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More attempts from a more confident passer might have meant even more TD's... Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?... If we were 14th or 15th in attempts we could have very well won more games... TT pulled the ball down and hauled-azz on many occasions where he could have thrown downfield.... Are we still denying this after last season?
Every time someone speaks the truth they get attacked by TT cabana-boys defending their master... What could anyone possibly have against this stat being improved?... smh...
Why do people care about this so much?
Yards are yards.
Points are points.
Taylor scrambled for more yards per scramble (7.9) than the vast majority of NFL QBs passed per attempt.
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Bills call a pass play. TT holds the ball, scrambles around,(as he is capable of doing) and either takes a sack or gains some positive rush yards, maybe a first down or even more. Neither of these outcomes count as a "pass attempt." I would guess that TT, as a % of pass plays called, would have amongst the highest rates of "no throws." This is may not be a bad thing if it's because of his running talent and being "ball secure." So, as to the OP, I am unconvinced as to the point.
Nice reality check on the whole picture of the passing game.
The Bills actually had about 35 passing plays called per game with Taylor at QB. But just under 3 of those plays per game he was sacked for about 4.6 yards per sack and just over 3 of those plays per game he scrambled for 7.9 yards per scramble.
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You mean that the Bills D was bad? You get no argument from me there.
But some people want to put all the blame on the defense and none on our below average pass game.
I think it's more about balance of blame between the two than pinning it all on one side, though some posters seem to want to do that.
Our defense was record breakingly bad by allowing Ajayi two 200 yard rushing games and Bell another one.
3 losses out of the 5 that really mattered since the last game was a throwaway game.
No excuses for that.
The D was about as close as almost entirely responsible as you can get in the NFL for the Bengals win. Might have caught a break with one of the best WRs getting injured early. And they were good in the Patriots game against a 3rd stringer, other than that, they were decent to below average to horrid.
Yeah, our passing offense needs to get better, but it'd be great to have a D opponents (especially RBs) don't salivate facing.
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We may be a top 5 team at running the football but our QB for some reason can't do play action.
What?
Do you have anything at all to back this up?
I actually think he'd thrive in play action; Roman/Lynn just didn't use it often in their system.
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Scanning available stats, I found many areas where the Bills did well... Rushing stats were phenomenal... Believe it or not, Many of our stats ranged from good to middle of the pack
Except one.
Perhaps the one that kept us out of the playoff's for the seventeenth time in a row.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/pass-attempts-per-game
Yes, the D was miserable... But in order to be competitive this one stat MUST change... Note to our QB's -SPRAY IT, DON'T SAY IT!
Weird logic... so the key to fixing all of our woes is simply passing more?
Does it matter if we're significantly less efficient in the run game?
Or if we turn the ball over significantly more?
Or, for that matter, end up with a defense that gets worse rather than better?
You really believe it's possible that the fact that we didn't pass more was what kept us out of the playoffs... despite the fact that we averaged 1 less pass per game than the #1 seed in the NFC?
Alot of them went into Taylor Savings & Loan... Well, mostly SAVINGS... That's where Tightwad keeps all the wide open guys he didn't hit, and all the plays he left on the field because he was scared to throw.
Yah... guys were hurt... The WR corp. was weak.... Still, there were many opportunities TT let sail by...
This year's schedule offers little in the way of forgiveness for such mistakes.
Bottom line? -Ball's gotta fly in '17. or we CRY in '17... -AGAIN!
I was hoping when reading this OP that it'd be more about offensive philosophy, instead it's just a vastly generalized anTy thread...
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That Cross on your back must be insanely heavy!You are completely wrong and completely in denial about your conduct...as I figured you would be.
And one last piece of advice...worry about your own conduct before you concern yourself with mine. All I really need to do is utter the slightest criticism of Tyrod and you can't help but take it to heart and respond poorly.
If this was a competition, you'd surely crack first...history has already proven such.
