?
You really believe it's possible that the fact that we didn't pass more was what kept us out of the playoffs... despite the fact that we averaged 1 less pass per game than the #1 seed in the NFC?
Alot of them went into Taylor Savings & Loan... Well, mostly SAVINGS... That's where Tightwad keeps all the wide open guys he didn't hit, and all the plays he left on the field because he was scared to throw.
Yah... guys were hurt... The WR corp. was weak.... Still, there were many opportunities TT let sail by...
This year's schedule offers little in the way of forgiveness for such mistakes.
Bottom line? -Ball's gotta fly in '17. or we CRY in '17... -AGAIN!
I was hoping when reading this OP that it'd be more about offensive philosophy, instead it's just a vastly generalized anTy thread...
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That Cross on your back must be insanely heavy!You are completely wrong and completely in denial about your conduct...as I figured you would be.
And one last piece of advice...worry about your own conduct before you concern yourself with mine. All I really need to do is utter the slightest criticism of Tyrod and you can't help but take it to heart and respond poorly.
If this was a competition, you'd surely crack first...history has already proven such.
Anyways...I'm gonna leave this silly back and forth.
The stage is now yours...
I feel like you block things out from your vision when you read it. I'm not guilt free and never said I was.
I just don't strike first.
You were posting in this thread for several pages. I never once responded to you or mentioned your name. Then you post:
Case and point.The problem is posters like Transplant trying to tell us that he is more than that. He will almost certainly reply and say he's not, but it's easy to see that he is saying it without actually saying it.
My only issue currently is the posters that want to claim Taylor is good, and that he can be the guy. I believe that the Bills don't even see him as that anymore, and are just biding time with a guy who can keep the team afloat and keep fans in the seats...at least for the first half of the season.
You can leave or you can talk about the topic at hand rather than constantly derail it.
Up to you
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Crusher,
I invite you to read what you are posting....perhaps you simply do not realize you are posting derogatory comments?
It's Dr. Jekyll you're talking to right now. Mr Hyde will inevitably be around.
Unfortunately, Dr Jekyll doesn't have a clue about what he does as Mr Hyde...
Want me to go back and quote you calling me sad, pathetic, among other things?
I'll admit I haven't been perfect here in regards to my conduct of late, but it's only because you opened up that can of worms.
Time for you to accept that you have been anything but innocent here and own the conduct you love to cite me for.
I said those things after you had just insulted me.
That's what you always do
I'm not concerned myself.
As I've stated...you can go back and see what I set out to do once I got here...I was very clear that I didn't want to repeat the mistakes from the other board here, and I was on my best behavior during that time.
I came here acting as an adult and looking to keep this board the same way it was before us refugees arrived. Needless to say, it wasn't that way with some others, and things have continued to escalate since.
It'll be very disappointing if anyone loses their ability to post here, but I'm starting to think it may take that in order to get the message across.
Let it be known that I wish to be here, and will continue to keep discussion limited to the topic at hand and will refrain from anything more.
Sweet!!!
Starting when?
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Your childish remarks are cooler.
No one cares about old bbmb beefs let it go, hit the reset button
A bunch of hypocrites calling people names while bitching about name calling
No one cares. You all sound like crusher left y'all at the altar. It sounds like he's trying to make amends from an outsiders perspective but Tyrod fanboys will never let it go.
It's 2017, the bbmb does not exist let the healing begin.
Do you feel left out?
GROUP HUUUUG!!!!!
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A week away from this thread and not even a remotely recent dialogue between the two of us and, without any prompting from me or even a post by me, you go with this.The OP wouldn't even mention this guy if he didn't have it hard for TT...FACT.
One example of how you haven't really changed...You're clinging on to words I used on the old board. I got on here and tried very hard to leave that behind and start fresh. Many posters haven't followed suit and continue to use that former version of me to judge me here...that's unfair when I really did put forth effort to refrain from the insults, name calling, and my overall tone.
Maybe you're the one who's got it hard for someone...
Is that it? Bang and i professed our love, you feel left out?