Anyways...I'm gonna leave this silly back and forth.
The stage is now yours...
I feel like you block things out from your vision when you read it. I'm not guilt free and never said I was.
I just don't strike first.
You were posting in this thread for several pages. I never once responded to you or mentioned your name. Then you post:
Case and point.The problem is posters like Transplant trying to tell us that he is more than that. He will almost certainly reply and say he's not, but it's easy to see that he is saying it without actually saying it.
My only issue currently is the posters that want to claim Taylor is good, and that he can be the guy. I believe that the Bills don't even see him as that anymore, and are just biding time with a guy who can keep the team afloat and keep fans in the seats...at least for the first half of the season.
You can leave or you can talk about the topic at hand rather than constantly derail it.
Up to you
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Crusher,
I invite you to read what you are posting....perhaps you simply do not realize you are posting derogatory comments?
It's Dr. Jekyll you're talking to right now. Mr Hyde will inevitably be around.
Unfortunately, Dr Jekyll doesn't have a clue about what he does as Mr Hyde...
Want me to go back and quote you calling me sad, pathetic, among other things?
I'll admit I haven't been perfect here in regards to my conduct of late, but it's only because you opened up that can of worms.
Time for you to accept that you have been anything but innocent here and own the conduct you love to cite me for.
I said those things after you had just insulted me.
That's what you always do
I'm not concerned myself.
As I've stated...you can go back and see what I set out to do once I got here...I was very clear that I didn't want to repeat the mistakes from the other board here, and I was on my best behavior during that time.
I came here acting as an adult and looking to keep this board the same way it was before us refugees arrived. Needless to say, it wasn't that way with some others, and things have continued to escalate since.
It'll be very disappointing if anyone loses their ability to post here, but I'm starting to think it may take that in order to get the message across.
Let it be known that I wish to be here, and will continue to keep discussion limited to the topic at hand and will refrain from anything more.
Sweet!!!
Starting when?
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Your childish remarks are cooler.
No one cares about old bbmb beefs let it go, hit the reset button
A bunch of hypocrites calling people names while bitching about name calling
No one cares. You all sound like crusher left y'all at the altar. It sounds like he's trying to make amends from an outsiders perspective but Tyrod fanboys will never let it go.
It's 2017, the bbmb does not exist let the healing begin.
Do you feel left out?
GROUP HUUUUG!!!!!
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A week away from this thread and not even a remotely recent dialogue between the two of us and, without any prompting from me or even a post by me, you go with this.The OP wouldn't even mention this guy if he didn't have it hard for TT...FACT.
One example of how you haven't really changed...You're clinging on to words I used on the old board. I got on here and tried very hard to leave that behind and start fresh. Many posters haven't followed suit and continue to use that former version of me to judge me here...that's unfair when I really did put forth effort to refrain from the insults, name calling, and my overall tone.
Maybe you're the one who's got it hard for someone...
Is that it? Bang and i professed our love, you feel left out?
Oh Crusher, don't worry, I'm not a one man kinda guy
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To me it's not about defense, like I said before their may only be 2 or 3 defenses that can stop the passing attack with the way the rules are right now. It's 80% on the QB's.
If we start out 1-4 do you think we should keep Taylor as the starter if he is struggling after the bye. Im betting on us being 1-4 at the bye.
80% on the QB?
Not a chance.
Someone earlier mentioned making this fun and wagering. Wanna bet the Bills have more than 1 win by the 5th game?
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...LMAO...TBD's Moe, Larry and Curly I presume.......Can I be Larry?
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It's not about TD throws, it's about what he does (and does not do) on those TD throws (which are readily available and easily found samples of his 2016 passes) that completely contradict the central premise of the post I originally responded to from you.Desperate is you rushing defend Taylor at every turn. Starting 19 out of 23 threads on BBMB on Taylor, and then continuing posting strictly Taylor threads here. Even in the Peterman draft thread you had to jump in and insult those who thought he may end up challengin Taylor for his spot.
As for the other stuff you said...it's not even relevant to what I said. You are grasping to these TD throws when I'm not even arguing them. You have tried (desperately) to twist my original point and latch onto this narrative that he does something I thought he didn't, when I never stated anything about his TD passes.
This is a joke at this point discussing this anymore with the majority of posters in this thread. Time to find something else to discuss...this is a complete waste.
8 out of his 10 TD passes under pressure were from the pocket. Even if that ends up a little high, it's a pretty good indication of what he did under pressure in 2016.
Hi, fake tough guy.
You are the funniest one of them all because you clearly can't deal with a poster on a message board.
This I enjoy, and look forward to the torment my future posts are sure to cause you.
Really not a good look...
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So then Transplant and JM2009 shouldn't be taken serious either since they both do the same, but to a higher degree.
I'm held to a higher standard because I don't have high regard for Taylor as a player...simple as that.
Dude, I won't pretend to be innocent, but you pretty clearly like to start $H!+ and use much more vitriol ("clowns and fools," "transplant's got it hard for Taylor," etc) than almost anyone else.
Stop pretending you should be viewed as a martyr
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Lol.
The only one in denial here is you.
Tendencies can't be determined on 17 throws...sorry, bud.
You want to make a point to counter my claims with little to nothing to back it up, and when I direct you on how you can truly make a valid point and legitimately counter my reasoning, you get sensitive and chirp about how you don't "need" to do anything. Ok, you don't need to, but don't come back with some weak response pretending that you actually came back with something worthwhile...that trash you typed up doesn't deserve the time of day.
I've put in more time researching on my own and bringing up facts on this matter than you ever will, so save you're I'm too cool to listen to you BS and come to the table with something substantial or go back to discussing with the puppets and uninformed...you appear to be in the same category lately.
You've put time in for research?
Doubtful.
Crusher, you started a single thread on BBMB that contained some pretty solid research to discuss. I defended you when that thread closed down because I thought it was unfair and ridiculous.
That's the kind of Crusher I hoped to see over here with a brand new fresh start.
Unfortunately, that thread was an outlier for you.
I don't need to go figure out the throws because nothing is going to convince you to acknowledge any level of promise from Taylor in terms of the QB position as you want it played.
You believe that you're somehow showing objectivity when you acknowledge strengths like "a great deep ball" or "elite athleticism" or "a great runner," except you aren't because you choose pretty much inarguably his universal strengths.
But you get those 17 throws to look at (did you even bother going and watching the throws you?) and pretty much acknowledge that he does what you think he doesn't do well on those throws and now need to see the rest of the throws and get numbers for how many were outside of the pocket rather than in the pocket...?
Crusher, you must be desperate.
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It doesn't matter. I only asked him how he thought Tyrod would have done if put in a similar situation as Fitz. You're putting way too much thought into this.
Bang... you and I just had a discussion about what you called something "petty" by me yesterday. Here you're being dismissive of Shaw for pointing something out that actually seems like a natural thought:
You're asking how Taylor would have done with Fitz's WRs, so it sure seems like a point of at least questionable comparison.
I'm really not trying to pick a fight here... and maybe you're just having some Internet fun... but just be wary of the way you point your finger...
I heart you so much
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Crusher -
Do you have any data to back this up? I'm more interested in Taylor data than Fitz data - I'm pretty confident I know that Fitz failed late in games, but I'm not so sure you're correct about Taylor - either about failing or about the reason you think he failed.
Fitz's career passer rating is 80. He was high 80s low 90s only two seasons in his career; most seasons his passer rating was in the low 80s or below. So that means isn't a very effective QB, period. When you look at his splits, you can see he was particularly bad at the end of the game. Career 4th quarter rating - 71, below his career average generally - in other words, he's better in earlier quarters. Tied, or trailing with less than 2 or 4 minutes to play, his passer rating is regularly around 50. 85 in games that are tied, 73 when his team is trailing. So, compared to his own averages, he's played really poorly in the last few minutes of games when his team needed scores.