Oh Crusher, don't worry, I'm not a one man kinda guy
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To me it's not about defense, like I said before their may only be 2 or 3 defenses that can stop the passing attack with the way the rules are right now. It's 80% on the QB's.
If we start out 1-4 do you think we should keep Taylor as the starter if he is struggling after the bye. Im betting on us being 1-4 at the bye.
80% on the QB?
Not a chance.
Someone earlier mentioned making this fun and wagering. Wanna bet the Bills have more than 1 win by the 5th game?
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...LMAO...TBD's Moe, Larry and Curly I presume.......Can I be Larry?
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It's not about TD throws, it's about what he does (and does not do) on those TD throws (which are readily available and easily found samples of his 2016 passes) that completely contradict the central premise of the post I originally responded to from you.Desperate is you rushing defend Taylor at every turn. Starting 19 out of 23 threads on BBMB on Taylor, and then continuing posting strictly Taylor threads here. Even in the Peterman draft thread you had to jump in and insult those who thought he may end up challengin Taylor for his spot.
As for the other stuff you said...it's not even relevant to what I said. You are grasping to these TD throws when I'm not even arguing them. You have tried (desperately) to twist my original point and latch onto this narrative that he does something I thought he didn't, when I never stated anything about his TD passes.
This is a joke at this point discussing this anymore with the majority of posters in this thread. Time to find something else to discuss...this is a complete waste.
8 out of his 10 TD passes under pressure were from the pocket. Even if that ends up a little high, it's a pretty good indication of what he did under pressure in 2016.
Hi, fake tough guy.
You are the funniest one of them all because you clearly can't deal with a poster on a message board.
This I enjoy, and look forward to the torment my future posts are sure to cause you.
Really not a good look...
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So then Transplant and JM2009 shouldn't be taken serious either since they both do the same, but to a higher degree.
I'm held to a higher standard because I don't have high regard for Taylor as a player...simple as that.
Dude, I won't pretend to be innocent, but you pretty clearly like to start $H!+ and use much more vitriol ("clowns and fools," "transplant's got it hard for Taylor," etc) than almost anyone else.
Stop pretending you should be viewed as a martyr
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Lol.
The only one in denial here is you.
Tendencies can't be determined on 17 throws...sorry, bud.
You want to make a point to counter my claims with little to nothing to back it up, and when I direct you on how you can truly make a valid point and legitimately counter my reasoning, you get sensitive and chirp about how you don't "need" to do anything. Ok, you don't need to, but don't come back with some weak response pretending that you actually came back with something worthwhile...that trash you typed up doesn't deserve the time of day.
I've put in more time researching on my own and bringing up facts on this matter than you ever will, so save you're I'm too cool to listen to you BS and come to the table with something substantial or go back to discussing with the puppets and uninformed...you appear to be in the same category lately.
You've put time in for research?
Doubtful.
Crusher, you started a single thread on BBMB that contained some pretty solid research to discuss. I defended you when that thread closed down because I thought it was unfair and ridiculous.
That's the kind of Crusher I hoped to see over here with a brand new fresh start.
Unfortunately, that thread was an outlier for you.
I don't need to go figure out the throws because nothing is going to convince you to acknowledge any level of promise from Taylor in terms of the QB position as you want it played.
You believe that you're somehow showing objectivity when you acknowledge strengths like "a great deep ball" or "elite athleticism" or "a great runner," except you aren't because you choose pretty much inarguably his universal strengths.
But you get those 17 throws to look at (did you even bother going and watching the throws you?) and pretty much acknowledge that he does what you think he doesn't do well on those throws and now need to see the rest of the throws and get numbers for how many were outside of the pocket rather than in the pocket...?
Crusher, you must be desperate.
One big, dirty, stat.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-hc-mcdermott-impressed-with-tyrod-taylors-leadership/
And anyone wondering who the 2 QBs ahead of him are, it's Aaron Rodgers with 12 TDs and Andrew Luck with 11. Russell Wilson also threw 10 TDs under pressure.