Taylor is different. He has a career passer rating of 92, which is a really solid number. When you look at his splits, you see that he performs about as well in end-of-game situations as at other times of the game. Fourth quarter rating is 88, a little below his average, but not bad. Tied with less than 4 minutes to go his rating is 149. Trailing, less than 2 or 4 minutes to go, he's around 85. 89 when tied, 90 when trailing. Not great, and maybe not good enough, but unquestionably better than Fitz. Not even the same league.
So unless you have other data, I don't see that there's much comparison between the two. The question, as I intimated, is whether what Taylor has done is good enough. So look at Matt Ryan, someone who probably isn't a hall of famer but definitely is a franchise qb. Passer rating over 93. Career splits: 4th quarter, 85. When tied or losing with less than 4 and 2 minutes to go, passer rating in the 40s and 60s! Tied generally 95, trailing generally 90. So compared to Matt Ryan, Tyrod looks like he's right there.
How about Aaron Rodgers? Career rating 104. Fourth quarter 102. Tied or trailing with 4 or 2 minutes left, 115, 94, 65, 76. 107 tied generally, 99 trailing. So Rodgers performs at the end of games about as he does at other times.
What does it all mean? It means, I think, that we'd certainly want Taylor to be better at the end of games, but he (and at least two inarguably good quarterbacks) perform about as well at the end of games as they do the other 55 minutes. That, in turn, means that Taylor's problem (if he has a problem) is that he isn't good enough generally, not that he isn't good enough at the end of the game.
The problem (which you are sure he has and I am not so sure) is that Taylor can't perform at relatively high levels (passer rating in mid-90s) if he's called on to throw 35 times a game regularly. I think you and I agree that the Bills need a QB who can perform at a high level throwing 35 times a game instead of 25. I really hope we see Taylor in that kind of offense this season, because that will tell us how good Taylor really is.
Stop. What are you saying? That Taylor is better or isn't? Are you saying Taylor throwing to those receivers would have gotten the same results, then why do you think Taylor is better.
The simple fact is that Taylor is unquestionably better than Fitzpatrick. Unquestionably. Taylor's WORST season was better than Fitzy's second BEST season. And Taylor can run. There's no comparison, regardless of receivers.
And, by the way, look at Taylor's receivers last season. Were they actually better than the four you named? Hard to say.
Very. Solid. Post.
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Fitz is more of a gamer compared to Tyrod.
When judging these two I'll use the 300 games of TT vrs Fitz and it isn't even a battle, Tyrod is on the bench wishing for a OT to get that 300 once while Fitz is fighting throwing INTs to get more then 10xs that. Eitherway they both are just not good enough, too bad we couldn't have the two of them cloned into one.
Hooray for 300 yard games as the measure to end all measures!!!
Let's all just hope Taylor doesn't come out with another "We're ready" video the night before our week 1 game against the Jets
The premise of what I'm saying is not wrong when the discussion wasn't about his 17 TD passes. We are talking about the 143 throws that they claimed TT was under pressure on...the TD throws are a small sampling of that.
What you would need in order to claim I'm missing the mark would be to chart all of those throws and give me a number on how many he stood in and completed without using his athleticism.
When you do that and show me an amount that would "encourage" me, then you would be correct saying what you said.
I don't need to do that at all. Nice try, though.
The TD passes and interceptions themselves, for that matter, demonstrate that these numbers are incorporating passes in the pocket as well as outside the pocket from Taylor.
And just from watching his TDs and INTs alone, you can see that Taylor's tendency was actually to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball even with pressure coming.
There were absolutely passes and plays where he evaded pressure and left the pocket and then delivered the ball, like his 2nd TD pass in the Jets game, but then there were those passes where he stood tall in the pocket with a defender (often) barreling directly at him in full sight and he delivered, like his TD pass to Goodwin in the 1st 'Phins game. And you just watch the TDs and INTs he threw and you can see that Taylor had no problems in the pocket in the midst of pressure.
You're just in extreme denial if you're calling for every single pass at this point.
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What happened to you Foxx, you used to root for the team. People are getting a liiiiiiittle too invested in this. A good practice should be a positive thing for all Bills fans, not an excuse to make a dig at a player.
I think Foxx has been having a little fun to some degree taking on this Persona...
I hope at least...
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... "This was a good sign for Taylor, especially considering that the other five workouts weve seen has featured him really playing at an average to below average level" ...
maybe they told the defense to take it down a notch?
These Training Camp discussions are gonna be fun
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And from Joe B, today:doesn't sound like things have changed much during the off season.
gonna be a loooooooonnnnnggggg season....
1) Tyrod Taylor has his sharpest day yet
- Through six workouts that the media has been able to view during the spring offseason sessions, the best day weve seen from starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor was saved for the last day of school, so to speak. Taylor started off slowly with an interception, but after that, he was as sharp as could be. He was hitting his receivers in stride, sensing the pressure of the defense to find the bust in coverage, and firing the ball into his targets. This was a good sign for Taylor, especially considering that the other five workouts weve seen has featured him really playing at an average to below average level and that can be attributed to a number of different things, too. Hes working in a brand new offense, hes working with receivers he hadnt met before a couple of months ago, and a host of other issues, too. Now, he can pocket a great performance on the final day of minicamp and will look to continue that into the start of training camp. For the Bills to be at all competitive this year, theyll need Taylor healthy and to be playing at a similar level to last year at least.
Maybe things have changed, he's just gotta readjust to a new offense, again.
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And six points under league average without pressure.
It figures Tyrod is good under pressure since his elite athleticism can overcome that pressure by escaping it. I've never disputed his ability to get out of the pocket and make throws either, so this was never a criticism of TT from myself anyway.
Yeah, he was absolutely underwhelming without pressure, true.
But the problem with your qualifier in the 2nd paragraph is your assumption that it's his passing out of the pocket that boosts him up... directly from the article:
Tyrod was 64 of 143 (44.7%) for 996 yards (6.96 yards per attempt) with 10 TDs and four INTs while under pressure in 2016.
Now I'm not presuming to figure out every single pass they've recorded, but according to PFF, 10 of his TDs were under pressure.
Now go to YouTube and count how many of his 17 TD passes he left the pocket for. I think you're going to be surprised (dare I even say encouraged?) at the fraction of his TD passes alone he actually left the pocket. If that's any indication of the rest of the throws they counted, the entire premise of what you say here is missing the mark.
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You should write a biography "off the wall"
This is too emo for the wall.
Aww... you want to join for Bocce and beer, too?
Just bring Heineken.
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Back to discussion of the relative topic at hand entitled:
Tyrod Taylor had 7th-best QB rating while under pressure in 2016
And here's Trappasso's conclusion (he's clearly a Tyrod homer
):The combination of these advanced statistics helps to dispel the notion that Tyrod is ineffective in the face of pressure because he morphs into a running back in those situations.
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Thanks! I needed that... I mean my life revolves around these Internet victoriesYou're being overly dramatic and I'm not making it personal.
You're obviously someone who gets off on trying to prove points. If you think I'm being hypocritical then fine. You can have your petty victory.
We're still on for bocce and beers later, right?
One big, dirty, stat.
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Good idea to consider special teams here. I know Thurm mentioned Buffalo's average starting position vs the opponent average field position.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/puntReturnYards/position/defense
Looks like Buffalo's kick return special teams coverage was particularly horrible... 3rd worst in the league
Again... nicely stated.
Special teams has really been let off the hook in a lot of ways.